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Post by Cletus on Jan 26, 2019 13:17:52 GMT -5
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. Job 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. Job 1:3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east. Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
The Holy Ghost wrote The Book. wherebouts it say Job had secret sin? I cant find it. Maybe someone has a verse?
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Post by Cletus on Jan 26, 2019 13:19:01 GMT -5
In fact didnt Jobs friends tell him he had sin and was kinda rubbing salt in his wounds?
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Post by Cletus on Jan 26, 2019 13:29:58 GMT -5
Job's transgression was things he said while under attack. He did not suffer the attack because he feared he might lose what he had. God himself says different.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Job 1:8
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without a cause. Job 2:3
In addition to the fact that God says this twice, before we even get to God's comments to Satan, in Job 1:1 it says...
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
I don't care how many times you repeat the lie that Job suffered because he was in sin, God and scripture are in opposition to you. . If it was not for his ignorant sin against God, then why was Job attacked by Satan.?
Like I said before, Job did not sin against his neighbors or other people = perfect/blameless in this respect = JOB.1:8. He only sinned ignorantly against God(= JOB.1:5 & 3:25) - a sin/evil-deed that was not deserving of the death penalty, as demanded by Satan at JOB.2:3.why are christians attacked today? sometimes when you are doing everything right the enemy comes against you because the enemy wants to get you to turn your heart from God. The spirit of antichrist is attacking the church now. it a war. and we are made in Gods likeness and image. lucifer was the most loved angel who got pride in his heart. he got kicked out and now wants to defeat God. so He will come against the church... what God so loved he gave His only begotten. he wants to steal us away and he knows the only way is to get us to become angry at God and no longer serve God and curse God or deny Him because we dont get our way, but Jesus is the way.... tho He slay me... yet will i trust Him.
just because you sin and give the enemy a foothold dont mean thats the only way to get at you. there is a period of time coming when the enemy will make war on christians. and those who are not in Christ he already has them, He dont need to attack them.
The Book says job was upright and eshewed evil. did God lie?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 15:33:43 GMT -5
An answer comes very simply, that Job was righteous in his own eyes. He was blameless as concerns outward sins, but in his heart there was still some work that needed to be done. Not until he saw the Lord with his own eyes did he repent, when seeing a perfect holy and righteous God made him realize his own righteousness was as filthy rags by comparison. I think this might even have to do with why when we see Jesus as He is, completely unveiled to us, we will be like Him....it will change us in like manner as Job was changed and humbled to the dust. watchful , really, there is no place in the Bible that states that Job was "righteous in his own eyes." It simply says he was upright, without blame, perfect. In Christ and through faith in His shed blood, we're all righteous, without blame, perfect. Job kept himself and his family covered and was faithful to God. He made sacrifices to God to cover for the sins of himself and his family, and he "eschewed evil." It doesn't mean he was born without sin and had never sinned. As in other scriptures, we read that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
What I see in the interactions between Job and God during his afflictions is that there was relationship, and Job responded with humility. God blessed Job afterward with double what he had before, because he came through that test with God's approval. Job repented of something sister...he didn't repent for no reason. Job is set forth as an example to us.....we are washed in the blood and the perfection of Christ imputed to us......yet we still need to go on to perfection. The deep dealings of God in the inward parts. And many are the afflictions of the righteous but the Lord delivers us from them all. Looks to me like Job was perplexed and confused the same as we are when we are going through trials...he couldn't figure out why he was going through so much when he did everything right that he knew of...he was outwardly blameless. However, in spite of that he still didn't curse God or accuse Him of being unjust, but he endured patiently. Job 42:5-6 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 15:36:29 GMT -5
Just want to add...even our fruitful branches get pruned so that they will bear more fruit.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 26, 2019 15:47:54 GMT -5
I’m still waiting for a sentence in the Bible — just one — that tells us Job deserved it. Metaphysical “reading between the lines” isn’t good enough for me when God Himself told us the attack was unwarranted.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 26, 2019 15:57:22 GMT -5
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. — Job 1:8-11
I don’t understand all these mental acrobatics to get around what the Bible says. Why can’t we just believe what it says? God blessed and protected Job because he really was as perfect as they come, and Satan sought to test that Job would crack under pressure.
People try to manuever around this because they don’t want to believe God would expose a servant to such a bad trial. But either the Bible says that, or it doesn’t. I’m not interested in “discerning” explanations that confict with black-and-white evidence.
There’s no plainer I can make this. It’s exhausting. I really am done./
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Post by John on Jan 26, 2019 17:11:03 GMT -5
watchful , really, there is no place in the Bible that states that Job was "righteous in his own eyes." It simply says he was upright, without blame, perfect. In Christ and through faith in His shed blood, we're all righteous, without blame, perfect. Job kept himself and his family covered and was faithful to God. He made sacrifices to God to cover for the sins of himself and his family, and he "eschewed evil." It doesn't mean he was born without sin and had never sinned. As in other scriptures, we read that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
What I see in the interactions between Job and God during his afflictions is that there was relationship, and Job responded with humility. God blessed Job afterward with double what he had before, because he came through that test with God's approval. Job repented of something sister...he didn't repent for no reason. Job is set forth as an example to us.....we are washed in the blood and the perfection of Christ imputed to us......yet we still need to go on to perfection. The deep dealings of God in the inward parts. And many are the afflictions of the righteous but the Lord delivers us from them all. Looks to me like Job was perplexed and confused the same as we are when we are going through trials...he couldn't figure out why he was going through so much when he did everything right that he knew of...he was outwardly blameless. However, in spite of that he still didn't curse God or accuse Him of being unjust, but he endured patiently. Job 42:5-6 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. Nobody is denying that. We are saying that Job did no sin that led to him being attacked by the devil, as that is what the Bible states. His transgressions took place during the temptation.
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Post by John on Jan 26, 2019 17:17:08 GMT -5
I’m still waiting for a sentence in the Bible — just one — that tells us Job deserved it. Metaphysical “reading between the lines” isn’t good enough for me when God Himself told us the attack was unwarranted. The Bible never says Job sinned through fear of losing everything. The Bible never says Job was attacked for secret sins. Job lived before the law of Moses was in effect, so sacrificing for sins his children may have committed was not wrong. It was actually a righteous act. Job's sorrow was over things he said after he was attacked, not before. The Bible states 3 times Job was righteous. God himself said it twice. To deny that is to deny scripture.
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Post by John on Jan 26, 2019 17:25:34 GMT -5
I don't know of anything else that there is to say on this subject that hasn't been stated already. The thread is locked.
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