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Post by John on May 17, 2019 7:56:17 GMT -5
Even aside from issues of adultery or remarriage, it’s important for us to know how the Bible describes a proper marriage. The time-honored vows of “love, honor, and obey” are falling to the wayside. Some couples no longer say “until death do us part” or “as long as we both live” anymore. Vows some people say these days are little more than “I’ll be your faithful friend for a really long time.” If we’re serious about being married before God, we’d best be sure we fully understand the Bible on marriage. Our prayers can be hindered if we’re not careful. I completely agree. The write your own vows movement has been very destructive. Most of the churches had already changed the vows to make them more p.c.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 17, 2019 10:46:04 GMT -5
Some couples no longer say “until death do us part” or “as long as we both live” anymore. "...With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." - Matthew 19:26
"He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." - 1 John 4:8
"For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain,
‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart,
but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says." - Mark 11:23
"bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails..." - 1 Corinthians 13:7-8
"Let all that you do be done with love." - 1 Corinthians 16:14
"...And whatever he does shall prosper." - Psalm 1:3
Blessings in Jesus' name!
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 17, 2019 11:01:41 GMT -5
I don't accept homosexual marriages as legitimate, license or no license.
The all inclusive world already does:
And guess what?! They are NOT ashamed.
"Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination?
No! They were not at all ashamed..." - Jeremiah 6:15
"...Therefore they shall fall among those who fall;
At the time I punish them, They shall be cast down, says the Lord." - Jeremiah 6:15
"Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord..." - Acts 3:19
"...for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God,
slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, One who relents from doing harm." - Jonah 4:2
"Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?”
says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?" - Ezekiel 18:23
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Post by Dezi on May 17, 2019 11:06:25 GMT -5
I am divorced... have been for 8 years. I married a man that had committed adultery on his first wife... multiple times. Then we were married and divorced. I didn't understand the ramifications of God's word during my marriage. We had a bad marriage and then I ended it. I now understand God's Word. An I forgiven of divorce now to remarry? Or am I bound by that marriage til death?
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 17, 2019 11:20:50 GMT -5
I am divorced... have been for 8 years. "Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed.
Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." - 1 Corinthians 7:27
Replace to husband in your case.An I forgiven of divorce now to remarry? Or am I bound by that marriage til death? I do not know about your life.
Do you want a new marriage?! If yes, I will recommend you seek the answer from God.
"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God..." - Romans 8:28
"But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you." - Matthew 6:33
If you want a new marriage and God allows you to, you will find someone.
"But I say to the unmarried and to the widows:
It is good for them if they remain even as I am..." - 1 Corinthians 7:8
Otherwise, you will discover that it is better for you to remain single.
"For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." - Matthew 11:30
And do not be anxious about it. It is very important, focus on God.
"But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness..." - Matthew 6:33
Blessings!
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Post by Dezi on May 17, 2019 11:24:17 GMT -5
This is a video that I found helpful when trying to figure out divorce issues. I would love to hear your opinions for anyone that would like to listen... it's not very long.
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Post by John on May 17, 2019 11:28:10 GMT -5
I am divorced... have been for 8 years. I married a man that had committed adultery on his first wife... multiple times. Then we were married and divorced. I didn't understand the ramifications of God's word during my marriage. We had a bad marriage and then I ended it. I now understand God's Word. An I forgiven of divorce now to remarry? Or am I bound by that marriage til death? Unless your divorce was because he cheated on you, you are still bound to him. Did he re-marry?
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Post by John on May 17, 2019 11:30:21 GMT -5
This is a video that I found helpful when trying to figure out divorce issues. I would love to hear your opinions for anyone that would like to listen... it's not very long. I will check it out.
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Post by John on May 17, 2019 11:58:03 GMT -5
This is a video that I found helpful when trying to figure out divorce issues. I would love to hear your opinions for anyone that would like to listen... it's not very long. I will check it out.
I hold to what he calls theory 2. To me, that is what Jesus says. He calls all 3 of these positions theories, so he clearly isn't sure in his mind, but Jesus was addressing divorce and re-marriage, not separation and re-marriage, so I believe option 2 is correct.
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Post by Dezi on May 17, 2019 12:38:47 GMT -5
I am divorced... have been for 8 years. I married a man that had committed adultery on his first wife... multiple times. Then we were married and divorced. I didn't understand the ramifications of God's word during my marriage. We had a bad marriage and then I ended it. I now understand God's Word. An I forgiven of divorce now to remarry? Or am I bound by that marriage til death? Unless your divorce was because he cheated on you, you are still bound to him. Did he re-marry?
No he did not cheat on me but he did his first wife. So, wasn't he really not supposed to marry me to begin with? He is now remarried yes.
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Post by joseph on May 17, 2019 13:03:38 GMT -5
I am divorced... have been for 8 years. I married a man that had committed adultery on his first wife... multiple times. Then we were married and divorced. I didn't understand the ramifications of God's word during my marriage. We had a bad marriage and then I ended it. I now understand God's Word. An I forgiven of divorce now to remarry? Or am I bound by that marriage til death? You might be forgiven. Did you repent ? If so, the Father forgives you. Being forgiven, then do you want to sin again ? (get married again) All the books and videos and sermons seem to be seeking ways to put man's word over God's Word, just like the ones opposed to Jesus did in Scripture, and today.
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Post by joseph on May 17, 2019 13:05:39 GMT -5
No he did not cheat on me but he did his first wife. So, wasn't he really not supposed to marry me to begin with? He is now remarried yes. In the world, and in most (fallen) churches, he could marry, divorce, remarry, ad-infinitum, always being an abomination, unrepentant, unforgiven. As it stands now, (from the post(s)) , he is unrepentant and unforgiven and causing you and others to fall (to sin).
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Post by Dezi on May 17, 2019 13:18:13 GMT -5
No he did not cheat on me but he did his first wife. So, wasn't he really not supposed to marry me to begin with? He is now remarried yes. In the world, and in most (fallen) churches, he could marry, divorce, remarry, ad-infinitum, always being an abomination, unrepentant, unforgiven. As it stands now, (from the post(s)) , he is unrepentant and unforgiven and causing you and others to fall (to sin). If he asked for forgiveness... he was not forgiven too?
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Post by Dezi on May 17, 2019 13:33:28 GMT -5
I've been studying this subject for a few years since coming back to God. The whole subject has not made sense to me either until I listened to this man and his theory 3. When I truly study it out this is what makes most sense to me.
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Post by John on May 17, 2019 14:43:47 GMT -5
I've been studying this subject for a few years since coming back to God. The whole subject has not made sense to me either until I listened to this man and his theory 3. When I truly study it out this is what makes most sense to me. Your ex-husband's first marriage ended in divorce because of adultery, so he was able to marry you. It was for the cause of fornication. Biblically, you were not supposed to have divorced him because your marriage was bad. That was not Biblical grounds. You didn't know that at the time. You weren't aware your actions were wrong, but according to what Jesus teaches, that action led to him re-marrying, and thus falling into adultery.
Here is where it gets complicated. There are many different opinions of your situation and what is right and wrong. Let's take a look at what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount. He wasn't being asked about divorce here. He was preaching a sermon.
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Matthew 5:31-32
According to theory 3, the issue was no bill of divorcement. Since the person was still legally married, to marry another would be adultery, but Jesus says "whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." How can this be if theory 3 is right about the bill of divorcement? She has been given a divorce. In addition to what Jesus says, we also have this from Paul. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
So, going by this, you chose to depart from your husband, even though the Bible says not to. If you did go against what the Bible says, you are to remain unmarried or be reconciled to your husband. You can't be reconciled to your husband because he re-married, so the Bible says to remain unmarried.
Again, here is where it is complicated. This is all simple when we follow the Bible to begin with, but when we don't, then we have to deal with where we are now. The only sure counsel I can give you in full assurance from the Bible is to remain unmarried. I know you are not doing anything wrong if you remain single. There are all these things that people speculate on that I can't answer with 100 percent certainty. I am reluctant to speak them, because I am not saying any are right, but if I do not, you will hear them from others.
1. There is the question of whether or not you were freed up to re-marry when your ex-husband got married again, as he committed adultery in the sight of God. He also closed any door to reconciliation although he likely figured it was not an option and moved on.
2. There is the question of whether or not you were a Christian when you were in that marriage? If not, there is the school of thought that when you got saved, whatever you did, including a marriage and divorce was forgiven, so you would be free to re-marry. You didn't say you weren't saved at the time, so I don't know if that applies.
The thing is, even if that marriage was wrong because your ex-husband cheated on his first wife, it wouldn't matter. You were married, and he didn't cheat on you. Your divorce was just because you weren't happy in the marriage. So what you have here is one clear way to go where you know beyond any doubt you are not sinning, remain single, and you have other options that you would probably like to believe that may or may not be true. I wish that I could walk up to Jesus and tell him the specific situation, and ask him what is acceptable in his sight, but all I have to go by is what is recorded in the Bible.
One thing you need to consider is that the man in the video isn't sure. He is even asking for opinions. He had to remove one video and post a re-do based on more study, but he calls all three opinions theories, meaning he isn't sure. Do you want to take a chance? I am not going to condemn you one way or the other, but as a minister and servant of God, all I can do is tell you what I know is okay, and if you choose to go outside of that to things that are less certain, that is between you and the Lord. Being alone is not fun, but having a guilty conscience with no idea what to do now is worse. Once you are entered into a new marriage, it is till death do you part in the eyes of God. Be real careful. I say that more for your good than because of how others will look at you, though some will be condemning and see you as in a permanent state of adultery.
That being said, here is one more question I can't answer for sure. If a person is divorced and re-married for reasons other than fornication, are they in a permanent state of adultery while in that marriage, or is there any hope that they can repent, make things right with God, dedicate that marriage to the Lord, and continue forward as a couple? Some believe God will allow that, and others do not. Why? Because the Bible doesn't come out and say, because God wants us to obey what he said in the first place. I really feel for you, because I know you didn't understand all this 8 years ago. Maybe if you did, you would have still remained married to your now ex-husband? But that is the past. We have to deal with the present. The only sure thing I can tell you based on scripture is that if you remain single, you are fine. If you re-marry, I can't guarantee it is okay with God. And like I said, I am not going to condemn you either way, but it is not my approval you need to worry about. Jesus is our judge. We need to live to please him. I wish I could tell you what you want to hear, but I can only go as far as the Bible allows, and the church is completely divided over this issue.
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