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Post by Giller on May 24, 2019 10:26:39 GMT -5
And in Britain they seem to use the word revelling, as one of there every day words.
For I seen in a type of true crime seen stuff, how certain people were checking webcams throughout the city, and if they saw a crime happening they would contact the cops, and they had seen many on the streets drunk, and partying, and they called them revelers.
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Post by John on May 24, 2019 10:37:46 GMT -5
You can say that another way of the heathen would be adopting the ways of this world in Christian music. There is a spirit in this world which is the spirit of this world, and there is a spirit behind music. God wants our music to be pure, honest, truthful, were we are reverencing him, and we do not bring into it, a worldly party atmosphere. One of the works of the flesh is revelling. (Strong's concordance) (G2970 κῶμος kōmos ko'-mos From G2749; a carousal ( as if a letting loose): - revelling, rioting. Total KJV occurrences: 3)
What you just said made me remember turning on TBN one day, and seeing part of a service at Rod Parsley's church in Ohio. They were playing "Celebration" by Kool And The Gang over the speakers, while everyone had on party hats and were blowing into those noise makers they often use at birthday parties and were dancing and carrying on in the pews. Is there something inherently sinful about that song? Not necessarily, but was that appropriate in a church service? I don't see how it could be.
Someone recently had a YouTube video that showed them singing "Highway To Hell" in a church. It seems that the Pastor was listening to that song while working out before church, and somehow decided to incorporate it into the church service. I have seen a lot of stuff over the years. I have seen people take a secular songs, and "Christianize" it, but they didn't even bother to do that. They didn't change the words to "Highway To Heaven," or something like that. I have no idea what they were thinking, not only the Pastor, but the people in the church that were singing it.
Back to work out sessions, I have seen where a southern gospel artist did a work out video to southern gospel music a long time ago. I wouldn't imagine there would be an issue with the style of music there, but then you wonder about whether it is irreverent working out to Christian songs? There are so many questions to consider when it comes to things like this, but in any case, we are incorporating worldly things into the church, so I think that what you are saying does fit in with this topic about learning the ways of the heathen.
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Post by Giller on May 24, 2019 11:21:56 GMT -5
Well if we go strait with what the bible says, this is what is encouraged:
Eph 5:19
(19) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Col 3:16
(16) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
And the bible says to do all to the glory of God.
Now of course their are learning songs which are fine such as the ABC song, to were you learn the alphabet, but generally speaking, that is what the bible encourages to sing, is spiritual songs, hymns, and psalms, so if that is what God encourages, then that is what I will encourage.
There truly is a spirit behind worldly music, in one form or another, and some types of music have a greater effect towards a certain type of way than others.
Some get you depressed, some get you into a wild party atmosphere, some get people into an all out rebellious type of spirit such as this head banging heavy metal, and so on.
Now the worship that God wants, is not for the purpose of entertainment, but rather for the purpose of adoring God, and yes also to get into a joyous jubilant state, of rejoicing.
It is to come out of a heart of purity, and it will flow the way that it will flow, but always within the boundaries of humbleness, humility, adoration, and even praise towards God.
It may sound a bit like say country, or soft rock, but it won't be the same spirit as country and rock and roll, it will come out of a spirit that is set apart.
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Post by Giller on May 24, 2019 11:33:47 GMT -5
In some cases, it may take a bit of time to discern certain things regarding the way things are done in music, which i especially mean in Christian circles here.
And generally speaking you can know if it is genuine or not, my friend Russell which is now passed away, sounds countryish when he would worship the Lord, which is totally fine, for the way you play is the way you play, but you could feel a difference between his music and worldly country music, and the difference is the anointing.
And also the heart it is coming out of.
See we are not to seek to replicate the music of the world, that is not the way or the goal at all, the goal is to be a person that is set apart unto the Lord, and the way you play is the way you play, but in the way you play, especially unto the Lord, it should reflect, something that is of the Lord, it should draw people towards worship to the Lord, it should produce things of the Lord, otherwise it is another spirit.
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Post by Giller on May 24, 2019 11:45:54 GMT -5
Some people think that it is only the words that matter, but that is not so, it is indeed the way instruments are played as well that matters.
Here is an interesting scripture to ponder upon:
1Sa 16:14-23
(14) But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
(15) And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
(16) Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.
(17) And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me.
(18) Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him.
(19) Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep.
(20) And Jesse took an ass laden with bread, and a bottle of wine, and a kid, and sent them by David his son unto Saul.
(21) And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer.
(22) And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight.
(23) And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
See there is no evidence of David, singing at all here, yet just by the playing of his harp, the spirit left, so it does matter how you play your instrument, and through what spirit, and not just the words.
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Post by Giller on May 24, 2019 12:07:35 GMT -5
I think that this not learning the ways of the heathen, goes a lot deeper than we think.
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Post by John on May 24, 2019 12:50:30 GMT -5
I think that this not learning the ways of the heathen, goes a lot deeper than we think.
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Post by joseph on May 24, 2019 13:14:40 GMT -5
Yahuweh SCOURGES those who are His children. It is not comfortable, nor do many people ever realize it (because they are not His children; He does not scourge those who are not His children.).
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…7But reject irreverent and silly myths. Instead, train yourself for godliness. 8For physical exercise is of limited value, but godliness is valuable in every way, holding promise for the present life and for the one to come. 9This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance.…
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Job 36:11
If they obey and serve Him, they will end their days in prosperity and their years in happiness.
Psalm 37:9
For the evildoers will be cut off, but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.
Psalm 37:11
But the meek will inherit the land and delight in abundant prosperity.
Proverbs 19:23
The fear of the LORD leads to life, that one may rest content, without visitation from harm.
Proverbs 22:4
The rewards of humility and the fear of the LORD are wealth and honor and life.
Matthew 6:33
But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.
Matthew 12:32
Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.
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Post by solid on May 25, 2019 9:40:09 GMT -5
You can say that another way of the heathen would be adopting the ways of this world in Christian music. There is a spirit in this world which is the spirit of this world, and there is a spirit behind music. God wants our music to be pure, honest, truthful, were we are reverencing him, and we do not bring into it, a worldly party atmosphere. One of the works of the flesh is revelling. (Strong's concordance) (G2970 κῶμος kōmos ko'-mos From G2749; a carousal ( as if a letting loose): - revelling, rioting. Total KJV occurrences: 3)
What you just said made me remember turning on TBN one day, and seeing part of a service at Rod Parsley's church in Ohio. They were playing "Celebration" by Kool And The Gang over the speakers, while everyone had on party hats and were blowing into those noise makers they often use at birthday parties and were dancing and carrying on in the pews. Is there something inherently sinful about that song? Not necessarily, but was that appropriate in a church service? I don't see how it could be.
Someone recently had a YouTube video that showed them singing "Highway To Hell" in a church. It seems that the Pastor was listening to that song while working out before church, and somehow decided to incorporate it into the church service. I have seen a lot of stuff over the years. I have seen people take a secular songs, and "Christianize" it, but they didn't even bother to do that. They didn't change the words to "Highway To Heaven," or something like that. I have no idea what they were thinking, not only the Pastor, but the people in the church that were singing it.
Back to work out sessions, I have seen where a southern gospel artist did a work out video to southern gospel music a long time ago. I wouldn't imagine there would be an issue with the style of music there, but then you wonder about whether it is irreverent working out to Christian songs? There are so many questions to consider when it comes to things like this, but in any case, we are incorporating worldly things into the church, so I think that what you are saying does fit in with this topic about learning the ways of the heathen.
How do you fit a song with a title like Highway To Hell in a church service? Were they using it to say they used to be on the road to hell but now they are saved? |
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Post by Giller on May 25, 2019 14:14:59 GMT -5
I hope people know what I am saying in regards that people play the way they play, I do not mean that any which way you seek to play an instrument, is acceptable, which an example of what I mean is in the way were you are playing an instrument in a rash, harsh way, such as heavy metallists.
So what i mean by people playing the way they play is in a naturally speaking kind of way, for people tend to play instruments differently, you can have 3 pianists, and 3 guitar players, and all may play totally differently.
And of course in true worship, the fruit of the Spirit would tend to follow.
And I am not for all this hip hop, rap stuff, rock and roll and so on, but there are times were true Christian music may sound a bit like country, or soft rock, but is not of the same spirit as rock and roll and country music.
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Post by Giller on May 25, 2019 14:30:44 GMT -5
Here is an article, that in this case, is not a good article, it shows a type of desensitization, and a type of just letting loose, not being careful. It has to do with Zumba, here it is: www.rebekahsimonpeter.com/leadership-moves/I do not bear witness with what this lady says here. I do truly believe in dancing before the Lord, but in a humble manner, to were it reflects Christ, and not the world or it's ways. |
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Post by Cletus on May 25, 2019 18:02:14 GMT -5
You can say that another way of the heathen would be adopting the ways of this world in Christian music. There is a spirit in this world which is the spirit of this world, and there is a spirit behind music. God wants our music to be pure, honest, truthful, were we are reverencing him, and we do not bring into it, a worldly party atmosphere. One of the works of the flesh is revelling. (Strong's concordance) (G2970 κῶμος kōmos ko'-mos From G2749; a carousal ( as if a letting loose): - revelling, rioting. Total KJV occurrences: 3) have you considered this spirit, small s? before lucifer fell he was a uhm, kinda like a worship director. music just kinda emanated from his being in heaven. it only makes sense his people are in the entertainment industry. it only makes sense the cities where entertainment comes from is a cesspool of spiritual wickedness. he had a "seat of authority" in pergamos in revelation it tells us about that. the princes of persia even, in daniel 10. Micheal had to come fight.
but soon enough, they will be dethroned. the meek shall inherit the earth. we win. we... win.
Psa 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
Psa 37:8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
Psa 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
Psa 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
Psa 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psa 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
Psa 37:13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
Psa 37:14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
Psa 37:15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
Psa 37:16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
Psa 37:17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
Psa 37:18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
Psa 37:19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
Psa 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
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Post by Giller on May 25, 2019 18:42:10 GMT -5
You can say that another way of the heathen would be adopting the ways of this world in Christian music. There is a spirit in this world which is the spirit of this world, and there is a spirit behind music. God wants our music to be pure, honest, truthful, were we are reverencing him, and we do not bring into it, a worldly party atmosphere. One of the works of the flesh is revelling. (Strong's concordance) (G2970 κῶμος kōmos ko'-mos From G2749; a carousal ( as if a letting loose): - revelling, rioting. Total KJV occurrences: 3) have you considered this spirit, small s? before lucifer fell he was a uhm, kinda like a worship director. music just kinda emanated from his being in heaven. it only makes sense his people are in the entertainment industry. it only makes sense the cities where entertainment comes from is a cesspool of spiritual wickedness. he had a "seat of authority" in pergamos in revelation it tells us about that. the princes of persia even, in daniel 10. Micheal had to come fight.
but soon enough, they will be dethroned. the meek shall inherit the earth. we win. we... win.
Psa 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
Psa 37:8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
Psa 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
Psa 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
Psa 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psa 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
Psa 37:13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
Psa 37:14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
Psa 37:15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
Psa 37:16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
Psa 37:17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
Psa 37:18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
Psa 37:19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
Psa 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
yes I have, I have read many things that is similar to what you are saying about Lucifer, and I agree with you. |
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Post by Giller on May 26, 2019 14:30:27 GMT -5
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Post by John on May 26, 2019 15:40:35 GMT -5
I would think that anyone, even those who are desensitized, should see the wrong in pole dancing. It is like what they call dirty dancing, as was featured in that old movie. Obviously, sensual dancing like that is clearly wrong. In this case, it just looked like a bunch of jumping up and down and dancing, as a work out, to me. I am not saying it is right. I know that many people are filled with lust today, with all the pornography out there, and the easy access to it, so even a work out video can cause them to lust. We must be extra careful for their sakes, and I would think that with this in mind, keeping work outs in a group of all women and all men is a good idea.
Here is where we need to consider the spiritual side of it, the music itself. Is the music sinful? It is demonically inspired? I have heard ministers teach the same thing Cletus was talking about, how Lucifer was a worship leader in heaven, and when he fell, he inspired much of the secular music of this day. The idea is that all music was created to praise and worship God, not just for entertainment. That is something that should not be dismissed. As a matter of fact, it would make for an interesting topic in and of itself, if there is sufficient scripture to provide adequate evidence to make a case for this.
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