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Post by frienduff on Jul 9, 2019 14:07:08 GMT -5
Both sides OSAS and NON OSAS can say JESUS IS LORD and they believe in HIM and what HE DID for us is all we need .
BUT it wont matter a lick IF WE DONT LOVE HIM . IF we DONT LOVE HIM we gonna burn in hell . HELL .
SO how does a man truly know that he LOVE THE REAL JESUS . HE LOVES THOSE SAYINGS , HE HEARS AND HE DOES . HE don't omit , he don't twist
he don't speak contrary to Christ nor the approach Christ had towards sin and error .
the APOSTELS by grace , LOVED HIM and it was seen . THEY even shook the dust off their feet when folks RECIEVED HIM NOT . THEY DID EVERYTHING JESUS HAD SAID TO DO .
WE Better LEARN JESUS man . WE BETTER LEARN HIM WELL and what the Apostels taught and their approach very well .
Because I can say ALL DAY LONG , I KNOW JESUS DIED FOR MY SINS , I KNOW HE IS ALL I NEED For SALVATION . BUT IF I DONT LOVE HIM , ITS A LAKE OF FIRE FOR ME .
A LAKDE OF FIRE . HE who LOVES ME KEEPS MY SAYINGS . HE WHO LOVES ME KEEPS MY SAYINGS . HE WHO LOVES ME KEEPS MY SAYINGS .
IF a man loves me not , HE keeps NOT MY SAYINGS . IF a man is a hearer and a doer , HE BUILT HIS HOUSE ON JESUS THE STONE , HE LOVED HIM .
But if a man hears and does not , he HATED JESUS , HE IS DECIEVED and he will burn in a lake of fire , no matter how many times he called HIM LORD LORD .
THIS IS SIMPLE TRUTH man . WE better each and every one of us , MAKE THAT CALLING and ELECTION SURE , for if you do these things you shall NEVER FALL .
MAKE SURE ITS JESUS WE FOLLWOING . BETTER make sure ITS JESUS WE LOVE . Have a blessed day now .
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Post by John on Jul 10, 2019 8:39:32 GMT -5
BB and those he promotes are false teachers. Faith plus nothing is a lie! It does not agree with scripture. Paul never said that. Jesus never said that. None of the other Apostles ever said that. It is a lie! I seriously doubt that anyone teaching that really knows the Lord. They may claim they do, but I stand in doubt of them, if for no other reason than they are teaching people things contrary to sound doctrine, that if practiced, will send them to hell. God will not overlook the damage people like BB are doing. They will have to give account for the souls that are eternally damned because they believed their lies, and didn't bother to repent. Keep sounding the warnings. Someone may be listening.
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Post by Giller on Jul 10, 2019 8:45:55 GMT -5
If works do not follow faith, than it is not true faith.
Faith produces something and not nothing.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 10, 2019 13:33:33 GMT -5
Giller , I don't care what the pope of ROME says about ya , You know I loves ya . You too butero . Put those hands up and praise the LORD . I am wiped out exhausted today . I think a bit of a cold front may have come in , the high is only one hundred and Two . not like yesterdays one hundred and five . But , don't expect me to break out the coat and boots JUST YET . ITS STILL HOT .
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Post by John on Jul 12, 2019 5:46:18 GMT -5
If works do not follow faith, than it is not true faith. Faith produces something and not nothing. That is the key to understand how faith plus works go hand in hand.
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Post by Giller on Jul 12, 2019 9:06:04 GMT -5
It seems to me that BB (Bloodbought) seems to be saying that faith does not need works.
Yet James shows that works should follow faith.
Jas 2:17-18 (17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. (18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
True faith is not resultless, but brings in results, brings in a change.
But also in saying that, just because someone does have works, also does not necessarily mean they have faith, the thing is, is that the works done must result from a relationship with God, and not works outside of Christ.
And of course the bible says also this:
Eph 2:8-9 (8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Works do not save us, but if you are truly saved, it will produce something in you, in one form or another, and there will be a changed life, which in turn will produce works.
God wants to produce his fruit in us, and from the fruit of the Spirit, it will result in proper works in Christ.
Works without merits, works to were we have been conformed to the image of Christ, and we are allowing Christ to live through us.
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Post by Giller on Jul 12, 2019 19:29:15 GMT -5
We always need more of Jesus, and less of us.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 13, 2019 7:05:42 GMT -5
We always need more of Jesus, and less of us. That's right giller , hands up and praise the LORD .
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Post by Dezi on Jul 13, 2019 7:13:51 GMT -5
when the Bible speaks of works... does it mean the works of the Spirit...like Love, patience, etc...?
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Post by justinadams on Jul 13, 2019 7:20:27 GMT -5
when the Bible speaks of works... does it mean the works of the Spirit...like Love, patience, etc...? That is a good question. This is how I see it. We are spirit beings with a body attached. Our soul is WHO we are. When I wish to pick up something, my spirit directs me and my body (arm/hand) complies. When we have the Holy Spirit to direct our thoughts, we might somehow suddenly think of something we can do for another. Or we get a 'feeling' that this and such need to be done. Most good works are from a heart attuned to God. So whatever we do can be thought of as 'works'. Not for the sake of the works but because we believe we have been thus directed. All that we actually do physically ought to be a work in line with the Spirit's guidance. Nothing is too small for God.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 13, 2019 8:11:12 GMT -5
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? — James 2:21-25
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable...
By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment. By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. — Hebrews 11:7-12, 23-30
Faith compels us to obey God’s command when we see no physical reason to do it.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 13, 2019 8:30:34 GMT -5
Dezi what you’re asking about is the fruit of the Spirit. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. — Galatians 5:22-26When we align ourselves to ‘work’ in accordance with Christ, our behavior begins to perpetuate more love, peace, and goodness in ourselves and others. This is the ‘harvest’ Christ wants to produce in us. Fruitful vines are Christians who get these results in their lives. I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. — John 15:1-2As James tells us, the only way to effectually show this is to work toward it... What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? — James 2:14-16So by faith we obey what Christ would have us do, we remove envy and malice from our hearts, we conduct ourselves in righteous living, and God is glorified in front of our neighbors. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. — Matthew 5:16
And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing. — 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12This is so fundamental to the New Testament that it boggles the mind on where ‘faith plus nothing’ came from.
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Post by Giller on Jul 13, 2019 8:32:00 GMT -5
when the Bible speaks of works... does it mean the works of the Spirit...like Love, patience, etc...? Put it this way, if God's fruit of love is being produced in someone, it will compel you to, say share the gospel with someone, clothe the naked and so on.
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Post by Giller on Jul 13, 2019 8:40:03 GMT -5
And concerning the saying, faith plus nothing, it depends on how this saying is used.
If someone is using this saying so to say that works must follow faith, then that is correct.
As it shows in many of the scriptures PG4Him mentioned from the book of James.
But if someone is using the saying of faith plus nothing so to say that works saves you, then that is not true, for the bible says this:
Eph 2:8-9 (8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Tit 3:5 (5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
True justifying faith, will produce works, and will bring a change, if faith is not bringing in a change, then there is not much to that faith.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 13, 2019 8:47:00 GMT -5
Humans can do good deeds from the goodness of their heart and not be acting in accordance with God’s will. Just as parents can ruin a child’s dinner by letting them eat candy all afternoon, good intentions can go astray. Just because someone is nice doesn’t mean they’re right. Look at parents who work 60 hours a week to get the money to send their children to expensive schools, thinking it will benefit the children, while the children are falling apart. Only the Lord can show us what it really the right thing to do.
It isn’t okay to do long-term damage in people’s lives, then stand before God and say you were doing good work the best you knew how. Those works won’t help us.
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