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Post by John on Aug 8, 2019 11:43:17 GMT -5
I want to thank Candance for the link to that John Bunyan message. I have read a couple of his allegories, but never heard any of his sermons. I listened to the one she posted a link to, plus one about praying in the Spirit. If all of his messages are like these, I highly recommend him. I would love to have met him, and I look forward to doing so in heaven.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 8, 2019 11:53:24 GMT -5
I consider myself a modern-day Puritan.
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Post by John on Aug 8, 2019 12:04:56 GMT -5
I consider myself a modern-day Puritan. His is some of the most sound, no compromise preaching, I have ever heard.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 8, 2019 12:17:26 GMT -5
They were misconstrued as legalists. When you actually listen, they teach on living in the spirit to overcome both flesh and law. I’m a little surprised you haven’t studied them much.
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Post by John on Aug 8, 2019 12:24:39 GMT -5
They were misconstrued as legalists. When you actually listen, they teach on living in the spirit to overcome both flesh and law. I’m a little surprised you haven’t studied them much. I have heard of puritans and associated them with holiness doctrine, but never really looked into their history or writings. With all the false everyone is a legalist mess being pushed today, I plan to seek out more puritan messages.
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Post by 777 on Aug 8, 2019 22:05:44 GMT -5
I consider myself a modern-day Puritan. His is some of the most sound, no compromise preaching, I have ever heard.
The only thing I ever read by him was "Pilgrim's Progress," and that was a long time ago. I didn't know any of his sermons were in print. I need to look into that.
By the way, are there still puritans today? Do they exist under a different name?
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Post by John on Aug 9, 2019 4:51:47 GMT -5
His is some of the most sound, no compromise preaching, I have ever heard.
The only thing I ever read by him was "Pilgrim's Progress," and that was a long time ago. I didn't know any of his sermons were in print. I need to look into that.
By the way, are there still puritans today? Do they exist under a different name? PG4Him gave us a link to a John Bunyan message. That was the first time I had heard one of his sermons. I have read "Pilgrim's Progress" at least 4 times. Next to the Bible, it is probably my favorite book. Now that I have seen what a good preacher John Bunyan is, I may go back and re-read it again, taking extra care to look at his reference notes. I usually just read it, but he gives references throughout concerning what the different things in the story refer back to in the Bible.
As far as Puritans go, I looked into that yesterday, and I am not aware of any denomination that is called Puritan. I did read where there are some groups that trace their origins to the Puritans. One that comes to mind is Congregationalists, but I don't know if any of these groups have held to their Puritan heritage? At one time, Methodists were very strict, but look at them today! Even if there are not any, it appears that there are many writings by Puritan teachers still around. I hope to read more of them. Maybe PG4Him knows if there are still Puritans today? I am still learning about them, and she seems to know more about their history and what all they are about than I do.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 9, 2019 9:01:17 GMT -5
Puritanism was an idea that appealed to many doctrinal camps. Calvinists, Anabaptists, you name it. They were not trying to create another denomination, but a movement within the Protestant world. It was based on the idea of holding “purely” to the New Testament. Don’t let Rome, government, modern economics, or anything else create a church model that deviated from the apostles. Whatever your doctrinal persuasion was, if you believed it because you truly thought the apostles taught it, you could be a Puritan.
Over the years, some powerful men rose to influence in the movement, and they destroyed it. Books like The Scarlet Letter — required reading in public school — have since been diligent to steer young Americans away from it.
Basically, if you believe in Sola Scriptura, the early church model, sticking with the apostles, and joining an invisible, spiritual body, you can call yourself a Puritan.
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Post by John on Aug 9, 2019 11:51:32 GMT -5
Basically, if you believe in Sola Scriptura, the early church model, sticking with the apostles, and joining an invisible, spiritual body, you can call yourself a Puritan. This is exactly what I believe in! Everything I have been promoting is that the Bible that we have in our possession, the Authorized King James Version, is God's Word and full trustworthy. It is not just the opinions of men. I am saying we need to seek to learn how the original Apostles did things, return to following the order for the home and the church that they promoted, even when it is contrary to our culture. I do believe in being part of an invisible, spiritual body. Those who are born again Christians are part of the body, and are citizens of the Kingdom of God. Our first allegiance should be to the Kingdom of God, even over the nation we are citizens of on this earth. To me, it is a return to Biblical order. I never associated it with Puritanism.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 9, 2019 11:58:14 GMT -5
They felt like the reformation didn’t go far enough. Too much mimicking of the Catholic church in the buildings, the services, special privileges for the clergy, etc. They were at odds with King James because they said he compromised with Catholics too much.
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Post by John on Aug 9, 2019 12:00:15 GMT -5
By the way, it is a revival of Puritanism that will usher in any true revival, not this counterfeit attempt to unite all religions, or even all Christian sects together, and COEXIST. We have to return to the Bible way of doing things. We have to get rid of this demon inspired notion that much of the New Testament was influenced by the culture, and therefore we can ignore it. We need to get away from this idea we know better than the early church leaders did, and have "evolved" to a higher place than they did, because every time someone says that, they are really saying they have evolved beyond God. It is His Word. To come out and say the culture impacted the writing or that we have grown to a better place or a more just place is to deny that the Bible is the Word of God. It disgusts me that anyone would accuse me of not believing in the inerrancy of scripture and that the Bible is God's Word while they themselves do not believe we have to fully follow it because they claim the writers had prejudices, or where sexists and homophobes. The Lord knows who really believes the Bible is His Word rather than just a book with good ideas we can take or leave.
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Post by John on Aug 9, 2019 12:03:15 GMT -5
They felt like the reformation didn’t go far enough. Too much mimicking of the Catholic church in the buildings, the services, special privileges for the clergy, etc. They were at odds with King James because they said he compromised with Catholics too much. That goes back to a mistake that is easy to make. We tend to copy what we know. I made that same mistake many years back when I attempted to start an independent church, and used a church manual as a guide. I didn't copy it word for word, but did what most do that come out of one church to start another. I tried to fix the errors. If we want to do things right, we have to go back to the Bible, see how the early church did things, and go back to that. Forget about what the church has done since, because they have moved far away from the Biblical pattern.
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Post by 777 on Aug 11, 2019 21:39:01 GMT -5
By the way, it is a revival of Puritanism that will usher in any true revival, not this counterfeit attempt to unite all religions, or even all Christian sects together, and COEXIST. We have to return to the Bible way of doing things. We have to get rid of this demon inspired notion that much of the New Testament was influenced by the culture, and therefore we can ignore it. We need to get away from this idea we know better than the early church leaders did, and have "evolved" to a higher place than they did, because every time someone says that, they are really saying they have evolved beyond God. It is His Word. To come out and say the culture impacted the writing or that we have grown to a better place or a more just place is to deny that the Bible is the Word of God. It disgusts me that anyone would accuse me of not believing in the inerrancy of scripture and that the Bible is God's Word while they themselves do not believe we have to fully follow it because they claim the writers had prejudices, or where sexists and homophobes. The Lord knows who really believes the Bible is His Word rather than just a book with good ideas we can take or leave.
Having read your Statement of Faith, and a lot of other things you wrote, I know you believe in inerrancy of scripture! I can't imagine anyone accusing you of that. I do agree with you about how people treat the Word of God. They claim it is God's Word, but also say portions of it were influenced by the culture. You can't have it both ways. It is either God's Word or it is not.
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Post by John on Aug 11, 2019 22:43:59 GMT -5
By the way, it is a revival of Puritanism that will usher in any true revival, not this counterfeit attempt to unite all religions, or even all Christian sects together, and COEXIST. We have to return to the Bible way of doing things. We have to get rid of this demon inspired notion that much of the New Testament was influenced by the culture, and therefore we can ignore it. We need to get away from this idea we know better than the early church leaders did, and have "evolved" to a higher place than they did, because every time someone says that, they are really saying they have evolved beyond God. It is His Word. To come out and say the culture impacted the writing or that we have grown to a better place or a more just place is to deny that the Bible is the Word of God. It disgusts me that anyone would accuse me of not believing in the inerrancy of scripture and that the Bible is God's Word while they themselves do not believe we have to fully follow it because they claim the writers had prejudices, or where sexists and homophobes. The Lord knows who really believes the Bible is His Word rather than just a book with good ideas we can take or leave.
Having read your Statement of Faith, and a lot of other things you wrote, I know you believe in inerrancy of scripture! I can't imagine anyone accusing you of that. I do agree with you about how people treat the Word of God. They claim it is God's Word, but also say portions of it were influenced by the culture. You can't have it both ways. It is either God's Word or it is not. I don't believe they really thought that. It was just something to falsely accuse me of. It was grasping at straws, as was calling me a non-conformist, but what nobody could show was non-conformist to what? It wasn't the SOF, so it had to be to the beliefs of the owner. Why should anyone have to conform to the beliefs of an individual? It is one thing to go into a place, know what they believe, and go against it. If I had gone in there promoting something like soul sleep, knowing that went against the SOF, and I was called a non-conformist and done that way, I would have accepted that. I have seen people at some of the consumer sites complain that they were forced out, but it was over things that were spelled out in the SOF. They had no valid reason to complain. They were non-conformists. They admitted what they were accused of was true. Then what is the problem? But to say I don't believe in inerrancy of scripture is to bear false witness.
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Post by 777 on Aug 14, 2019 3:25:12 GMT -5
Having read your Statement of Faith, and a lot of other things you wrote, I know you believe in inerrancy of scripture! I can't imagine anyone accusing you of that. I do agree with you about how people treat the Word of God. They claim it is God's Word, but also say portions of it were influenced by the culture. You can't have it both ways. It is either God's Word or it is not. I don't believe they really thought that. It was just something to falsely accuse me of. It was grasping at straws, as was calling me a non-conformist, but what nobody could show was non-conformist to what? It wasn't the SOF, so it had to be to the beliefs of the owner. Why should anyone have to conform to the beliefs of an individual? It is one thing to go into a place, know what they believe, and go against it. If I had gone in there promoting something like soul sleep, knowing that went against the SOF, and I was called a non-conformist and done that way, I would have accepted that. I have seen people at some of the consumer sites complain that they were forced out, but it was over things that were spelled out in the SOF. They had no valid reason to complain. They were non-conformists. They admitted what they were accused of was true. Then what is the problem? But to say I don't believe in inerrancy of scripture is to bear false witness.
So you said something the owner didn't agree with, but it wasn't against the Statement of Faith, but you got pushed out over it? Was it something to do with OSAS? What kind of consumer sites did you see complaints at?
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