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Post by John on Nov 26, 2019 12:21:56 GMT -5
Benny Hinn said he couldn’t go back and change the videos he recorded before his turn. He said there were still some broadcasts to come that were made beforehand. I do remember hearing that when I watched an interview about his announcement. He said it would take a while for the new teaching to show up in his videos. I didn’t keep watching his stuff thereafter because I don’t keep up with him. I watched some of the videos about his announcement, and that was it. If these accusations are based on a pre-recorded video he said was coming, they don’t count. We’re about six months out now. Is he still preaching prosperity in live services? Look I’m not doing this to defend him. I just want to differentiate facts from hearsay. I am not defending him either, but was just telling you what the Lord told me, and what you said confirmed it.
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Post by Giller on Nov 26, 2019 12:34:49 GMT -5
Frienduff I heard of people like Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyers saying they repented of the prosperity gospel, but I looked up about Kenneth Copeland repenting of it, and I cannot find anything on that, I never heard of Kenneth even remotely saying he repented of it.
Now the verdict is still out on how genuine Benny's and Joyce's repentance things are, but I never heard Copeland doing so, and I am keeping an eye out on if Joyce and Benny reject the ecumenical movement.
I praise God when genuine repentance is done, but I myself want to see what fruit comes about, and this, in one form or another will tell us something.
Those ways do have to be eventually forsaken.
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Post by Giller on Nov 26, 2019 12:46:45 GMT -5
Although it is very evident concerning Copeland that the fruit of his ministry today are very bad.
Very easy to see.
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Post by Giller on Nov 26, 2019 12:49:21 GMT -5
Me I like to see the fruit of repentance, before I make a strong statement on whether someone is genuine or not.
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Post by John on Nov 26, 2019 12:55:23 GMT -5
Frienduff I heard of people like Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyers saying they repented of the prosperity gospel, but I looked up about Kenneth Copeland repenting of it, and I cannot find anything on that, I never heard of Kenneth even remotely saying he repented of it. Now the verdict is still out on how genuine Benny's and Joyce's repentance things are, but I never heard Copeland doing so, and I am keeping an eye out on if Joyce and Benny reject the ecumenical movement. I praise God when genuine repentance is done, but I myself want to see what fruit comes about, and this, in one form or another will tell us something. Those ways do have to be eventually forsaken. Did either of them actually claim to have repented of being part of the ecumenical movement, or did they just say they were wrong about their prosperity gospel teaching? Personally, I am not suggesting that I believe either of them ever got right with God or they did not. I am just saying that it is possible that someone like Benny Henn has been teaching false doctrine while really believing it because they didn't take the time to genuinely study scripture. They felt called, got Spirit-filled, and went out preaching what they heard others preach. It takes effort to learn the Bible, and many are too lazy to do that, or they don't think doctrine is as important as experience. To some, it is all about faith and "their anointing." As such, they preach wrong things that lead others in the ditch.
This is really not so much different from how everyone will copy how another church did business when they start a new church. They pattern after what they know, rather than going to the Bible for direction. If we want to show ourselves approved, a workman that doesn't need to be ashamed, we need to know the Bible. Not only can you find yourself ashamed of what you were preaching, but you can lead others into the ditch along the way.
As far as Copeland goes, I have never once heard of him saying he was preaching anything wrong. I have heard his doctrine, and it is way out there in left field, and I can't imagine him ever abandoning the ecumenical movement. He seems to be all in on it.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 26, 2019 13:17:50 GMT -5
I have no way of knowing for sure what Benny Hinn believes in his heart. Based on the scattered videos I’ve watched of his (maybe a half dozen in total) he seems to teach a hodgepodge of good and bad. Most of it does indeed seem to be ideas he heard elsewhere. You can kind of tell in the tone of his voice at times that he’s repeating things he barely understands. I picked this up in the first two or three times I watched him. It’s part of the reason why I never much cared to take him too seriously. Even in my younger days, he wasn’t someone I kept up with.
As for his prosperity repentance, all I have to go on is what I see him say and do. My only concern is that we do not fall into talebearing just because we don’t like a person. Benny Hinn may be wrong about 100 things, but that doesn’t justify spreading false rumors about anything.
I barely know who Kenneth Copeland is. I’ve never even sat through one of his videos. If not for the clips of him I’ve seen here on Narrow Way, I wouldn’t know a thing about him. I tried to watch Joyce Meyer for a bit when I was younger, and I just couldn’t get into her.
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Post by Giller on Nov 26, 2019 13:21:35 GMT -5
Frienduff I heard of people like Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyers saying they repented of the prosperity gospel, but I looked up about Kenneth Copeland repenting of it, and I cannot find anything on that, I never heard of Kenneth even remotely saying he repented of it. Now the verdict is still out on how genuine Benny's and Joyce's repentance things are, but I never heard Copeland doing so, and I am keeping an eye out on if Joyce and Benny reject the ecumenical movement. I praise God when genuine repentance is done, but I myself want to see what fruit comes about, and this, in one form or another will tell us something. Those ways do have to be eventually forsaken. Did either of them actually claim to have repented of being part of the ecumenical movement, or did they just say they were wrong about their prosperity gospel teaching? Personally, I am not suggesting that I believe either of them ever got right with God or they did not. I am just saying that it is possible that someone like Benny Henn has been teaching false doctrine while really believing it because they didn't take the time to genuinely study scripture. They felt called, got Spirit-filled, and went out preaching what they heard others preach. It takes effort to learn the Bible, and many are too lazy to do that, or they don't think doctrine is as important as experience. To some, it is all about faith and "their anointing." As such, they preach wrong things that lead others in the ditch.
This is really not so much different from how everyone will copy how another church did business when they start a new church. They pattern after what they know, rather than going to the Bible for direction. If we want to show ourselves approved, a workman that doesn't need to be ashamed, we need to know the Bible. Not only can you find yourself ashamed of what you were preaching, but you can lead others into the ditch along the way.
As far as Copeland goes, I have never once heard of him saying he was preaching anything wrong. I have heard his doctrine, and it is way out there in left field, and I can't imagine him ever abandoning the ecumenical movement. He seems to be all in on it. Ya I would agree with you on Copeland that he seems all out on it. And if anyone should know better it is him, for he does study the bible, yet he is truly a deceiver, a wolf in sheep's clothing. I use to watch him at the beginning of my walk, and they would have a program were they would study on this verse and the other. Yet I would never feel too comfortable watching him, knowing there was something not right, and then I found out what it was, although even as a new Christian, it did not take me long.
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Post by Giller on Nov 26, 2019 13:25:56 GMT -5
So I know very well Kenneth's teachings since I have listened to many of his, and use to receive is believer's voice of victory magazine, and also in going to one of his meetings in person even showed deception, in this angel thing that I have mentioned a few times.
The atmosphere in that place was not the best either.
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Post by Giller on Nov 26, 2019 13:27:47 GMT -5
And Frienduff might be 100% right on Benny Hinn, but it would be good to see the evidence of today on what is happening, and also does he still participate in the ecumenical movement?
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Post by John on Nov 26, 2019 13:51:51 GMT -5
And Frienduff might be 100% right on Benny Hinn, but it would be good to see the evidence of today on what is happening, and also does he still participate in the ecumenical movement? I agree. Let's see if over time, there is a change in his message before we make any definite conclusions. Also, there is no way to know what is in a person's heart. All we can do is see if there is any evidence based on what they do today as compared to what they did in the past. I have no way of knowing if Benny Henn was intentionally teaching false doctrine or if he did so in ignorance, but does it really make any difference when it comes to choosing to follow it? False is false. It matters when it comes to how God deals with him, but we know not to listen to his past teachings, especially when he says it was false.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 26, 2019 13:52:33 GMT -5
I also feel led to say this. Not to start an argument, just because it is truly a question that bothers me. In 1 Corinthians, Paul was quite harsh on divisions and foolish behavior he saw in the church at Corinth. But in that same letter he spoke of them prophesying and speaking in tongues. Paul didn’t say they were doing witchcraft because of some fleshly behavior in the church, and he didn’t say perfect doctrine is required before anyone can speak in tongues. I can’t find a single verse in the New Testament that says perfect doctrine is required before a sincere believer can operate in Spirit. Is there something I am missing? Is it there and I’m just not seeing it?
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Post by John on Nov 26, 2019 14:08:26 GMT -5
I also feel led to say this. Not to start an argument, just because it is truly a question that bothers me. In 1 Corinthians, Paul was quite harsh on divisions and foolish behavior he saw in the church at Corinth. But in that same letter he spoke of them prophesying and speaking in tongues. Paul didn’t say they were doing witchcraft because of some fleshly behavior in the church, and he didn’t say perfect doctrine is required before anyone can speak in tongues. I can’t find a single verse in the New Testament that says perfect doctrine is required before a sincere believer can operate in Spirit. Is there something I am missing? Is it there and I’m just not seeing it? You are right about that. If we had to be perfect, we could never do anything because nobody would ever measure up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 18:44:20 GMT -5
Brother, this is excellent and very well said, praise the Lord. AT the same time we don't want to throw cold water on anyone teaching and encouraging the body of believers to exercise authority over snakes and scorpions in the name of Jesus. It is such a badly needed ministry and we are not doing nearly enough in that regard and need to be encouraged and reminded, as well as I believe discipled. But amen, also to be reminded of not letting it go to our heads, because pride goeth before a fall. I know you are addressing mainly those few 'celebrity' style ministers in the church that is falling away........but I have a question about all this for anyone......is the authority to heal all who are oppressed by the devil given only to some in the body of Christ, or is it really for all believers, since we are a priesthood of all believers...or maybe that is speaking of the church as a whole in some respects. I have seen a little of demons being sent packing, but not nearly enough, for the most part I feel helpless in face of people who are badly oppressed, and I feel badly that I am falling short of what needs to be done. For me I have trouble taking authority and not sure why, I am just not an authoritative type of person....is it because I'm a woman, or because I still need more healing myself, or maybe it's just not my area of gifting, though I desire it and hate seeing the devil have the upper hand. I think demonic oppression literally prevents many from receiving Christ as well as that they suffer so badly.....but do they need deliverance first in order to be able to be saved.? I forgot to answer your question . SO lets do it biblically . First are all apostels , NO , are all prophets NO do all have the gift of healing NO . so the answer is no . Whatever gift we have , let us just be faithful in it . The apostles seemed to have quite a few of the gifts . Paul even had special powers by GOD . But again not all do . But GOD knows how to put each one in the body and give it a certain honor so that there is an equality amongst us . That none be highmined and that all see ourselves as naught and each true lamb as needful to the body . GOD KNOWS HOW to WORK all things THROUGH the body .
True, and thanks, but I don't think it ends there though....that isn't all there is to it. We are to eagerly desire more gifts, greater ones. As well as gifts being imparted through the laying on of hands. There are many who don't even really know what their gifts are, as well as those who may know their gifts but for any number of reasons are under-utilizing them. As well as wondering why or what to do when you run into a brick wall, like the disciples did. Jesus taught as well as discipled His disciples. There are many scriptures around this topic that are good to be reminded in, such as being reminded of the miracles that Jesus did and what can be learned from them, and another example, stirring up the gift that is within us and what that means. There is a lot to this subject. Just to talk about miracles and look into the word and seek encouragement and have one's questions answered, etc, doesn't mean one is wrongly motivated and focusing on the wrong thing.
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Post by Giller on Nov 27, 2019 10:24:32 GMT -5
And Frienduff might be 100% right on Benny Hinn, but it would be good to see the evidence of today on what is happening, and also does he still participate in the ecumenical movement? I agree. Let's see if over time, there is a change in his message before we make any definite conclusions. Also, there is no way to know what is in a person's heart. All we can do is see if there is any evidence based on what they do today as compared to what they did in the past. I have no way of knowing if Benny Henn was intentionally teaching false doctrine or if he did so in ignorance, but does it really make any difference when it comes to choosing to follow it? False is false. It matters when it comes to how God deals with him, but we know not to listen to his past teachings, especially when he says it was false.
Well we will see what is what, but as you said false is false. And what I am about to mention is something concerning Benny Hinn, but in the past of course, which it is possible that he is into ecumenical-ism now as well (have not checked on that). I know that near the beginning of my walk with God, God had told me to stop watching TBN and Benny Hinn, which I did not right away but eventually did, even in the same year I got saved, or maybe 1995. I remember one time watching Benny Hinn, and what Benny Hinn said was this, that we are going back to our roots, and in my spirit I knew what he was saying without him actually saying it word for word, for I know for a fact the Holy Spirit revealed to me that he was meaning that what Benny was calling the church, is going back to Catholicism, back to what some people call the roots of the church, and later on, I seen the fruit of this, I believe it was in 1994 that Benny Hinn said this, so Benny has known about this stuff for a while, and has been pointing to it in many different ways for a while. I am no so sure if Benny is truly ignorant, but the fruits will show up in the end anyways.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Nov 28, 2019 0:19:00 GMT -5
I believe God can do anything.
That's why I'm sad that I've never witnessed a miracle.
I believe in my heart that if we earnestly prayed for God to pour out His Spirit, more miracles would happen.
Spending time reading your posts has expanded my view of what a "really spiritual Christian" looks like.
I'm willing, for example, to open back up to speaking in tongues and ministries that operate with spiritual gifts. (Even though I'm afraid of being manipulated)
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