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Post by John on Feb 13, 2020 8:40:07 GMT -5
I did notice that Frienduff asked about our experiences. Mine was at a tent revival. The preacher laid hands on me and prayed, and I fell straight back. I spoke in tongues while on the ground. It began with stammering lips. I had experienced that a few times before.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 13, 2020 9:54:10 GMT -5
If Letters doesn't want to answer something, or anyone else for that matter, they can just say so. There is no need for interrogations. If we are dealing with someone like one poster in particular (not you), that demands immediate answers from everyone else, those kind of people should answer questions posed to them. Letters doesn't go around interrogating others, and if this is something he would just rather not talk about, that is fine. The reason I wanted to know his experience is because it might shed light on things where it would put the matter to rest. Of course, you never know? It might make things worse.
A person is free in the Lord to just ignore or side-step questions that they prefer not to answer. That is usually wiser and more tactful and less confrontational than directly refusing to answer, it's just a part of normal human interaction. I don't need to wonder why Letters would rather not answer such direct questioning.... understand well how it could be for any number of reasons, since I've had some precious experiences with the Lord as well. And I don't consider that those experiences belong to me...they belong to the Lord and only He can lead one to speak about them or not, as HE wills, not as I will or any other person wills. Please don't get it into your head that I have been to the third heaven, but remember how Paul said it was not permitted to him to speak of certain things, so the Lord doesn't lead us to pressure people to speak of their experiences with Him. It is even one error in the false prophetic movement how they are always boasting in their experiences. Dear sister when I wrote that , I was not talking about letters . I was meaning if you asked me to explain something , I should . We should ask each other questions . Instead people just keep assuming things . That was why a while back I had asked butero , if he sees me write something and he either don't understand it or thinks it is wrong , to tell me . This way , if he misunderstood I can explain it , or if I was in error it too can be fixed . at times folks misunderstand things I say , you say , or others say . And if we then form an opinion and say nothing , this leads to the wrong kind of division . I have seen this happen . for example it happens all the time on Worthy . they misunderstand me most of the time , example …. I can come on talking about faith without works is dead and somehow in their minds they see that as legalism , they done made their mind up and over look all the other stuff I say as well . They pick and choose sides . Here I noticed at times even folks do misunderstand one another and then all it leads to is arguing . NOw if something erroneous it taught , or if its just a misunderstanding , either way if we sit and ask questions it can get cleared up .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 13, 2020 10:07:37 GMT -5
I do wonder what it was the LORD had letters to do . I think it is perfectly reasonable to wonder.
It is . Now I promise I am not accusing anyone , but let me give a real bad example . Let say we had a member named LU LU . And LU LU said , hey guys the LORD had me DO SOMETHING and I did it and then I experienced the baptism . I would ask lu lu , HEY LU LU what was it the LORD TOLD YOU TO DO so you could recevieve this . And then LU LU says , well he told me to go sacrifice a bird . OOOPS . Would we not know THIS CANT be right . NOW I promise I am not implying any such thing about letters . But I was being honest , it does kinda have me concerned . Maybe someone laid handson letters , like they did in the days of the apostels . Okay that would be fine . Because that is how it can sometimes happen . But I am curious on this . Not to accuse anyone , but to simply ensure this was good . Maybe letters was led to go deep into prayer . Fine . But we should ask one another . Should we not look out for one another . What if the real baptism still awaits letters , BUT He is missing out , OR what IF HE already DID have the baptism . See either way I see no harm in asking . Accusing without hearing , YEAH that should not be done . Or accusing letters of not having the SPIRIT or being saved , SHOULD NOT BE DONE . But asking , yall feel free to ask me anything . Lambs should be honest with one another and they should bear the burdens of others too . We should be looking out for one another . Due to there is no ONE man SHOW , I mean the ONE SPIRIT does work through all the members . I mean yall , truly if you have any doubts , concerns or just want to know anything about me and what I believe , Feel free to ask . It might even help encourage those who asked or who knows I might have a hidden fault and it can be brought to the surface . Just ask . If I ever write anything , and questions or doubts arise to what I mean , or if one Thinks they spot error , not only am I asking you to make it know , I AM TELLING YOU ALLL make it known . It will do two things , either if I was right it will help the others see that , or if I was wrong , it will help me see my error . LAMBS look out for lambs and no man is a one man show . And if we think we are something , prepare for a fall my friends , prepare for destruction . For who is man and what did he receive that came not from GOD . And the lambs are supposed to look out for the lambs .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 10:47:34 GMT -5
A person is free in the Lord to just ignore or side-step questions that they prefer not to answer. That is usually wiser and more tactful and less confrontational than directly refusing to answer, it's just a part of normal human interaction. I don't need to wonder why Letters would rather not answer such direct questioning.... understand well how it could be for any number of reasons, since I've had some precious experiences with the Lord as well. And I don't consider that those experiences belong to me...they belong to the Lord and only He can lead one to speak about them or not, as HE wills, not as I will or any other person wills. Please don't get it into your head that I have been to the third heaven, but remember how Paul said it was not permitted to him to speak of certain things, so the Lord doesn't lead us to pressure people to speak of their experiences with Him. It is even one error in the false prophetic movement how they are always boasting in their experiences. In the example you just gave, Paul stated how he was not permitted to speak certain things. He didn't side step anything, and side stepping and ignoring is not normal human interaction for most people I associate with. I don't see that as wise or tactful. The person could state as Paul did that they are not permitted to reveal something, or say that the experience is deeply personal, so they would rather not say. That is better than ignoring a question. Maybe among your close friends, it is considered wise and tactful to side step and ignore questions, but not where I come from.
I meant no offense, brother. I'm sure if you took the time to think about it you could come up with examples in your life when you didn't want to answer someone's questions. Eg, co-workers wanting to dig up dirt on someone you work with, or relatives asking for information about other family members that you thought they might not want spread abroad, or manipulative people trying to paint you into a corner, etc...the list is long since we live in a fallen world. And its not always necessary or wise to make an issue out of not answering, so you might change the subject or answer indirectly or ignore the question etc. Ignoring a question is sometimes a tactful answer in itself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 11:05:38 GMT -5
I think it is perfectly reasonable to wonder.
It is . Now I promise I am not accusing anyone , but let me give a real bad example . Let say we had a member named LU LU . And LU LU said , hey guys the LORD had me DO SOMETHING and I did it and then I experienced the baptism . I would ask lu lu , HEY LU LU what was it the LORD TOLD YOU TO DO so you could recevieve this . And then LU LU says , well he told me to go sacrifice a bird . OOOPS . Would we not know THIS CANT be right . NOW I promise I am not implying any such thing about letters . But I was being honest , it does kinda have me concerned . Maybe someone laid handson letters , like they did in the days of the apostels . Okay that would be fine . Because that is how it can sometimes happen . But I am curious on this . Not to accuse anyone , but to simply ensure this was good . Maybe letters was led to go deep into prayer . Fine . But we should ask one another . Should we not look out for one another . What if the real baptism still awaits letters , BUT He is missing out , OR what IF HE already DID have the baptism . See either way I see no harm in asking . Accusing without hearing , YEAH that should not be done . Or accusing letters of not having the SPIRIT or being saved , SHOULD NOT BE DONE . But asking , yall feel free to ask me anything . Lambs should be honest with one another and they should bear the burdens of others too . We should be looking out for one another . Due to there is no ONE man SHOW , I mean the ONE SPIRIT does work through all the members . I mean yall , truly if you have any doubts , concerns or just want to know anything about me and what I believe , Feel free to ask . It might even help encourage those who asked or who knows I might have a hidden fault and it can be brought to the surface . Just ask . If I ever write anything , and questions or doubts arise to what I mean , or if one Thinks they spot error , not only am I asking you to make it know , I AM TELLING YOU ALLL make it known . It will do two things , either if I was right it will help the others see that , or if I was wrong , it will help me see my error . LAMBS look out for lambs and no man is a one man show . And if we think we are something , prepare for a fall my friends , prepare for destruction . For who is man and what did he receive that came not from GOD . And the lambs are supposed to look out for the lambs . I think anyone who has discernment can discern Letters posts and don't need to wonder if he is being misled by a false spirit. Anyhow this is becoming such a long conversation over something so small....I just wanted to try and point out that Letters has not done anything wrong or sinful in not answering your question.
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Post by John on Feb 13, 2020 18:19:37 GMT -5
I think it is perfectly reasonable to wonder.
It is . Now I promise I am not accusing anyone , but let me give a real bad example . Let say we had a member named LU LU . And LU LU said , hey guys the LORD had me DO SOMETHING and I did it and then I experienced the baptism . I would ask lu lu , HEY LU LU what was it the LORD TOLD YOU TO DO so you could recevieve this . And then LU LU says , well he told me to go sacrifice a bird . OOOPS . Would we not know THIS CANT be right . NOW I promise I am not implying any such thing about letters . But I was being honest , it does kinda have me concerned . Maybe someone laid handson letters , like they did in the days of the apostels . Okay that would be fine . Because that is how it can sometimes happen . But I am curious on this . Not to accuse anyone , but to simply ensure this was good . Maybe letters was led to go deep into prayer . Fine . But we should ask one another . Should we not look out for one another . What if the real baptism still awaits letters , BUT He is missing out , OR what IF HE already DID have the baptism . See either way I see no harm in asking . Accusing without hearing , YEAH that should not be done . Or accusing letters of not having the SPIRIT or being saved , SHOULD NOT BE DONE . But asking , yall feel free to ask me anything . Lambs should be honest with one another and they should bear the burdens of others too . We should be looking out for one another . Due to there is no ONE man SHOW , I mean the ONE SPIRIT does work through all the members . I mean yall , truly if you have any doubts , concerns or just want to know anything about me and what I believe , Feel free to ask . It might even help encourage those who asked or who knows I might have a hidden fault and it can be brought to the surface . Just ask . If I ever write anything , and questions or doubts arise to what I mean , or if one Thinks they spot error , not only am I asking you to make it know , I AM TELLING YOU ALLL make it known . It will do two things , either if I was right it will help the others see that , or if I was wrong , it will help me see my error . LAMBS look out for lambs and no man is a one man show . And if we think we are something , prepare for a fall my friends , prepare for destruction . For who is man and what did he receive that came not from GOD . And the lambs are supposed to look out for the lambs . That is exactly the reason I want to know. We have absolutely no idea what it is that he did that was how he received the baptism in the Holy Ghost. It would be helpful, either to give us all peace, or to show us that he is in error. He isn't obligated to say, and I am certainly not going to demand that he does, but it would be helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 20:05:47 GMT -5
It is . Now I promise I am not accusing anyone , but let me give a real bad example . Let say we had a member named LU LU . And LU LU said , hey guys the LORD had me DO SOMETHING and I did it and then I experienced the baptism . I would ask lu lu , HEY LU LU what was it the LORD TOLD YOU TO DO so you could recevieve this . And then LU LU says , well he told me to go sacrifice a bird . OOOPS . Would we not know THIS CANT be right . NOW I promise I am not implying any such thing about letters . But I was being honest , it does kinda have me concerned . Maybe someone laid handson letters , like they did in the days of the apostels . Okay that would be fine . Because that is how it can sometimes happen . But I am curious on this . Not to accuse anyone , but to simply ensure this was good . Maybe letters was led to go deep into prayer . Fine . But we should ask one another . Should we not look out for one another . What if the real baptism still awaits letters , BUT He is missing out , OR what IF HE already DID have the baptism . See either way I see no harm in asking . Accusing without hearing , YEAH that should not be done . Or accusing letters of not having the SPIRIT or being saved , SHOULD NOT BE DONE . But asking , yall feel free to ask me anything . Lambs should be honest with one another and they should bear the burdens of others too . We should be looking out for one another . Due to there is no ONE man SHOW , I mean the ONE SPIRIT does work through all the members . I mean yall , truly if you have any doubts , concerns or just want to know anything about me and what I believe , Feel free to ask . It might even help encourage those who asked or who knows I might have a hidden fault and it can be brought to the surface . Just ask . If I ever write anything , and questions or doubts arise to what I mean , or if one Thinks they spot error , not only am I asking you to make it know , I AM TELLING YOU ALLL make it known . It will do two things , either if I was right it will help the others see that , or if I was wrong , it will help me see my error . LAMBS look out for lambs and no man is a one man show . And if we think we are something , prepare for a fall my friends , prepare for destruction . For who is man and what did he receive that came not from GOD . And the lambs are supposed to look out for the lambs . That is exactly the reason I want to know. We have absolutely no idea what it is that he did that was how he received the baptism in the Holy Ghost. It would be helpful, either to give us all peace, or to show us that he is in error. He isn't obligated to say, and I am certainly not going to demand that he does, but it would be helpful.
Okay, it looks like something needs to be clarified here.....I seem to remember from a much earlier conversation where Letters said he had been baptized in the H.S. at the same time that he came to faith in Christ (I think he might believe this happens with everyone, though I don't agree with that). However, what needs to be clarified is that what he was talking about in this conversation is only how the Lord confirmed to him that he had already been baptized in the H.S.....because he had been in a state of doubt and confusion about that since people were saying he couldn't have been since he doesn't speak in tongues.....but then finally the Lord put an end to all that worry and reassurred him by confirming to him in a miraculous way that he had indeed already been baptized in the H.S. So where he said the Lord led him to do something by faith, was not how he came to be baptized in the H.S., it was only how the Lord confirmed to him that he already had been. Hope that makes sense. See on page 11 of this thread, I do think that is what he was saying, but maybe have a look and refresh your memory and see.
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Post by John on Feb 13, 2020 21:18:00 GMT -5
That is exactly the reason I want to know. We have absolutely no idea what it is that he did that was how he received the baptism in the Holy Ghost. It would be helpful, either to give us all peace, or to show us that he is in error. He isn't obligated to say, and I am certainly not going to demand that he does, but it would be helpful.
Okay, it looks like something needs to be clarified here.....I seem to remember from a much earlier conversation where Letters said he had been baptized in the H.S. at the same time that he came to faith in Christ (I think he might believe this happens with everyone, though I don't agree with that). However, what needs to be clarified is that what he was talking about in this conversation is only how the Lord confirmed to him that he had already been baptized in the H.S.....because he had been in a state of doubt and confusion about that since people were saying he couldn't have been since he doesn't speak in tongues.....but then finally the Lord put an end to all that worry and reassurred him by confirming to him in a miraculous way that he had indeed already been baptized in the H.S. So where he said the Lord led him to do something by faith, was not how he came to be baptized in the H.S., it was only how the Lord confirmed to him that he already had been. Hope that makes sense. See on page 11 of this thread, I do think that is what he was saying, but maybe have a look and refresh your memory and see. Maybe that is what he meant and we just took him wrong. I was picturing him doing something in order to show he had been baptized in the Holy Ghost. That is how it came across. If that is what he meant, that would be so easy to clear up if he would.
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