A mainstream church leader bizarrely defines “church” for us

John this is not about numbers. This is exactly what Frienduff has been describing. They are redefining “church” as an inclusive community where the human race worships itself. This is no longer about vague platitudes to be more popular. This is a theology of human universalism. They’re using more of the word Christ instead of Jesus, not because Christ is another name for Jesus, but so they can use Christ as a catch-all term for God’s love.

The time is long past to give these people the benefit of the doubt. They are not zealous evangelists with a bit of careless marketing, and this is not about growing churches. Even as they promote these small temporary attendance boosts, they know the churches will close in the end. 60% of churches are in perpetual stagnation, and thousands of them close on a yearly basis. By recent estimates, 100 churches a week are closing in the US.

Only 20 years ago, about 70% of the US population had a church to go to. Even if they didn’t attend every Sunday, they had a local place they considered their church, and would attend at least for holidays. Now it’s down to 50%. Jason Daye wants you to get excited because a random church in Maryland had 20 extra people one Sunday — and forget the fact that millions of Americans are dropping out of the system.

If they were really doing this for numbers, the numbers would be there. Numbers is a smokescreen. I’m convinced it was a smokescreen from the start. They’re making the numbers worse, and no matter how bad it gets, they double down on the unity community stuff. They’ll bankrupt the church system on the altar of this theology.

It's a train that is going further and further off the track. An unfolding tragedy in our time....which was prophesied to happen. "Come out of her my people", before it's too late.

Here is some info on the ecumenical movement:

(https://www.cogwriter.com/protestant-ecumenism.htm)


(...What About Rick Warren, Billy Graham, and Others?

There are many Protestant/evangelical leaders and groups that are embracing the broad ecumenical movement.

Notice something related to evangelical Pastor Rick Warren:

Is Rick Warren a Closet Catholic?

The Eternal Word Television Network, a Catholic station conducted an interview with Rick Warren that reveals how much he embraces the Roman Catholic religion and his push for ecumenical unity....

...Worship Pastor Encourages Unity with Rome

Darlene Zschech, who has published many popular worship albums under Integrity Music and Hosanna labels, is calling for her followers to unite with Roman Catholics....


...Billy Graham, himself, made a deal with the Church of Rome years ago, and now that there is less ecumenical resistance among Protestants, apparently his group has come out more publicly in support....


...In addition to Lutherans, Pentecostals, and Charismatics, Joel Osteen met with Pope Francis in 2014 (in his case, June 5th) and was pleased with the Pope's ecumenical agenda:

Joel Osteen, the pastor of Houston's Lakewood Church, was meeting Thursday with Pope Francis at the Vatican....)


Now in this first quote it mentions many names such as Joel Osteen, Darlene Zschech of Hillsong, Rick Warren, and Billy Graham.

And I had read that in the 1940's Billy use to preach against Catholicism, but it seems somewhere in the 60's that is most likely when he compromised with Rome.

Now I do not endorse at all, this Cogwriter website because of his teachings, but he does do good research on many historical things, especially what happened in church history, and so forth, he has a lot of information on church history.

And now here is my next quote:


(https://coercioncode.com/2017/10/31/kenneth-copelands-ecumenical-kairos-conference-on-the-eve-of-the-anniversary-of-luthers-protest/)


(...By the time Luther died, of natural causes, in 1546, his revolutionary beliefs had formed the basis for the Protestant Reformation, which would over the next three centuries revolutionize Western civilization.

Now on the eve of the celebration of Martin Luther’s protest, Kenneth Copeland after his previous visit to the Vatican is flying high on the idea of unity with ‘The Great Whore’, the Roman Catholic Church by holding another unity conference this month.

This is the latest attempt to merge American Charismaticism and Roman Catholicism than the Kairos 2017 event that held in Kansas City from October 24-26 2017.

The “International Meeting of the Kairos” was invented by the Roman Catholic church as a part of it’s “Great Jubilee” in the year 2000.

The goal of the ecumenical organization was to – very explicitly – merge together both Rome and charismatics.…

...This year’s Kairos conference, there will be a whole gaggle of false teachers who will be doing the blasphemy truffle shuffle in a virtual conga line of charismatic chicanery. The speakers-list is like a roll-call for infamous heretics.
Speakers will include Kenneth Copeland, Mike Bickel (of Kansas City IHOP), Dutch Sheets, Lou Engle (NAR Apostle), Gordon Robertson (son of Pat Robertson), Billy Wilson (of Oral Roberts University), and a whole enclave of Roman Catholic officials and Eastern Orthodox idolaters....)

Giller it’s worth noting that even megachurches close in the end. Mark Driscoll’s empire dissolved when that scandal got him fired, and Mars Hill megachurch is no more. Twelve thousand souls were affected. Most of them scattered. Where did they go? No one knows.

Megachurch growth is not from converting the utterly lost as they claim — it’s transfer attendance from nearby struggling churches, as well as resumed attendance for confessing young adults who had backslidden for a while. The seeker-friendly model hasn’t made a dent in the atheist portion of society. Can you think of a single person you’ve ever met, who was totally lost and unfamiliar with church, who became a Christian because a local church had cool music?

They have the statistics to show this. Half of all American churchgoers attend the top 10% of megachurches. Think about that. This handful of giant churches with all the publicity has had to corral half the church population. They are not bringing fresh blood into the system. They are persecuting and/or acquiring small churches that compete with them, in the same way that Walmart bankrupts small local retailers. Walmart’s success doesn’t prove there are “more people” buying bread and milk.

Yes, these megachurches actually do business deals to acquire a local church. They buy the property and pay off the pastor to resign. Then they move their people in to impose their teaching material and worship songs. If a certain congregation is a threat to them, they’ll build a ‘cooler’ upstart church across the street.

Here’s a personal testimony from someone who watched a megachurch destroy his local flock.

landsharkattacks.blogspot.com/2014/07/james-macdonald-killed-my-church.html