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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 20:18:33 GMT -5
The day has been approaching for over two thousand years. If the Lord leads and instructs a person against their own desire and will to come out of the churches then they are not "forsaking" anything, they are simply obeying His leading for their life. Not my will but thine. And the Lord desires obedience, not sacrifice. It isn't a sin not to be in church on Sundays like CATHOLICISM teaches. I'm guessing when persecution starts in earnest the Lord there will be more gathering of His scattered sheep. Here is the way I look at this. First of all, your comment about "the day has been approaching for over two thousand years," sounds just like the scoffers the Bible says will be around in the last days. Your comments are actually a sign to me that we are near the end.
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. 2 Peter 3:3-4 I have seen you do this kind of thing in the past, where you will claim that we do not have to obey God's Word if we feel like God is telling us to do something that goes against it, and you justified this by saying that the "letter killeth," which is out of context. It was speaking of the letter of the Old Testament law, not New Testament teachings. God will not go against His written Word. Your comparison to the Catholic Church has nothing to do with not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together. That is New Testament teaching. Either we are speaking of the Word of God or we are not. I am not accusing you of violating this scripture. There are different ways to assemble together with other believers, but I find it troubling that you would become a scoffer about us being near the end, even with all that is happening, and even more troubling that you would suggest that God would tell people to do things contrary to the Bible.
Oh now, how can I be a scoffer when I so often say that we seem to be near the end. Was only making a little point that the early church were living in expectancy of the Lord's return in their time, so that word applies no more or less to today than it did back then, but applies the same. There's a difference between someone forsaking assembling together (an act of their own will and desire) and someone being led and instructed by the Lord to keep away from the churches. I'm not forsaking anything, just following the Lord. Here's something to really ponder and think upon and stretch our spiritual muscles....remember the Lord telling Ezekiel to cook food over human excrement in violation of His own Law? And to walk around unclothed? He is the Lord over His own Laws like He is Lord over the Sabbath. Remember David and his men eating the shewbread in violation of the Law? How about when God asked Abraham to commit human sacrifice of his own son and Abraham was commended for trying to do it?
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Post by John on Feb 25, 2020 3:24:26 GMT -5
Here is the way I look at this. First of all, your comment about "the day has been approaching for over two thousand years," sounds just like the scoffers the Bible says will be around in the last days. Your comments are actually a sign to me that we are near the end.
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. 2 Peter 3:3-4 I have seen you do this kind of thing in the past, where you will claim that we do not have to obey God's Word if we feel like God is telling us to do something that goes against it, and you justified this by saying that the "letter killeth," which is out of context. It was speaking of the letter of the Old Testament law, not New Testament teachings. God will not go against His written Word. Your comparison to the Catholic Church has nothing to do with not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together. That is New Testament teaching. Either we are speaking of the Word of God or we are not. I am not accusing you of violating this scripture. There are different ways to assemble together with other believers, but I find it troubling that you would become a scoffer about us being near the end, even with all that is happening, and even more troubling that you would suggest that God would tell people to do things contrary to the Bible.
Oh now, how can I be a scoffer when I so often say that we seem to be near the end. Was only making a little point that the early church were living in expectancy of the Lord's return in their time, so that word applies no more or less to today than it did back then, but applies the same. There's a difference between someone forsaking assembling together (an act of their own will and desire) and someone being led and instructed by the Lord to keep away from the churches. I'm not forsaking anything, just following the Lord. Here's something to really ponder and think upon and stretch our spiritual muscles....remember the Lord telling Ezekiel to cook food over human excrement in violation of His own Law? And to walk around unclothed? He is the Lord over His own Laws like He is Lord over the Sabbath. Remember David and his men eating the shewbread in violation of the Law? How about when God asked Abraham to commit human sacrifice of his own son and Abraham was commended for trying to do it? I thought it strange that you would scoff about us seeing the day approaching, but you did. There is no other way to take what you said. What specific law did Ezekiel violate? David was not told by God to eat the show bread. He did that on his own. There was no scripture that said God would never ask a man to sacrifice a human being. We know that he has never done this, but there was no law of God being broken by that, and we also know that God did not have Abraham do it. It was only a test. Not one example you gave shows God going against His own Word. God is not going to have us do things contrary to scripture.
This is a serious issue, because it is that kind of thinking that leads to some doing terrible things in the name of the Lord. They will claim to have heard voices telling them to do things that contradict scripture. Sorry, but I do not agree with anything you have said. As far as whether or not you are forsaking the assembling, I said I am not accusing you of doing that. What I saw you doing is scoffing about it being the last days, which you did, and claiming that God will have us do things contrary to His Word.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 7:54:27 GMT -5
Oh now, how can I be a scoffer when I so often say that we seem to be near the end. Was only making a little point that the early church were living in expectancy of the Lord's return in their time, so that word applies no more or less to today than it did back then, but applies the same. There's a difference between someone forsaking assembling together (an act of their own will and desire) and someone being led and instructed by the Lord to keep away from the churches. I'm not forsaking anything, just following the Lord. Here's something to really ponder and think upon and stretch our spiritual muscles....remember the Lord telling Ezekiel to cook food over human excrement in violation of His own Law? And to walk around unclothed? He is the Lord over His own Laws like He is Lord over the Sabbath. Remember David and his men eating the shewbread in violation of the Law? How about when God asked Abraham to commit human sacrifice of his own son and Abraham was commended for trying to do it? I thought it strange that you would scoff about us seeing the day approaching, but you did. There is no other way to take what you said. What specific law did Ezekiel violate? David was not told by God to eat the show bread. He did that on his own. There was no scripture that said God would never ask a man to sacrifice a human being. We know that he has never done this, but there was no law of God being broken by that, and we also know that God did not have Abraham do it. It was only a test. Not one example you gave shows God going against His own Word. God is not going to have us do things contrary to scripture.
This is a serious issue, because it is that kind of thinking that leads to some doing terrible things in the name of the Lord. They will claim to have heard voices telling them to do things that contradict scripture. Sorry, but I do not agree with anything you have said. As far as whether or not you are forsaking the assembling, I said I am not accusing you of doing that. What I saw you doing is scoffing about it being the last days, which you did, and claiming that God will have us do things contrary to His Word.
Was man made for laws and commandments or were they made for men? Do we serve and worship a Real, Living, Moving, 'Breathing' God, or do we serve a dead letter of laws and commandments? Okay more food for thought.....it's true that some terrible things HAVE been done in the name of the Lord....the Lord sometimes kills people....He told Israel to go in and kill an entire nation of Canaanites, men, women and children. He killed Ananias and Sapphira. The two witnesses will be slaying people and calling down plagues upon those who oppose the gospel. He is the Lord who creates evil and sends calamity. Don't think it's much of a thing at all if He leads a few sheep to just go seek Him alone in the wilderness. His sheep know His voice. Abigail took courage to do what was seemingly against Law and convention and authority and became the wife of the king of Israel (picture of the bride of Christ). A woman who needed healing for her daughter talked back and argued with the Son of Almighty God, and was commended for her faith and received the crumbs from the table that she needed. I'm trying to encourage myself too brother, how that we need to grow and break out of our religious bondages, and I'm sure I've been one of the absolute worst. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is LIBERTY. Heaven's point of view is much larger than ours. This is not to justify recklessness and lawlessness on our part, but if and when the LORD is the one who is truly is in charge of our reins, well HE just can't do wrong. (And what you were saying, is that really the terrible things and examples you are thinking of have been done in the name of religion and a counterfeit Christ, not truly in the name of the true Christ.)
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Post by John on Feb 25, 2020 8:19:57 GMT -5
I thought it strange that you would scoff about us seeing the day approaching, but you did. There is no other way to take what you said. What specific law did Ezekiel violate? David was not told by God to eat the show bread. He did that on his own. There was no scripture that said God would never ask a man to sacrifice a human being. We know that he has never done this, but there was no law of God being broken by that, and we also know that God did not have Abraham do it. It was only a test. Not one example you gave shows God going against His own Word. God is not going to have us do things contrary to scripture.
This is a serious issue, because it is that kind of thinking that leads to some doing terrible things in the name of the Lord. They will claim to have heard voices telling them to do things that contradict scripture. Sorry, but I do not agree with anything you have said. As far as whether or not you are forsaking the assembling, I said I am not accusing you of doing that. What I saw you doing is scoffing about it being the last days, which you did, and claiming that God will have us do things contrary to His Word.
Was man made for laws and commandments or were they made for men? Do we serve and worship a Real, Living, Moving, 'Breathing' God, or do we serve a dead letter of laws and commandments? Okay more food for thought.....it's true that some terrible things HAVE been done in the name of the Lord....the Lord sometimes kills people....He told Israel to go in and kill an entire nation of Canaanites, men, women and children. He killed Ananias and Sapphira. The two witnesses will be slaying people and calling down plagues upon those who oppose the gospel. He is the Lord who creates evil and sends calamity. Don't think it's much of a thing at all if He leads a few sheep to just go seek Him alone in the wilderness. His sheep know His voice. Abigail took courage to do what was seemingly against Law and convention and authority and became the wife of the king of Israel (picture of the bride of Christ). A woman who needed healing for her daughter talked back and argued with the Son of Almighty God, and was commended for her faith and received the crumbs from the table that she needed. I'm trying to encourage myself too brother, how that we need to grow and break out of our religious bondages, and I'm sure I've been one of the absolute worst. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is LIBERTY. Heaven's point of view is much larger than ours. This is not to justify recklessness and lawlessness on our part, but if and when the LORD is the one who is truly is in charge of our reins, well HE just can't do wrong. (And what you were saying, is that really the terrible things and examples you are thinking of have been done in the name of religion and a counterfeit Christ, not truly in the name of the true Christ.) What I am saying is that it is obedience to God's Word that protects us from convincing ourselves that God is leading us to do things, when He is not. One example I have seen a lot involves sexual sins. People claim that God led them to leave one spouse to marry another, when He did not. If I use your way of doing things, who is to say that person is wrong? God's Word is not the final authority anymore.
As for Abigail, she was commended by David, not God, and she became a wife of the King, not the wife of the King. He had a small harem, and she was just one of his wives. Also, she did not disobey a direct order from her husband. If what you are saying is "faith stretching," it is putting faith in our feelings above God's Word. Then you call God's Word dead letters. This is a serious flaw in how you view scripture.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:22:54 GMT -5
Was man made for laws and commandments or were they made for men? Do we serve and worship a Real, Living, Moving, 'Breathing' God, or do we serve a dead letter of laws and commandments? Okay more food for thought.....it's true that some terrible things HAVE been done in the name of the Lord....the Lord sometimes kills people....He told Israel to go in and kill an entire nation of Canaanites, men, women and children. He killed Ananias and Sapphira. The two witnesses will be slaying people and calling down plagues upon those who oppose the gospel. He is the Lord who creates evil and sends calamity. Don't think it's much of a thing at all if He leads a few sheep to just go seek Him alone in the wilderness. His sheep know His voice. Abigail took courage to do what was seemingly against Law and convention and authority and became the wife of the king of Israel (picture of the bride of Christ). A woman who needed healing for her daughter talked back and argued with the Son of Almighty God, and was commended for her faith and received the crumbs from the table that she needed. I'm trying to encourage myself too brother, how that we need to grow and break out of our religious bondages, and I'm sure I've been one of the absolute worst. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is LIBERTY. Heaven's point of view is much larger than ours. This is not to justify recklessness and lawlessness on our part, but if and when the LORD is the one who is truly is in charge of our reins, well HE just can't do wrong. (And what you were saying, is that really the terrible things and examples you are thinking of have been done in the name of religion and a counterfeit Christ, not truly in the name of the true Christ.) What I am saying is that it is obedience to God's Word that protects us from convincing ourselves that God is leading us to do things, when He is not. One example I have seen a lot involves sexual sins. People claim that God led them to leave one spouse to marry another, when He did not. If I use your way of doing things, who is to say that person is wrong? God's Word is not the final authority anymore.
As for Abigail, she was commended by David, not God, and she became a wife of the King, not the wife of the King. He had a small harem, and she was just one of his wives. Also, she did not disobey a direct order from her husband. If what you are saying is "faith stretching," it is putting faith in our feelings above God's Word. Then you call God's Word dead letters. This is a serious flaw in how you view scripture.
Not the old way of a dead letter brother...but in the new way of the SPIRIT. Isn't that what GOD'S WORD says? That's all I'm trying to show, and giving examples in GOD'S WORD. GOD'S WORD....which is ALIVE and active, not dead. And we are alive too if we are GROWING.....which we are commanded and need to do.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 25, 2020 10:29:01 GMT -5
Was man made for laws and commandments or were they made for men? Do we serve and worship a Real, Living, Moving, 'Breathing' God, or do we serve a dead letter of laws and commandments? Okay more food for thought.....it's true that some terrible things HAVE been done in the name of the Lord....the Lord sometimes kills people....He told Israel to go in and kill an entire nation of Canaanites, men, women and children. He killed Ananias and Sapphira. The two witnesses will be slaying people and calling down plagues upon those who oppose the gospel. He is the Lord who creates evil and sends calamity. Don't think it's much of a thing at all if He leads a few sheep to just go seek Him alone in the wilderness. His sheep know His voice. Abigail took courage to do what was seemingly against Law and convention and authority and became the wife of the king of Israel (picture of the bride of Christ). A woman who needed healing for her daughter talked back and argued with the Son of Almighty God, and was commended for her faith and received the crumbs from the table that she needed. I'm trying to encourage myself too brother, how that we need to grow and break out of our religious bondages, and I'm sure I've been one of the absolute worst. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is LIBERTY. Heaven's point of view is much larger than ours. This is not to justify recklessness and lawlessness on our part, but if and when the LORD is the one who is truly is in charge of our reins, well HE just can't do wrong. (And what you were saying, is that really the terrible things and examples you are thinking of have been done in the name of religion and a counterfeit Christ, not truly in the name of the true Christ.) What I am saying is that it is obedience to God's Word that protects us from convincing ourselves that God is leading us to do things, when He is not. One example I have seen a lot involves sexual sins. People claim that God led them to leave one spouse to marry another, when He did not. If I use your way of doing things, who is to say that person is wrong? God's Word is not the final authority anymore.
As for Abigail, she was commended by David, not God, and she became a wife of the King, not the wife of the King. He had a small harem, and she was just one of his wives. Also, she did not disobey a direct order from her husband. If what you are saying is "faith stretching," it is putting faith in our feelings above God's Word. Then you call God's Word dead letters. This is a serious flaw in how you view scripture.
I am not siding with anyone at this next point . But even if , and she did disobey her husband , for she did KNOW that nabal was a man of BELIAL, she was honoring GOD . Remember he who loves mother , father , wife or etc more than me is not worthy of me . Abigail was not dishonoring GOD nor the law . Did the law not even say , we ought to give to those in need . Abigail was doing RIGHT in the SIGHT OF GOD and nabal was doing evil in the sight of GOD and she chose to OBEY GOD rather than her husband . THIS does not transgress the law , it actually fulfills it . SHE DID RIGHT , NABAL DID EVIL and she chose to OBEY GOD rather than her husband . THAT is how simple it is . SO the law was not being transgressed by her , for though it did say honor your husband , IT is very clear that we are not to honor EVIL if our spouse Tells us to do evil . Or if our spouse does evil , WE do not honor the said evil . Folks will use many things out of text . Even paul USED the law as a means of reminders and correction . We can too . We use it not to justify us , but we can use it to remind to do good and flee evil . YOU BET WE CAN .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 25, 2020 10:40:23 GMT -5
What I am saying is that it is obedience to God's Word that protects us from convincing ourselves that God is leading us to do things, when He is not. One example I have seen a lot involves sexual sins. People claim that God led them to leave one spouse to marry another, when He did not. If I use your way of doing things, who is to say that person is wrong? God's Word is not the final authority anymore.
As for Abigail, she was commended by David, not God, and she became a wife of the King, not the wife of the King. He had a small harem, and she was just one of his wives. Also, she did not disobey a direct order from her husband. If what you are saying is "faith stretching," it is putting faith in our feelings above God's Word. Then you call God's Word dead letters. This is a serious flaw in how you view scripture.
Not the old way of a dead letter brother...but in the new way of the SPIRIT. Isn't that what GOD'S WORD says? That's all I'm trying to show, and giving examples in GOD'S WORD. GOD'S WORD....which is ALIVE and active, not dead. And we are alive too if we are GROWING.....which we are commanded and need to do. self justification is of the letter . true obedience is BY THE SPIRIT . To remind folks to do the good and flee the evil is exactly what we do . seeing not the letter as a means to attain righteosuenss or be justified . But using the law as a means of correction . In truth , I think its quite possible some of us here already have our minds made up about others . I am trying to help both sides see something simple . Sis , lets slow down and make things a bit more simple . Its not the word or words of GOD that are dead , its that many are dead to the SPIRIT The simplicity of it all and the beauty of it is , JUST LEARN JESUS , have all faith in HIM , loving Him above all , and if we do , we love TRUTH , all things the SPIRIT did inspire . Not earning , BUT LIVING . The beauty of it all , is to follow CHRIST , for if we do and HEED the SPIRIT we would love and do all the things which please HIM . GOD has always desired that . and thus the new covenant was made , whereby the peoples who call upon the savoir , the LORD , will now have the SPIRIT by which if they are LED , they walk righteously . And yes they do warn and correct error and they do bring up the bad examples and say DO NOT THIS and the good examples and say DO THIS . BE HEARERS and DOERS of the Word . OF OUR LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 25, 2020 10:41:40 GMT -5
That was a overall general reminder . I wasn't saying anyone here is dead to the SPRIIT .
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Post by Giller on Feb 25, 2020 13:03:18 GMT -5
We hear a lot of claims of Catholicism this or Catholicism that, and in certain cases it is true, and she is heading the ecumenical movement that is for sure, she is bringing influences upon other churches that is true, but not everything comes from Catholicism.
Some things date way before Catholicism ever existed, and some things just get simply brought about by the works of the flesh, and of course the influence of Satan and his minions.
And ultimately it is because of the influence of Satan and his minions.
One example can be that, say that some guy forms a cult, he has no knowledge of Catholicism, does not read their stuff, but brings about into his cult things that are catholic like, yet he never got his stuff from Catholicism,
BUT RATHER HE OBVIOUSLY WAS INFLUENCED BY DEMONS, AND EVEN THROUGH THE WORKS OF THE FLESH, FOR THE WORKS OF THE FLESH ALL BY THEMSELVES CAN BRING ABOUT THINGS, IN FACT MOST THINGS COME BY THAT WAY ANYWAY.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 15:07:20 GMT -5
Not the old way of a dead letter brother...but in the new way of the SPIRIT. Isn't that what GOD'S WORD says? That's all I'm trying to show, and giving examples in GOD'S WORD. GOD'S WORD....which is ALIVE and active, not dead. And we are alive too if we are GROWING.....which we are commanded and need to do. self justification is of the letter . true obedience is BY THE SPIRIT . To remind folks to do the good and flee the evil is exactly what we do . seeing not the letter as a means to attain righteosuenss or be justified . But using the law as a means of correction . In truth , I think its quite possible some of us here already have our minds made up about others . I am trying to help both sides see something simple . Sis , lets slow down and make things a bit more simple . Its not the word or words of GOD that are dead , its that many are dead to the SPIRIT The simplicity of it all and the beauty of it is , JUST LEARN JESUS , have all faith in HIM , loving Him above all , and if we do , we love TRUTH , all things the SPIRIT did inspire . Not earning , BUT LIVING . The beauty of it all , is to follow CHRIST , for if we do and HEED the SPIRIT we would love and do all the things which please HIM . GOD has always desired that . and thus the new covenant was made , whereby the peoples who call upon the savoir , the LORD , will now have the SPIRIT by which if they are LED , they walk righteously . And yes they do warn and correct error and they do bring up the bad examples and say DO NOT THIS and the good examples and say DO THIS . BE HEARERS and DOERS of the Word . OF OUR LORD . Brother, I would just mention or add, that it's not only self-justification and self-righteousness of the letter that is a problem, but it's when there is a ministration of death by the letter, then it's dealing death to others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 15:18:08 GMT -5
We hear a lot of claims of Catholicism this or Catholicism that, and in certain cases it is true, and she is heading the ecumenical movement that is for sure, she is bringing influences upon other churches that is true, but not everything comes from Catholicism. Some things date way before Catholicism ever existed, and some things just get simply brought about by the works of the flesh, and of course the influence of Satan and his minions. And ultimately it is because of the influence of Satan and his minions. One example can be that, say that some guy forms a cult, he has no knowledge of Catholicism, does not read their stuff, but brings about into his cult things that are catholic like, yet he never got his stuff from Catholicism, BUT RATHER HE OBVIOUSLY WAS INFLUENCED BY DEMONS, AND EVEN THROUGH THE WORKS OF THE FLESH, FOR THE WORKS OF THE FLESH ALL BY THEMSELVES CAN BRING ABOUT THINGS, IN FACT MOST THINGS COME BY THAT WAY ANYWAY. AMEN! Wow, praise the Lord, it's almost like you took the words right out of my heart....I was wanting to post this very same truth on the Traditions thread, but hadn't had the chance to get to it yet. Yes and amen....We are not wrestling with flesh and blood, not with a bad church or denomination or ministry, but with the same powers and principalities that dwells in all our flesh unless it gets crucified. All flesh is the same and that's why it always leads to the same end. And most just don't know what spirit they are of sometimes. Flesh and carnal mind is ENMITY with God and will always work against and persecute the things of His Spirit. Flesh is always the culprit because of what dwells in it.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 25, 2020 15:29:11 GMT -5
self justification is of the letter . true obedience is BY THE SPIRIT . To remind folks to do the good and flee the evil is exactly what we do . seeing not the letter as a means to attain righteosuenss or be justified . But using the law as a means of correction . In truth , I think its quite possible some of us here already have our minds made up about others . I am trying to help both sides see something simple . Sis , lets slow down and make things a bit more simple . Its not the word or words of GOD that are dead , its that many are dead to the SPIRIT The simplicity of it all and the beauty of it is , JUST LEARN JESUS , have all faith in HIM , loving Him above all , and if we do , we love TRUTH , all things the SPIRIT did inspire . Not earning , BUT LIVING . The beauty of it all , is to follow CHRIST , for if we do and HEED the SPIRIT we would love and do all the things which please HIM . GOD has always desired that . and thus the new covenant was made , whereby the peoples who call upon the savoir , the LORD , will now have the SPIRIT by which if they are LED , they walk righteously . And yes they do warn and correct error and they do bring up the bad examples and say DO NOT THIS and the good examples and say DO THIS . BE HEARERS and DOERS of the Word . OF OUR LORD . Brother, I would just mention or add, that it's not only self-justification and self-righteousness of the letter that is a problem, but it's when there is a ministration of death by the letter, then it's dealing death to others. make it easy . explain as you would to a six year old . What you mean by when their is a ministration of death by the letter . pretend I am six years old . make it simple .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 16:26:14 GMT -5
Brother, I would just mention or add, that it's not only self-justification and self-righteousness of the letter that is a problem, but it's when there is a ministration of death by the letter, then it's dealing death to others. make it easy . explain as you would to a six year old . What you mean by when their is a ministration of death by the letter . pretend I am six years old . make it simple . Ahhh....maybe some are not connecting with the corresponding scriptures, regarding some of the things I say...? Well here is what I'm talking about with this: 2Co 3:5-11
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; (ie, of His Spirit) Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
In a nutshell maybe we could say a ministration of death is a ministration of the flesh and carnal mind, rather than the Spirit. Gal 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
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Post by frienduff on Feb 25, 2020 18:56:33 GMT -5
make it easy . explain as you would to a six year old . What you mean by when their is a ministration of death by the letter . pretend I am six years old . make it simple . Ahhh....maybe some are not connecting with the corresponding scriptures, regarding some of the things I say...? Well here is what I'm talking about with this: 2Co 3:5-11
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; (ie, of His Spirit) Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
In a nutshell maybe we could say a ministration of death is a ministration of the flesh and carnal mind, rather than the Spirit. Gal 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Now for question number two . who here do you think is following this ministration of death and why . What I mean is some folks could, no wait they do on other sites , accuse me of following the Letter and flesh Just cause remind folks TO OBEY JESUS . To remind one to obey and that we must obey is not teaching by the flesh . or paul and many others were. You do know I have been accused of this . just for saying and reminding that who we obey is whose we are . They accuse me of trying to work out my salvation through fleshly means . PHEW WEE what a lie that is . But folks can become so fixated on certain points that any dire reminder to them becomes one who is simply doing the letter . WHEN IN TRUTH ITS NOT AT ALL . \We need to remember that .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 25, 2020 18:59:50 GMT -5
Paul , nor peter were minsitrators of death when they said , wives OBEY YOUR HUSBANDS , children OBEY your parents , CHRUCH OBEY JESUS . Folks need to be reminding on those things . Its this generation in large that has changed this approach . And we wont be heeding this generation .
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