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Post by John on May 13, 2020 21:47:43 GMT -5
Watchful you can say what you want about me, I know I follow the lord, and that my eyes are fully on Jesus, I may not be perfect, but I am sure serving him, I will not even give some big response to the previous posts that you said about me. If that is what you think of me, then so be it, I will not lose sleep over it, and I am trusting the Lord. And I care not to argue with you back and forth. Giller....I'm not thinking anything about you.....I addressed my posts to you to try and clarify what I meant in answer to the questions you asked....you've got the wrong end of the stick brother. Here is even my first post....it was not an attack....it was a caution about the speaker in the video you sent....but then a general word also cautioning and warning that we need to keep our eyes on Jesus rather than on the world per se: ________________________________________ As believers we really want to keep hold of heaven's perspective on things anyhow, and not give too much weight to conspiracy theories or it could lead us astray. It is the Lord who sends judgments and it is the Lord who raises and lowers kings and kingdoms, that's what He tells us in His word.....we need to give HIM His due glory and fear and not look to the world for answers or be leaning on our own understanding but acknowledge God and He will make our paths straight. As we keep our eyes on the Lord and follow Him, He will lead us and navigate us through whatever is going on in the world and that includes not receiving the mark of the beast. And actually I dont' believe it really matters what is going on in the world, I think we all can agree that it changes absolutely nothing about God's word, our obedience to Him, and His mandate for the church. Isa 8:11-13 This is what the LORD says to me with his strong hand upon me, warning me not to follow the way of this people: “Do not call conspiracy everything this people calls a conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread. ________________________________________________________________________________ Now here is your post agreeing with my point...so how can this all be an attack when you are in agreement: Your words: "Watchful, if we keep our eyes on the Lord completely, he will reveal both what is of him, and the hidden works of darkness, it is just the way it goes." Thought we were on the same page, at least in principle. Anyhow I was finished with this thread...it was a mistake to come back to answer your questions and clarify. I'm done now.
For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
I do not think this as saying not to seek to know of conspiracies. I take this to be saying that he is not to become part of an alliance with the people that they are making out of fear. I take this to indicate that the people are joining themselves together to fend off a common enemy, and God is telling Isaiah not to join with them, but to fear the Lord.
The way I look at this, I want to know what is taking place, including all that is happening with an economic system where you pay for things by having something in your right hand or forehead. The Lord warned us about this system that would come, and it makes no sense to warn us, and then tell us to put our head in the sand and not look out for it. It does matter. It matters if they have plans to put computer chips in people, or nanobots. People need to be aware of the similarity between those things and what is spoken of in Revelation, so they will not take a chance and allow it to be done to them. To me, this is just using common sense.
If you personally feel like you should not do that, maybe God is speaking this to you personally? Perhaps he wants you to ignore all that is happening around you, and just focus on prayer and seeking Him. I feel no such unction, but if you do, follow it. You should always obey God.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 14, 2020 6:08:45 GMT -5
Giller....I'm not thinking anything about you.....I addressed my posts to you to try and clarify what I meant in answer to the questions you asked....you've got the wrong end of the stick brother. Here is even my first post....it was not an attack....it was a caution about the speaker in the video you sent....but then a general word also cautioning and warning that we need to keep our eyes on Jesus rather than on the world per se: ________________________________________ As believers we really want to keep hold of heaven's perspective on things anyhow, and not give too much weight to conspiracy theories or it could lead us astray. It is the Lord who sends judgments and it is the Lord who raises and lowers kings and kingdoms, that's what He tells us in His word.....we need to give HIM His due glory and fear and not look to the world for answers or be leaning on our own understanding but acknowledge God and He will make our paths straight. As we keep our eyes on the Lord and follow Him, He will lead us and navigate us through whatever is going on in the world and that includes not receiving the mark of the beast. And actually I dont' believe it really matters what is going on in the world, I think we all can agree that it changes absolutely nothing about God's word, our obedience to Him, and His mandate for the church. Isa 8:11-13 This is what the LORD says to me with his strong hand upon me, warning me not to follow the way of this people: “Do not call conspiracy everything this people calls a conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread. ________________________________________________________________________________ Now here is your post agreeing with my point...so how can this all be an attack when you are in agreement: Your words: "Watchful, if we keep our eyes on the Lord completely, he will reveal both what is of him, and the hidden works of darkness, it is just the way it goes." Thought we were on the same page, at least in principle. Anyhow I was finished with this thread...it was a mistake to come back to answer your questions and clarify. I'm done now.
For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
I do not think this as saying not to seek to know of conspiracies...
Conspiracy theories often are full of doubts and they just present weak evidences that it is simply not enough (if true) and far from conclusive.
The goal of such?! To keep people distract at best.
It is not something I would bother to keep looking for.
If something is true (and if I need to know) God would make me know, there is no need to get into doubtful conversations where we reach no where.
As an example, look at flat earth, it has been debated for years and still they did not come to a conclusion.
“Remind them of these things,
charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.” - 2 Timothy 2:14
Blessings! |
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Post by watchful on May 14, 2020 6:11:37 GMT -5
Israel was split into two kingdoms at this time, the northern kingdom (Israel) and the southern kingdom (Judah)....the northern kingdom was making an alliance with Syria and conspiring together against Judah. God was telling Judah not to be worried or afraid of what Israel and Syria were up to but to keep their eyes and their trust on the Lord. Northern kingdom Israel was the majority of what used to be the nation as a whole....they were apostate.... and Judah at that time represented the remnant of faithful from the former nation as a whole.
That gives us a picture, doesn't it, if we think of it as a parable (ensample) depicting the church. It certainly is in line with the ways of Rome....apostate church in league with worldly powers to persecute the faithful branches. It's also the same way that the religious leaders of Jesus' day operated...getting a worldly power to do their dirty work for them and crucify Jesus. It tells us a few things about the spirit of apostasy...compromise with the world, friendship/unity with it, reliance on the arm of flesh, and enemies and betrayers of the those who remain faithful to the Lord and the truth.
We all should take the word of God personally. It is for all believers. Not for our mind of flesh (old man) but for our hearts (inner man)....it's the ENTRANCE of the word to our heart/spirit that gives light, so we need ears to hear what the Spirit is saying. It will correct us if we're veering off track and prevent us from veering off if we aren't...as long as we love the truth more than what we think we know, and receive it.
So to examine ourselves....are we relying on the arm of flesh to keep us...our own ability to spy out the world and what it's up to, our own ability to avoid the subtle wiles of the devil, our own ability to figure out what the mark of the beast is, etc? Or are we relying on the Lord? Or maybe we are trying to do both at the same time? That is really what this all boils down to. And please can we take Giller out of the picture, this is for everyone of us, a general reminder of truth for us all. His post just sort of sparked a reminder as a caution, and so we happened to be the ones dialoguing after that. I was so edified by my own post the other day, it was for me just as much as for anyone, it was understanding that came from the Lord, not from my own understanding, praise the Lord for His goodness and faithfulness to give us light for our path.
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Post by John on May 14, 2020 6:15:59 GMT -5
I went back to examine that passage from Isaiah 8:11-13...
For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
I do not think this as saying not to seek to know of conspiracies...
Conspiracy theories often are full of doubts and they just present weak evidences that it is simply not enough (if true) and far from conclusive.
The goal of such?! To keep people distract at best.
It is not something I would bother to keep looking for.
If something is true (and if I need to know) God would make me know, there is no need to get into doubtful conversations where we reach no where.
As an example, look at flat earth, it has been debated for years and still they did not come to a conclusion.
“Remind them of these things,
charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.” - 2 Timothy 2:14
Blessings! |
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Post by John on May 14, 2020 6:23:12 GMT -5
Israel was split into two kingdoms at this time, the northern kingdom (Israel) and the southern kingdom (Judah)....the northern kingdom was making an alliance with Syria and conspiring together against Judah. God was telling Judah not to be worried or afraid of what Israel and Syria were up to but to keep their eyes and their trust on the Lord. Northern kingdom Israel was the majority of what used to be the nation as a whole....they were apostate.... and Judah at that time represented the remnant of faithful from the former nation as a whole. That gives us a picture, doesn't it, if we think of it as a parable (ensample) depicting the church. It certainly is in line with the ways of Rome....apostate church in league with worldly powers to persecute the faithful branches. It's also the same way that the religious leaders of Jesus' day operated...getting a worldly power to do their dirty work for them and crucify Jesus. It tells us a few things about the spirit of apostasy...compromise with the world, friendship/unity with it, reliance on the arm of flesh, and enemies and betrayers of the those who remain faithful to the Lord and the truth. We all should take the word of God personally. It is for all believers. Not for our mind of flesh (old man) but for our hearts (inner man)....it's the ENTRANCE of the word to our heart/spirit that gives light, so we need ears to hear what the Spirit is saying. It will correct us if we're veering off track and prevent us from veering off if we aren't...as long as we love the truth more than what we think we know, and receive it. So to examine ourselves....are we relying on the arm of flesh to keep us...our own ability to spy out the world and what it's up to, our own ability to avoid the subtle wiles of the devil, our own ability to figure out what the mark of the beast is, etc? Or are we relying on the Lord? Or maybe we are trying to do both at the same time? That is really what this all boils down to. And please can we take Giller out of the picture, this is for everyone of us, a general reminder of truth for us all. His post just sort of sparked a reminder as a caution, and so we happened to be the ones dialoguing after that. I was so edified by my own post the other day, it was for me just as much as for anyone, it was understanding that came from the Lord, not from my own understanding, praise the Lord for His goodness and faithfulness to give us light for our path. |
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Post by solid on May 14, 2020 6:32:24 GMT -5
There are 2 ways to look at a story. There are the facts, and the speculation. We should be informed. That's not spreading conspiracies. What we need to avoid is saying we know covid 19 was produced in a lab or we know the vaccines to come are to inject bots. Share what you know and if you think there is possible danger, tell us why you think so and we can make up our minds what to do.
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Post by solid on May 14, 2020 6:35:41 GMT -5
I was so edified by my own post the other day, it was for me just as much as for anyone, it was understanding that came from the Lord, not from my own understanding, praise the Lord for His goodness and faithfulness to give us light for our path. That is nice that you were able to be blessed by what you wrote. |
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Post by John on May 14, 2020 6:51:05 GMT -5
There are 2 ways to look at a story. There are the facts, and the speculation. We should be informed. That's not spreading conspiracies. What we need to avoid is saying we know covid 19 was produced in a lab or we know the vaccines to come are to inject bots. Share what you know and if you think there is possible danger, tell us why you think so and we can make up our minds what to do.
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Post by solid on May 14, 2020 6:53:32 GMT -5
There are 2 ways to look at a story. There are the facts, and the speculation. We should be informed. That's not spreading conspiracies. What we need to avoid is saying we know covid 19 was produced in a lab or we know the vaccines to come are to inject bots. Share what you know and if you think there is possible danger, tell us why you think so and we can make up our minds what to do.
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Post by watchful on May 14, 2020 8:23:31 GMT -5
I was so edified by my own post the other day, it was for me just as much as for anyone, it was understanding that came from the Lord, not from my own understanding, praise the Lord for His goodness and faithfulness to give us light for our path. That is nice that you were able to be blessed by what you wrote. Amen. The issue is single-minded or double-minded, and I'm so confident now that we are to be single-minded, not double-minded, and have our trust entirely in Him, praise the Lord for His goodness to lead and guide His people, and Help us to grow. |
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Post by frienduff on May 14, 2020 8:24:24 GMT -5
NO HE WONT . OH dear triple sevens i am worried right now . You just dont know how woried i am . IF we begin to go down a trail which teaches us not the simplicity found in Christ , in that bible THEN WE can SO called THINK UP anything and THINK WE HEAR FROM GOD . when in truth , its our over active mind . Well you just let me know where my mind has been overactive here brother.....please point it out. And if anyone sees where I have contradicted scripture .....please point it out. Or is it possible you are just not clear on what I'm saying....I've tried to clarify, so see if any of that resolves your concerns.. I see what you are saying about conspiracy theories sister . there are several conspiriacies about corona . and yet some things they say might contain truth . but even with that being said , They can lead us into that direction . when in truth WE need to be LED in simply relying on GOD . HE will let us know what is going on . The bigger picture HE will give us . Men are coming up with theories and some are containing much truth and some are not . The thing is , i dont ever want to be LED into the direction of what some man is revelaing RATHER just TRUST IN GOD and let HIM reveal as HE will surely do so . And what we need to know HE will let us know and what we do not need to know , well we do not need to know . I watch vidoes to see end time signs . But most these conspiracy talks , i honestly can hardly sit through it . We need to simply trust in GOD . I think this is what you are saying as well . just from seeing things , i got unctions about the direction its all headed . IT IS TRUE , the globalist agenda IS being done right now and they are using corona . But its even clearer than that . in truth it is the dragon using men to set forth his own agenda . the powers to be are being run by the dragon and he is setting up and making His system for the beast , READY . That is how simple i will put it . Because there it is in simple truth . The dragon is making ready both his kingdom , system , and all peoples to join as one . |
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Post by watchful on May 14, 2020 8:29:11 GMT -5
There are 2 ways to look at a story. There are the facts, and the speculation. We should be informed. That's not spreading conspiracies. What we need to avoid is saying we know covid 19 was produced in a lab or we know the vaccines to come are to inject bots. Share what you know and if you think there is possible danger, tell us why you think so and we can make up our minds what to do.
Shouldn't we rather enquire of the Lord. We are not our own but were bought at a price. To begin with we are not to live by facts of this world, even if they are factual....we are to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. And the things that people say are certainly in doubt when we are not privy to their biases, agendas, motives or who they are working for. God knows all things though, so we can safely be led by Him and there is no question about believing or not believing Him since He is utterly trustworthy. |
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Post by 777 on May 14, 2020 8:30:34 GMT -5
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge... Hosea 4:6a
In full context, the Bible is speaking of the knowledge of God's laws, but the principal of being destroyed because of ignorance can be applied anywhere. It just makes sense to be informed about what is going on, so we can take measures to prepare for coming storms.
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Post by frienduff on May 14, 2020 8:31:30 GMT -5
I went back to examine that passage from Isaiah 8:11-13...
For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
I do not think this as saying not to seek to know of conspiracies...
Conspiracy theories often are full of doubts and they just present weak evidences that it is simply not enough (if true) and far from conclusive.
The goal of such?! To keep people distract at best.
It is not something I would bother to keep looking for.
If something is true (and if I need to know) God would make me know, there is no need to get into doubtful conversations where we reach no where.
As an example, look at flat earth, it has been debated for years and still they did not come to a conclusion.
“Remind them of these things,
charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.” - 2 Timothy 2:14
Blessings!That is simple truth my dear friend . And its one we would be wise to heed . Let us keep it simple . What we are seeing in the world done through elites and so forth IS simply the dragon at work through spirits . having convinced the elite leaders of the world that the time is ripe for a one humnaity mindset . And the truth is , all men who know not Christ , well they follow this other spirit . So it is better to just keep it simple . cause we can run the risk of falsely accusing one . Now i know george sorros has a god complex and does think he is the collective conscious of the world . CAUSE He SAID SO . There are men i have watched like francis the pope who actually say dangerous deadly things . But we do not want to falsely accuse one . Their fruits will always bear witness to who they truly follow . And the dragon truly is the one behind this entire world unity humanity that is all in the world and in the religoins and even within BIG TIME so called christanity . We do not war against flesh and blood , but its against the spiritual powers that run most men . SO we need to focus on OUR LORD and HE will reveal to us what we need to know , WHEN we need to know . |
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Post by frienduff on May 14, 2020 8:40:23 GMT -5
I know what you are saying, and for the most part agree, but there are times where you can connect the dots. I appreciate Giller sharing those videos. Believe them if you want or do not believe them.
Shouldn't we rather enquire of the Lord. We are not our own but were bought at a price. To begin with we are not to live by facts of this world, even if they are factual....we are to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. And the things that people say are certainly in doubt when we are not privy to their biases, agendas, motives or who they are working for. God knows all things though, so we can safely be led by Him and there is no question about believing or not believing Him since He is utterly trustworthy. actually a very good idea sister . WHY dont we pray unto GOD , and ask Him to reveal to us what it is we need to know . He will reveal as we ought to know , and if there is no need for us to know , well then we dont need to know . We can weigh and determine what men are saying , its just we cannot TRUST IN them , nor rely on it . We must simply test all that is said . AND if we truly want to know what is going on , THEN PRAY and ask . God will reveal what we NEED to know . the key is what we NEED to know . And WHEN we need to know it . If any does bring a vidoe to show us , let it be just for the purpose of exposing end time signs and so forth . And i am going to give some advice to us all . Let us not bring advice from those in other religions . There is no way THEY are knowing ALL TRUTH concerning this matter , THEY FOLLOW another god . As far as letting folks know what might be IN a shot or etc , and to avoid such things , i got zero problems with that . They themselves , I watched , have spoken of putting something a dye of sorts into this shot and it will determine who has been vacinated or not . NOW that was their own words . AND that is bad news , let alone some other things IN IT . Every alarm bell sounds and says , DO NOT TAKE THIS SHOT PEROID . GOD will get us through my dear sister . HE IS IN CONTROL . HE TRULY IS . SO that is where MY TRUST WILL BE . |
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