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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 23, 2020 8:43:42 GMT -5
Now it is true that some men and even women will lust no matter what, but if one does their part that is all one can do, and I mean this for men also. Luk 6:31 (31) And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. If you want people to rightly respect you, show a right type of respect also, if you do not want people to lust after you, be an example of not purposely provoking such things, and so on and so forth. And concerning dresses, there is no law of how long the dress should be, such as it having to be down to the ground, so it is not about a specific length but at the same time you do have to be careful of the length, for if things are too short, it will be revealing, and mini skirts are not modest. So our thoughts should not be of, this is my body and I will do what I want with it, it is not about this selfish attitude at all, but rather it is about being an example to all, but an example to were you become that example in reality, and not just doing things for a while so you do not offend. The witness you want is this, to were people can look at you and say, hmmm there is something different about that person, they must be a Christian, but sadly to say, there are too many who are destroying the true Christian witness. Sometimes in Christian circles they are so engulfed about men's opinions and wordliness that they forget that their whole lives belong to God, and not just part of their lives. I am heavily influenced by the Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness standards. Not because I have to. But I know I'm in good conscience when I used them as a loose guide. Some of the most beautiful clothes on Earth are quite modest. I have yet to feel restricted
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 23, 2020 9:16:42 GMT -5
Make no mistake.
Women have creative ways of operating even under the strictest modesty rules.
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Post by Giller on Apr 23, 2020 9:39:03 GMT -5
One key verse to take heed to is this one: 1Ti 2:9 (9) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; Here is the Greek definition of the word modest: (Thayer's Greek definitions)
(G2887 κόσμιος kosmios
Thayer Definition:
1) well arranged, seemly, modest Part of Speech: adjective A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2889 (in its primary sense))
Now modest apparel, can be nice looking apparel, and as John mentioned it does not have to be bathing suits that looks like old granny ones, but it must be decent, not provocative, not for the purpose of seeking the wrong kind of attention. And then there is people who have to wear the most costly apparel and so on, just to show off. Humbleness does not seek attention, seeks to be modest, and seeks to be an example to all. Just think about what is pleasing in God's sight, and then we won't be the focus of attention, and then man made opinions just fall off, because man or ourselves are no longer the focus. I think the key is balance. I know some women that purposely try to look unattractive because of modesty misdirection. What modesty cannot be is sin prevention. Otherwise women can never leave the house. Well the key is obeying what the Lord says, and sure woman can leave the house and do whatever they ought to do. And yes clothes does not have to be ugly, and someone can look nice. And if you obeyed the Lord, than whatever someone else does is on them.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 23, 2020 9:40:29 GMT -5
One key verse to take heed to is this one: 1Ti 2:9 (9) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; Here is the Greek definition of the word modest: (Thayer's Greek definitions)
(G2887 κόσμιος kosmios
Thayer Definition:
1) well arranged, seemly, modest Part of Speech: adjective A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2889 (in its primary sense))
Now modest apparel, can be nice looking apparel, and as John mentioned it does not have to be bathing suits that looks like old granny ones, but it must be decent, not provocative, not for the purpose of seeking the wrong kind of attention. And then there is people who have to wear the most costly apparel and so on, just to show off. Humbleness does not seek attention, seeks to be modest, and seeks to be an example to all. Just think about what is pleasing in God's sight, and then we won't be the focus of attention, and then man made opinions just fall off, because man or ourselves are no longer the focus. I think the key is balance. I know some women that purposely try to look unattractive because of modesty misdirection. What modesty cannot be is sin prevention. Otherwise women can never leave the house. The other side is female responsibility. If you're just super immodest, what is your Christian brother supposed to do??? I have no idea how some brothers make it during the summer. Avoid the malls?
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Post by Giller on Apr 23, 2020 9:50:04 GMT -5
I would not go as far as avoiding all malls and stuff, and I personally go to malls, but of course there are some places that Christians should not even go into, such as bars and so on.
So it is up to the individual in deciding were or not to go in the overall.
But there are times were someone has to avoid such and such a place., and some places were Christians should not go.
And I personally want to please the Lord in all I do, I do not want to look at women in a not good way, and I personally do not go there, I personally do not look (in a certain way), and not purposefully, for I do not want to.
But even women do look, we cannot forget women, and often times in this area the focus just seems to be on the man, but I know of women who look.
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Post by Giller on Apr 23, 2020 9:53:52 GMT -5
God's standard is not even being a little immodest, but just to be modest.
Because that is what the word says to be.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 23, 2020 9:54:25 GMT -5
I would not go as far as avoiding all malls and stuff, and I personally go to malls, but of course there are some places that Christians should not even go into, such as bars and so on. So it is up to the individual in deciding were or not to go in the overall. But there are times were someone has to avoid such and such a place., and some places were Christians should not go. And I personally want to please the Lord in all I do, I do not want to look at women in a not good way, and I personally do not go there, I personally do not look (in a certain way), and not purposefully, for I do not want to. But even women do look, we cannot forget women, and often times in this area the focus just seems to be on the man, but I know of women who look. It's not loving to be immodest. I find that to be a better motivation.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 23, 2020 9:57:15 GMT -5
When teaching modesty
I think it's beneficial to focus on the positive.
We keep a treasure hidden, not on display and vulnerable.
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Post by Giller on Apr 23, 2020 9:59:21 GMT -5
I would not go as far as avoiding all malls and stuff, and I personally go to malls, but of course there are some places that Christians should not even go into, such as bars and so on. So it is up to the individual in deciding were or not to go in the overall. But there are times were someone has to avoid such and such a place., and some places were Christians should not go. And I personally want to please the Lord in all I do, I do not want to look at women in a not good way, and I personally do not go there, I personally do not look (in a certain way), for I do not want to. But even women do look, we cannot forget women, and often times in this area the focus just seems to be on the man, but I know of women who look. It's not loving to be immodest. I find that to be a better motivation. Yes loving God's ways, thus if you love God's ways, you will hate what is contrary. So yes it is not loving to be immodest, for that should be naturally in us as a Christian.
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Post by Giller on Apr 23, 2020 10:00:11 GMT -5
When teaching modesty I think it's beneficial to focus on the positive. We keep a treasure hidden, not on display and vulnerable. Well I think you have to focus on both, for the word focuses on both the positive and the negative.
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Post by Giller on Apr 23, 2020 10:01:20 GMT -5
I love what you said here:"We keep a treasure hidden, not on display and vulnerable."
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Post by Giller on Apr 23, 2020 10:07:56 GMT -5
It is about giving ourselves over completely to what God's says, God's says it, I accept it, now it is part of my life.
Loving God and his word.
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Post by Giller on Apr 23, 2020 10:29:00 GMT -5
For myself, when I go to a beach, which we often times tend to try to go were there is less people, I have decent, modest shorts, and I wear a shirt or something like that.
And I have heard of women being attracted to men's muscular chests.
In fact I think it was somewhere in the 90's were women were making the excuse of since men can go topless, women should to.
And in truth some women do truly lust over a man, if he has a muscular chest.
But for myself I want to be an example, and give no excuse for women to go topless, and frankly why do I want to show my chest to people.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 23, 2020 10:51:38 GMT -5
When teaching modesty I think it's beneficial to focus on the positive. We keep a treasure hidden, not on display and vulnerable. Well I think you have to focus on both, for the word focuses on both the positive and the negative. But it's rough out here.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 23, 2020 11:22:00 GMT -5
Well I think you have to focus on both, for the word focuses on both the positive and the negative. But it's rough out here. Many people have been traumatized with the Bible. I have no issue with biblical preaching that is also therapeutic. The Word of God is a Sword. But let's be a balm.
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