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Post by frienduff on Jul 6, 2020 18:21:11 GMT -5
I tried to tell us they are all in it together . every day that passes by more and more of them will keep doing things that point us right to ROME . They came in among us , its how they decieve man . Francis chan is a legend to some folks . i never wanted anything to do with his doctrine . always smelled a whiff that something is not right . WELL here WE GO another apostate shows its colors .
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Post by John on Jul 6, 2020 18:51:49 GMT -5
I have never heard this guy, but he is being pulled right in to the delusion.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 6, 2020 19:31:13 GMT -5
I have never heard this guy, but he is being pulled right in to the delusion. Indeed he is my friend . Its battle time . just keep on with all those biblical reminders my friend . And let us rejoice in our LORD .
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Post by naominash3 on Jul 6, 2020 20:09:29 GMT -5
Dis-like. Insta_dislike.
Francis Chan has helped me grow as a believer.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 6, 2020 21:38:41 GMT -5
Dis-like. Insta_dislike. Francis Chan has helped me grow as a believer. this is why i warn folks . be on guard . because francis could say truths at times . just like all false ones can . just like todd white can , or even the pope can . But they are there to decieve us sister . it is sad to have to see it . it really is . i pray that man comes out of that lie and fast . But i am telling us that many leaders already work for rome and this unity stuff . I am sad for them , but i must expose them so no one will listen to them ever again . I pray they repent , but till they do , i must warn out against them .
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Post by naominash3 on Jul 7, 2020 0:04:52 GMT -5
Dis-like. Insta_dislike. Francis Chan has helped me grow as a believer. this is why i warn folks . be on guard . because francis could say truths at times . just like all false ones can . just like todd white can , or even the pope can . But they are there to decieve us sister . it is sad to have to see it . it really is . i pray that man comes out of that lie and fast . But i am telling us that many leaders already work for rome and this unity stuff . I am sad for them , but i must expose them so no one will listen to them ever again . I pray they repent , but till they do , i must warn out against them . It's okay brother. My main source of teaching is the bible an you all.
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Post by ohhello on Jul 7, 2020 7:46:39 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing this. The delusion is growing.
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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 7:49:09 GMT -5
If only that man understood the Lord's supper properly with the help of the Holy Spirit, it might help him not to look to the Catholic church. He is on to something and is partly right, but if he thinks the Catholics have it right it will trip him up.
None of the churches have this quite right, not catholicism nor protestantism. Why we need to come out from under the bushel of them all in order for the light to get through to us.
The Lord helped me greatly to understand the Lord’s supper when it dawned on me one day that the temple sacrifices had to be eaten by the worshipers (or the priests ate on behalf of the worshipers) in order for the sacrifice to be applied to them:
1Co 10:18
Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
And remember the children of Israel in Egypt with the lamb’s blood on their doorposts were instructed to eat the lamb at that first Passover.
Now we can understand why Jesus (the Lamb of God) said we must eat His body and drink His blood in order to have life. Eating it is His sacrifice being applied to us and how the Lord ordained that we partake of that sacrifice.
Jhn 6:51-57
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Luk 22:15-20
And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Act 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart
Luk 24:35
And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Act 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
1Co 11:23-34
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
There is power in partaking of the body and blood of Christ….but it is not transubstantiation as the Catholic church wrongly teaches, rather it is by proxy. The bread and wine stand in by proxy for the body and blood of Jesus, and the Lord accepts the offering AS IF it is His body and blood, even though it actually is only bread and wine. So we need to think in terms of proxy, not transubstantiation. Eating and drinking the bread and wine is a prophetic act, like baptism is a prophetic act for the burial and resurrection of our old man into a new man, which seals in spirit, so to speak, the death of the old man and resurrection of the new man. Likewise there is power in the Lord’s supper, it is like a re-freshing (re-membrance/re-calling) of Jesus’ sacrifice every time we partake, if we partake worthily and by faith….ie, reverently discerning His body and blood, and with self-examination and acknowledging our need of His sacrifice, examining ourselves and confessing/acknowledging any sins or faults that come to light, so that the re-application of His sacrifice can cleanse us anew so to speak. Like a re-newing of the sacrifice to us. The Lord's supper is a spiritual weapon in our arsenal. (Perhaps this is one way in which He washes our feet even though we have had the bath and why it was at that passover that He washed the disciple's feet!)
Those many who fell asleep because of taking communion unworthily and not discerning the Lord’s body…shows that there is power (life) in it as Jesus said. So it is a holy thing and needs to be partaken of reverently (not to be taken lightly)....it's symbolic only insofar as the bread and wine stand in for the Body and Blood of Jesus, but it is not merely a symbolic act, it is much more than that...there is life/power in it.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:04:54 GMT -5
this is why i warn folks . be on guard . because francis could say truths at times . just like all false ones can . just like todd white can , or even the pope can . But they are there to decieve us sister . it is sad to have to see it . it really is . i pray that man comes out of that lie and fast . But i am telling us that many leaders already work for rome and this unity stuff . I am sad for them , but i must expose them so no one will listen to them ever again . I pray they repent , but till they do , i must warn out against them . It's okay brother. My main source of teaching is the bible an you all. I know sister . but go ahead and FLEE chan . just do it . no longer listen to him . I have wept for another who was under Todd as well . I know this other person was not of satan , but i saw the dangers she was headed into and so i warned . just have nothing to do with them anymore . BUT DO PRAY for their soul . DO THAT . DO pray for them to repent and Come to Christ .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:10:45 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing this. The delusion is growing. YES IT IS SISTER . ITS SPIKING BIG TIME . they gonna turn on every fundamental lamb . I feel so sad , because soon i too will be betrayed by one i love dearly . My soul will weep for them . But this seducing spirit is simply gonna turn everyone who is not following JESUS and reading those bibles against me . This is going to be very hard on me . just like it was when pete betrayed me . I wept for that man . but in the end he turned against me . It will happen again and soon . WE have got to get away from any hope that is not JESUS CENTERED . Yall have no idea how sad this is for me and how hard it is on me to watch one i love fall . But this is my lott in life and i must and will embrace ONLY JESUS . HECK its all of our lot . We just gonna be turned on by even those we love most . My betrayal will come from a friend who was with me and stood strong in the Lord but could not let go of what i was warning them to let go off . and that seducing spirit will convince them something is off with me and it will and it has been working on them and will in time turn them against me . This is so sad for me . I weep not for me because i have all hope in the LORD . i weep for them .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:13:56 GMT -5
Narrow way will be divided . this breaks my heart . but i cannot stop what is coming . the call of the seducing spirit which puts mans heart upon the hope of man , cannot be stopped . Its so hard for me to have to see this . my prayer is and has been , please do not let this happen . i had rather be dead than to see it happen . SO my plea is that we will just go back into bibles and stop listening to men who would preach truths and yet lies tooo .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:19:37 GMT -5
we cant heed men who wont even read their bibles . if one here wont just return to that bible , but just keeps on touting their lines . ITS TIME they go . but the worst thing we can do is commune with them in private . i watched pete fall because of this . and we got a dangerous one amongst us . they will not return to bible only reading even though several have told them too . they just keep on preaching their stuff. And worse its being allowed . this is gonna cause a huge rift , here on narrow way . and my soul is weeping even now . enough with this lets get along stuff . If i came preaching OSAS or any other doctrine that is contrary , Get rid of me , specially if even after you all warned me to read my bible and i refused . NOPE , get rid of me too if i do that . we have got to protect the flock .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:23:24 GMT -5
If only that man understood the Lord's supper properly with the help of the Holy Spirit, it might help him not to look to the Catholic church. He is on to something and is partly right, but if he thinks the Catholics have it right it will trip him up. None of the churches have this quite right, not catholicism nor protestantism. Why we need to come out from under the bushel of them all in order for the light to get through to us. The Lord helped me greatly to understand the Lord’s supper when it dawned on me one day that the temple sacrifices had to be eaten by the worshipers (or the priests ate on behalf of the worshipers) in order for the sacrifice to be applied to them: 1Co 10:18
Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
And remember the children of Israel in Egypt with the lamb’s blood on their doorposts were instructed to eat the lamb at that first Passover. Now we can understand why Jesus (the Lamb of God) said we must eat His body and drink His blood in order to have life. Eating it is His sacrifice being applied to us and how the Lord ordained that we partake of that sacrifice. Jhn 6:51-57
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Luk 22:15-20
And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Act 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart
Luk 24:35
And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Act 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
1Co 11:23-34
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
There is power in partaking of the body and blood of Christ….but it is not transubstantiation as the Catholic church wrongly teaches, rather it is by proxy. The bread and wine stand in by proxy for the body and blood of Jesus, and the Lord accepts the offering AS IF it is His body and blood, even though it actually is only bread and wine. So we need to think in terms of proxy, not transubstantiation. Eating and drinking the bread and wine is a prophetic act, like baptism is a prophetic act for the burial and resurrection of our old man into a new man, which seals in spirit, so to speak, the death of the old man and resurrection of the new man. Likewise there is power in the Lord’s supper, it is like a re-freshing (re-membrance/re-calling) of Jesus’ sacrifice every time we partake, if we partake worthily and by faith….ie, reverently discerning His body and blood, and with self-examination and acknowledging our need of His sacrifice, examining ourselves and confessing/acknowledging any sins or faults that come to light, so that the re-application of His sacrifice can cleanse us anew so to speak. Like a re-newing of the sacrifice to us. The Lord's supper is a spiritual weapon in our arsenal. (Perhaps this is one way in which He washes our feet even though we have had the bath and why it was at that passover that He washed the disciple's feet!) Those many who fell asleep because of taking communion unworthily and not discerning the Lord’s body…shows that there is power (life) in it as Jesus said. So it is a holy thing and needs to be partaken of reverently (not to be taken lightly)....it's symbolic only insofar as the bread and wine stand in for the Body and Blood of Jesus, but it is not merely a symbolic act, it is much more than that...there is life/power in it. the man works for ROME . he is putting on a show to seduce them . its that simple . that is all this is . and all this is , it is . he is a charlaton doing what they do best . Putting it into a experintial form , making it seem like some kind of big revelation and yet points to ROME , without saying HE POINTS TO ROME . SEE the wolves for what they are . no man under the HOLY SPIRIT would do this . none .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 13:27:22 GMT -5
If only that man understood the Lord's supper properly with the help of the Holy Spirit, it might help him not to look to the Catholic church. He is on to something and is partly right, but if he thinks the Catholics have it right it will trip him up. None of the churches have this quite right, not catholicism nor protestantism. Why we need to come out from under the bushel of them all in order for the light to get through to us. The Lord helped me greatly to understand the Lord’s supper when it dawned on me one day that the temple sacrifices had to be eaten by the worshipers (or the priests ate on behalf of the worshipers) in order for the sacrifice to be applied to them: 1Co 10:18
Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
And remember the children of Israel in Egypt with the lamb’s blood on their doorposts were instructed to eat the lamb at that first Passover. Now we can understand why Jesus (the Lamb of God) said we must eat His body and drink His blood in order to have life. Eating it is His sacrifice being applied to us and how the Lord ordained that we partake of that sacrifice. Jhn 6:51-57
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Luk 22:15-20
And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Act 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart
Luk 24:35
And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Act 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
1Co 11:23-34
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
There is power in partaking of the body and blood of Christ….but it is not transubstantiation as the Catholic church wrongly teaches, rather it is by proxy. The bread and wine stand in by proxy for the body and blood of Jesus, and the Lord accepts the offering AS IF it is His body and blood, even though it actually is only bread and wine. So we need to think in terms of proxy, not transubstantiation. Eating and drinking the bread and wine is a prophetic act, like baptism is a prophetic act for the burial and resurrection of our old man into a new man, which seals in spirit, so to speak, the death of the old man and resurrection of the new man. Likewise there is power in the Lord’s supper, it is like a re-freshing (re-membrance/re-calling) of Jesus’ sacrifice every time we partake, if we partake worthily and by faith….ie, reverently discerning His body and blood, and with self-examination and acknowledging our need of His sacrifice, examining ourselves and confessing/acknowledging any sins or faults that come to light, so that the re-application of His sacrifice can cleanse us anew so to speak. Like a re-newing of the sacrifice to us. The Lord's supper is a spiritual weapon in our arsenal. (Perhaps this is one way in which He washes our feet even though we have had the bath and why it was at that passover that He washed the disciple's feet!) Those many who fell asleep because of taking communion unworthily and not discerning the Lord’s body…shows that there is power (life) in it as Jesus said. So it is a holy thing and needs to be partaken of reverently (not to be taken lightly)....it's symbolic only insofar as the bread and wine stand in for the Body and Blood of Jesus, but it is not merely a symbolic act, it is much more than that...there is life/power in it. SPOT ON RIGHT SISTER . we need to come OUT from them in order to see this clearly . have i got a vidoe for you . its wont teach you , cause you already know this , but it might help us see how this got really big into churches . ITS ON THE WAY SISTER . now i dont know this man , so i do not promote him as a true teacher or etc . BUT the information is what i send .
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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 14:59:38 GMT -5
Narrow way will be divided . this breaks my heart . but i cannot stop what is coming . the call of the seducing spirit which puts mans heart upon the hope of man , cannot be stopped . Its so hard for me to have to see this . my prayer is and has been , please do not let this happen . i had rather be dead than to see it happen . SO my plea is that we will just go back into bibles and stop listening to men who would preach truths and yet lies tooo . I'm so grateful that the Lord got me to stop listening to all voices but His alone. It wasn't until He pulled me out of the churches and I started seeking Him alone, laying everything on the altar that I had been taught, and asking Him for the truth, that He began to really start opening my eyes to His word and the true gospel. There are so many voices and so many different cultural gospels out there, with their different little takes and angles, and emphases, but the pure rightly balanced gospel is found in scripture....we need to get back to the plumbline and "sit under" nobody but Jesus. He's alive and He is with every believer.
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