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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 15:07:01 GMT -5
If only that man understood the Lord's supper properly with the help of the Holy Spirit, it might help him not to look to the Catholic church. He is on to something and is partly right, but if he thinks the Catholics have it right it will trip him up. None of the churches have this quite right, not catholicism nor protestantism. Why we need to come out from under the bushel of them all in order for the light to get through to us. The Lord helped me greatly to understand the Lord’s supper when it dawned on me one day that the temple sacrifices had to be eaten by the worshipers (or the priests ate on behalf of the worshipers) in order for the sacrifice to be applied to them: 1Co 10:18
Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
And remember the children of Israel in Egypt with the lamb’s blood on their doorposts were instructed to eat the lamb at that first Passover. Now we can understand why Jesus (the Lamb of God) said we must eat His body and drink His blood in order to have life. Eating it is His sacrifice being applied to us and how the Lord ordained that we partake of that sacrifice. Jhn 6:51-57
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Luk 22:15-20
And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Act 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart
Luk 24:35
And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Act 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
1Co 11:23-34
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
There is power in partaking of the body and blood of Christ….but it is not transubstantiation as the Catholic church wrongly teaches, rather it is by proxy. The bread and wine stand in by proxy for the body and blood of Jesus, and the Lord accepts the offering AS IF it is His body and blood, even though it actually is only bread and wine. So we need to think in terms of proxy, not transubstantiation. Eating and drinking the bread and wine is a prophetic act, like baptism is a prophetic act for the burial and resurrection of our old man into a new man, which seals in spirit, so to speak, the death of the old man and resurrection of the new man. Likewise there is power in the Lord’s supper, it is like a re-freshing (re-membrance/re-calling) of Jesus’ sacrifice every time we partake, if we partake worthily and by faith….ie, reverently discerning His body and blood, and with self-examination and acknowledging our need of His sacrifice, examining ourselves and confessing/acknowledging any sins or faults that come to light, so that the re-application of His sacrifice can cleanse us anew so to speak. Like a re-newing of the sacrifice to us. The Lord's supper is a spiritual weapon in our arsenal. (Perhaps this is one way in which He washes our feet even though we have had the bath and why it was at that passover that He washed the disciple's feet!) Those many who fell asleep because of taking communion unworthily and not discerning the Lord’s body…shows that there is power (life) in it as Jesus said. So it is a holy thing and needs to be partaken of reverently (not to be taken lightly)....it's symbolic only insofar as the bread and wine stand in for the Body and Blood of Jesus, but it is not merely a symbolic act, it is much more than that...there is life/power in it. the man works for ROME . he is putting on a show to seduce them . its that simple . that is all this is . and all this is , it is . he is a charlaton doing what they do best . Putting it into a experintial form , making it seem like some kind of big revelation and yet points to ROME , without saying HE POINTS TO ROME . SEE the wolves for what they are . no man under the HOLY SPIRIT would do this . none . That young priest was sure making hay of it. It just goes to show how important it is to understand the truth....maybe if Chan understood the truth about the Lord's supper he might not be in the process of being seduced by Catholicism. (If that is what is drawing him....I don't know his ministry or what his beliefs are etc.)
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 15:40:18 GMT -5
Narrow way will be divided . this breaks my heart . but i cannot stop what is coming . the call of the seducing spirit which puts mans heart upon the hope of man , cannot be stopped . Its so hard for me to have to see this . my prayer is and has been , please do not let this happen . i had rather be dead than to see it happen . SO my plea is that we will just go back into bibles and stop listening to men who would preach truths and yet lies tooo . I'm so grateful that the Lord got me to stop listening to all voices but His alone. It wasn't until He pulled me out of the churches and I started seeking Him alone, laying everything on the altar that I had been taught, and asking Him for the truth, that He began to really start opening my eyes to His word and the true gospel. There are so many voices and so many different cultural gospels out there, with their different little takes and angles, and emphases, but the pure rightly balanced gospel is found in scripture....we need to get back to the plumbline and "sit under" nobody but Jesus. He's alive and He is with every believer. Sister there is a lonely post up there . the one where i said francis chan is an agent of rome . HE IS . HE TRULY IS .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 15:42:53 GMT -5
the man works for ROME . he is putting on a show to seduce them . its that simple . that is all this is . and all this is , it is . he is a charlaton doing what they do best . Putting it into a experintial form , making it seem like some kind of big revelation and yet points to ROME , without saying HE POINTS TO ROME . SEE the wolves for what they are . no man under the HOLY SPIRIT would do this . none . That young priest was sure making hay of it. It just goes to show how important it is to understand the truth....maybe if Chan understood the truth about the Lord's supper he might not be in the process of being seduced by Catholicism. (If that is what is drawing him....I don't know his ministry or what his beliefs are etc.) OH i understand dear sister . so how about i tell you who some of his companions are . TODD WHITE . YEAH , they all working for rome sister . they all in it together . back even in twenty sixteen . they has this massive ecuminial all inclusive love fest , which pope francis endorsed . FRANCIS CHAN was one of the many names and speakers . SIS , they in bed with ROME . and i go to declare war against this false move . I am the next wild boar sister . they gonna hate me , but out of love i must warn .
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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 17:01:42 GMT -5
I'm so grateful that the Lord got me to stop listening to all voices but His alone. It wasn't until He pulled me out of the churches and I started seeking Him alone, laying everything on the altar that I had been taught, and asking Him for the truth, that He began to really start opening my eyes to His word and the true gospel. There are so many voices and so many different cultural gospels out there, with their different little takes and angles, and emphases, but the pure rightly balanced gospel is found in scripture....we need to get back to the plumbline and "sit under" nobody but Jesus. He's alive and He is with every believer. Sister there is a lonely post up there . the one where i said francis chan is an agent of rome . HE IS . HE TRULY IS . Sorry frienduff, i'm not disagreeing with you....just that I am not sure what you mean by an agent of Rome.....I personally can't say for sure if he has secretly converted to Catholicism and is deliberately leading the people to Rome or if he is coming under the deception and unwittingly leading the people down the same path he is going, back to Rome.....either way he should be avoided, I just don't know if I can say he is deliberately acting underhandedly. I know nothing about him at all, apart from this video clip....only that I have heard his name sometime over the years. There are more and more protestant churches going back to Rome, as you know it is part of the falling away.....the church as a whole is going under....strong delusion sent by the Lord......maybe a few won't drink the koolaid, Lord willing, but I believe this is the apostasy that was prophesied and why we need to get out of the churches in general so we don't receive of her plagues. The glory has departed and another spirit is moving in. It's awful to see.
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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 17:16:14 GMT -5
That young priest was sure making hay of it. It just goes to show how important it is to understand the truth....maybe if Chan understood the truth about the Lord's supper he might not be in the process of being seduced by Catholicism. (If that is what is drawing him....I don't know his ministry or what his beliefs are etc.) OH i understand dear sister . so how about i tell you who some of his companions are . TODD WHITE . YEAH , they all working for rome sister . they all in it together . back even in twenty sixteen . they has this massive ecuminial all inclusive love fest , which pope francis endorsed . FRANCIS CHAN was one of the many names and speakers . SIS , they in bed with ROME . and i go to declare war against this false move . I am the next wild boar sister . they gonna hate me , but out of love i must warn . They are infected then and should be avoided like the plague. One thing about Todd White.......I'm not someone who normally judges people by their appearance.......BUT the way he wears his hair is very extreme....it seems to be shouting paganism....in exactly the same way another Todd (Bentley) had tattoos all over his body....and his fruits finally showed themselves. Someone who even just looks like he does, well, let's just say I think we should be very careful...I would want some very strong proof that he is a true follower of Christ.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 18:00:32 GMT -5
Sister there is a lonely post up there . the one where i said francis chan is an agent of rome . HE IS . HE TRULY IS . Sorry frienduff, i'm not disagreeing with you....just that I am not sure what you mean by an agent of Rome.....I personally can't say for sure if he has secretly converted to Catholicism and is deliberately leading the people to Rome or if he is coming under the deception and unwittingly leading the people down the same path he is going, back to Rome.....either way he should be avoided, I just don't know if I can say he is deliberately acting underhandedly. I know nothing about him at all, apart from this video clip....only that I have heard his name sometime over the years. There are more and more protestant churches going back to Rome, as you know it is part of the falling away.....the church as a whole is going under....strong delusion sent by the Lord......maybe a few won't drink the koolaid, Lord willing, but I believe this is the apostasy that was prophesied and why we need to get out of the churches in general so we don't receive of her plagues. The glory has departed and another spirit is moving in. It's awful to see. Spot on right it is . your right sister . IT IS the delusion and one sip of that koolaide and it may as well be cyonide . He is an agent of rome . they put on this dog and pony show like they are one of us , but no , this is all a staged act . Now i am not saying that everyone that does this is an agent who purposefully knows and works for rome . but MANY are the rest are just going under the seducing spirit .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 18:06:06 GMT -5
OH i understand dear sister . so how about i tell you who some of his companions are . TODD WHITE . YEAH , they all working for rome sister . they all in it together . back even in twenty sixteen . they has this massive ecuminial all inclusive love fest , which pope francis endorsed . FRANCIS CHAN was one of the many names and speakers . SIS , they in bed with ROME . and i go to declare war against this false move . I am the next wild boar sister . they gonna hate me , but out of love i must warn . They are infected then and should be avoided like the plague. One thing about Todd White.......I'm not someone who normally judges people by their appearance.......BUT the way he wears his hair is very extreme....it seems to be shouting paganism....in exactly the same way another Todd (Bentley) had tattoos all over his body....and his fruits finally showed themselves. Someone who even just looks like he does, well, let's just say I think we should be very careful...I would want some very strong proof that he is a true follower of Christ. The proof is in the fruits . Did JESUS ever say to the apostels to kick a lady in the face with your combat boot to impart the HOLY SPIRIT into her . todd bentley is false . And he cheated on and left his wife for another woman who dances around and zips her head under a kundalini spirit . he never repented of it and married her as well . the fruits are very evident . And they were all infected with that toronto so called blessing . The one where folks were barking like dogs and acting like animals . Again the fruit NOT of the Holy Spirit . as you well know . I have seen nothing from todd bently for a long time . But todd black i see his work from time to time . And no way . as you already know .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 18:09:08 GMT -5
OH i understand dear sister . so how about i tell you who some of his companions are . TODD WHITE . YEAH , they all working for rome sister . they all in it together . back even in twenty sixteen . they has this massive ecuminial all inclusive love fest , which pope francis endorsed . FRANCIS CHAN was one of the many names and speakers . SIS , they in bed with ROME . and i go to declare war against this false move . I am the next wild boar sister . they gonna hate me , but out of love i must warn . They are infected then and should be avoided like the plague. One thing about Todd White.......I'm not someone who normally judges people by their appearance.......BUT the way he wears his hair is very extreme....it seems to be shouting paganism....in exactly the same way another Todd (Bentley) had tattoos all over his body....and his fruits finally showed themselves. Someone who even just looks like he does, well, let's just say I think we should be very careful...I would want some very strong proof that he is a true follower of Christ. I have examine a lot of the nar preachers . and i have never found one even remotely close to being true and of God . that oughtta scare the socks off a lot of folks . I examine prosperity preachers and never found a true one . Truth is , between all the prophets , so called teachers , i have never found one that did not massively fail , and not in just one point but in many points . the falling away is not coming , ITS HERE and it will only get worse . every last one of them will go into ecuminalism , all inclusive . you mark those words . UNLESS one repents , RIGHT INTO the all inclusive they will go
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Post by John on Jul 7, 2020 18:52:15 GMT -5
If only that man understood the Lord's supper properly with the help of the Holy Spirit, it might help him not to look to the Catholic church. He is on to something and is partly right, but if he thinks the Catholics have it right it will trip him up. None of the churches have this quite right, not catholicism nor protestantism. Why we need to come out from under the bushel of them all in order for the light to get through to us. The Lord helped me greatly to understand the Lord’s supper when it dawned on me one day that the temple sacrifices had to be eaten by the worshipers (or the priests ate on behalf of the worshipers) in order for the sacrifice to be applied to them: 1Co 10:18
Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
And remember the children of Israel in Egypt with the lamb’s blood on their doorposts were instructed to eat the lamb at that first Passover. Now we can understand why Jesus (the Lamb of God) said we must eat His body and drink His blood in order to have life. Eating it is His sacrifice being applied to us and how the Lord ordained that we partake of that sacrifice. Jhn 6:51-57
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Luk 22:15-20
And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Act 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart
Luk 24:35
And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Act 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
1Co 11:23-34
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
There is power in partaking of the body and blood of Christ….but it is not transubstantiation as the Catholic church wrongly teaches, rather it is by proxy. The bread and wine stand in by proxy for the body and blood of Jesus, and the Lord accepts the offering AS IF it is His body and blood, even though it actually is only bread and wine. So we need to think in terms of proxy, not transubstantiation. Eating and drinking the bread and wine is a prophetic act, like baptism is a prophetic act for the burial and resurrection of our old man into a new man, which seals in spirit, so to speak, the death of the old man and resurrection of the new man. Likewise there is power in the Lord’s supper, it is like a re-freshing (re-membrance/re-calling) of Jesus’ sacrifice every time we partake, if we partake worthily and by faith….ie, reverently discerning His body and blood, and with self-examination and acknowledging our need of His sacrifice, examining ourselves and confessing/acknowledging any sins or faults that come to light, so that the re-application of His sacrifice can cleanse us anew so to speak. Like a re-newing of the sacrifice to us. The Lord's supper is a spiritual weapon in our arsenal. (Perhaps this is one way in which He washes our feet even though we have had the bath and why it was at that passover that He washed the disciple's feet!) Those many who fell asleep because of taking communion unworthily and not discerning the Lord’s body…shows that there is power (life) in it as Jesus said. So it is a holy thing and needs to be partaken of reverently (not to be taken lightly)....it's symbolic only insofar as the bread and wine stand in for the Body and Blood of Jesus, but it is not merely a symbolic act, it is much more than that...there is life/power in it. Excellent observations. I was shown by the Lord how those who eat meats sacrificed to idols become one with the idol, and when we partake of communion, we become one with the Lord. There is power in communion, but I agree, not like the RCC teaches.
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Post by John on Jul 7, 2020 19:02:58 GMT -5
Narrow way will be divided . this breaks my heart . but i cannot stop what is coming . the call of the seducing spirit which puts mans heart upon the hope of man , cannot be stopped . Its so hard for me to have to see this . my prayer is and has been , please do not let this happen . i had rather be dead than to see it happen . SO my plea is that we will just go back into bibles and stop listening to men who would preach truths and yet lies tooo . It is funny you should say this, because it was not long ago that someone from WCF tried to turn me against you. This person came like they were a friend, and was just giving me supposedly helpful advise about not exposing WCF. This person tried to turn me against you, but I did not listen to him or take his counsel. I was told by this person he barely goes to WCF anymore and was not loyal to George, but I went over there and looked into his recent activity and found that was not true. This place need not be divided, but we need to be on guard over those who would put bugs in our ears. Most divisions come from misunderstandings.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 7, 2020 19:04:18 GMT -5
Narrow way will be divided . this breaks my heart . but i cannot stop what is coming . the call of the seducing spirit which puts mans heart upon the hope of man , cannot be stopped . Its so hard for me to have to see this . my prayer is and has been , please do not let this happen . i had rather be dead than to see it happen . SO my plea is that we will just go back into bibles and stop listening to men who would preach truths and yet lies tooo . It is funny you should say this, because it was not long ago that someone from WCF tried to turn me against you. This person came like they were a friend, and was just giving me supposedly helpful advise about not exposing WCF. This person tried to turn me against you, but I did not listen to him or take his counsel. I was told by this person he barely goes to WCF anymore and was not loyal to George, but I went over there and looked into his recent activity and found that was not true. This place need not be divided, but we need to be on guard over those who would put bugs in our ears. Most divisions come from misunderstandings. the seducing spirit wants to pit lambs against lambs , its wants our unity and fellowship with it . but lambs cannot and will not heed such a voice . HANDS up and praise the LORD .
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Post by John on Jul 7, 2020 19:11:32 GMT -5
It is funny you should say this, because it was not long ago that someone from WCF tried to turn me against you. This person came like they were a friend, and was just giving me supposedly helpful advise about not exposing WCF. This person tried to turn me against you, but I did not listen to him or take his counsel. I was told by this person he barely goes to WCF anymore and was not loyal to George, but I went over there and looked into his recent activity and found that was not true. This place need not be divided, but we need to be on guard over those who would put bugs in our ears. Most divisions come from misunderstandings. the seducing spirit wants to pit lambs against lambs , its wants our unity and fellowship with it . but lambs cannot and will not heed such a voice . HANDS up and praise the LORD . This is not WCF, and I am not George. I find his way of doing things abhorrent. I know that you kept saying that you were going to be banned or placed on moderator review and you were banished to Mars Hill over there, but I have no intentions of joining with Rome or the all inclusive movement.
Something that needs to be made clear. Do not take my allowing people to remain that do not believe exactly as I do for going along with them. We have our SOF, and that is our protection. I have never had a rule in place that just believing in OSAS means you cannot be a member or post. I just limit the discussions on it to the Bible so we do not become like WCF with the catch phrases, accusations, human reasoning, and basically brain washing. I know the Bible agrees with us. If it did not, I would not want to hold on to false doctrine, like they are, and would be forced to change, but do you see them racing in here to prove us wrong from scripture? No. They cannot do it.
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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 19:14:36 GMT -5
They are infected then and should be avoided like the plague. One thing about Todd White.......I'm not someone who normally judges people by their appearance.......BUT the way he wears his hair is very extreme....it seems to be shouting paganism....in exactly the same way another Todd (Bentley) had tattoos all over his body....and his fruits finally showed themselves. Someone who even just looks like he does, well, let's just say I think we should be very careful...I would want some very strong proof that he is a true follower of Christ. I have examine a lot of the nar preachers . and i have never found one even remotely close to being true and of God . that oughtta scare the socks off a lot of folks . I examine prosperity preachers and never found a true one . Truth is , between all the prophets , so called teachers , i have never found one that did not massively fail , and not in just one point but in many points . the falling away is not coming , ITS HERE and it will only get worse . every last one of them will go into ecuminalism , all inclusive . you mark those words . UNLESS one repents , RIGHT INTO the all inclusive they will go Todd Bentley has since been involved in another even worse scandal, too depressing to mention....I don't know if anybody who ever endorsed and promoted him has ever publicly acknowledged their terrible mistake, not to mention the farce of how he was "restored" to ministry after the first scandal. I don't keep up with all the different ministries and ministers in Christendom any more....it's not my calling, the Lord told me to walk away and not look back. So to me I just consider that the whole well of the entire church and ministry system is poisoned......everybody who is still part of it is by definition suspect and false as far as I'm concerned....lock stock and barrel, the whole package. Nobody should drink of that well. Just like all Catholic priests are false just by virtue of being part of the Catholic church. I consider that 'protestant christianity' has nothing to do with me any more, just like I consider the Catholic church to have nothing to do with me.
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Post by John on Jul 7, 2020 19:19:12 GMT -5
I have examine a lot of the nar preachers . and i have never found one even remotely close to being true and of God . that oughtta scare the socks off a lot of folks . I examine prosperity preachers and never found a true one . Truth is , between all the prophets , so called teachers , i have never found one that did not massively fail , and not in just one point but in many points . the falling away is not coming , ITS HERE and it will only get worse . every last one of them will go into ecuminalism , all inclusive . you mark those words . UNLESS one repents , RIGHT INTO the all inclusive they will go Todd Bentley has since been involved in another even worse scandal, too depressing to mention....I don't know if anybody who ever endorsed and promoted him has ever publicly acknowledged their terrible mistake, not to mention the farce of how he was "restored" to ministry after the first scandal. I don't keep up with all the different ministries and ministers in Christendom any more....it's not my calling, the Lord told me to walk away and not look back. So to me I just consider that the whole well of the entire church and ministry system is poisoned......everybody who is still part of it is by definition suspect and false as far as I'm concerned....lock stock and barrel, the whole package. Nobody should drink of that well. Just like all Catholic priests are false just by virtue of being part of the Catholic church. I consider that 'protestant christianity' has nothing to do with me any more, just like I consider the Catholic church to have nothing to do with me. I am so out of the loop, I do not know who any of these people are. I have never heard of Todd Bentley. Every time I have turned on the television and tried to watch any of the ministers, I heard things that were false. Why waste time with them, when we have the Bible?
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Post by watchful on Jul 7, 2020 19:34:25 GMT -5
Todd Bentley has since been involved in another even worse scandal, too depressing to mention....I don't know if anybody who ever endorsed and promoted him has ever publicly acknowledged their terrible mistake, not to mention the farce of how he was "restored" to ministry after the first scandal. I don't keep up with all the different ministries and ministers in Christendom any more....it's not my calling, the Lord told me to walk away and not look back. So to me I just consider that the whole well of the entire church and ministry system is poisoned......everybody who is still part of it is by definition suspect and false as far as I'm concerned....lock stock and barrel, the whole package. Nobody should drink of that well. Just like all Catholic priests are false just by virtue of being part of the Catholic church. I consider that 'protestant christianity' has nothing to do with me any more, just like I consider the Catholic church to have nothing to do with me. I am so out of the loop, I do not know who any of these people are. I have never heard of Todd Bentley. Every time I have turned on the television and tried to watch any of the ministers, I heard things that were false. Why waste time with them, when we have the Bible? Amen...and we have Jesus and His Spirit to lead us into all truth. Once a new believer gets past their spiritual infancy stage, if they are still looking to ministers for spiritual sustenance, they are letting ministers/teachers take the place of Jesus in their life. That is what antichrist means......'instead of Christ'...that whole mindset is wrong and had to put forth its fruit eventually. Know the tree by its fruit....and it's all going back to the mother of that mindset....the wrong tree. What is needed is a body of Christ mindset, rather than a clergy/laity schism in the church.
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