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Post by John on Jul 7, 2020 19:58:21 GMT -5
I am so out of the loop, I do not know who any of these people are. I have never heard of Todd Bentley. Every time I have turned on the television and tried to watch any of the ministers, I heard things that were false. Why waste time with them, when we have the Bible? Amen...and we have Jesus and His Spirit to lead us into all truth. Once a new believer gets past their spiritual infancy stage, if they are still looking to ministers for spiritual sustenance, they are letting ministers/teachers take the place of Jesus in their life. That is what antichrist means......'instead of Christ'...that whole mindset is wrong and had to put forth its fruit eventually. Know the tree by its fruit....and it's all going back to the mother of that mindset....the wrong tree. What is needed is a body of Christ mindset, rather than a clergy/laity schism in the church. The ministers are there to train the people, and then they are to go forth and do their ministries. Of course, if you have a good church, they will all work together, and you will have an increase. Most churches do not follow the Biblical model. Also, because most churches do not teach people to know the Bible and learn from the Spirit themselves, they rely solely on the Pastor for all their doctrine. If he is in error, they will be too.
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Post by ohhello on Jul 8, 2020 3:55:42 GMT -5
Let us all keep with the bibles. That is the LORD’s WORD.
Brother Frienduff is correct. If one of our loved brothers and sisters slips up, and glances a different way for even a second, it is done out of pure love for them when we say, no brother / sister, look this away again. Look at the bible and the true JESUS CHRIST. Give the enemy even a tiny bit of an inch, and he will take a hundreds of miles.
It’s done out of love. Not done to say I’m better than you, and then get offended and start an argument. I would be very grateful and thankful if a loved brother or sister nudged me if my mind started wandering off. We do this because we want to see us all reach the finish line and get a welcome by the LORD JESUS into eternal life with Him.
Now let us PRAISE THE LORD!
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Post by frienduff on Jul 8, 2020 7:56:51 GMT -5
Let us all keep with the bibles. That is the LORD’s WORD. Brother Frienduff is correct. If one of our loved brothers and sisters slips up, and glances a different way for even a second, it is done out of pure love for them when we say, no brother / sister, look this away again. Look at the bible and the true JESUS CHRIST. Give the enemy even a tiny bit of an inch, and he will take a hundreds of miles. It’s done out of love. Not done to say I’m better than you, and then get offended and start an argument. I would be very grateful and thankful if a loved brother or sister nudged me if my mind started wandering off. We do this because we want to see us all reach the finish line and get a welcome by the LORD JESUS into eternal life with Him. Now let us PRAISE THE LORD! This is known as sors . SPOT ON RIGHT SISTER . this is exactly why we do as we do . just as the early church constantly stirred up the beleivers , we do too . Always beholding both the Goodness and severity of GOD . Always reminding to do the things which please GOD and to do Not the evil things . Pumping all sound biblical doctrine out . For all things written were writtten for our learning that we do not Do , do not Lust after the evil things they did , but that we do the things which please GOD from upmost thankful hearts to the LORD . SISTER is RIGHT . NOW , let us PRAISE THE LORD . right indeed my dear sister .
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Post by watchful on Jul 8, 2020 8:04:19 GMT -5
Amen...and we have Jesus and His Spirit to lead us into all truth. Once a new believer gets past their spiritual infancy stage, if they are still looking to ministers for spiritual sustenance, they are letting ministers/teachers take the place of Jesus in their life. That is what antichrist means......'instead of Christ'...that whole mindset is wrong and had to put forth its fruit eventually. Know the tree by its fruit....and it's all going back to the mother of that mindset....the wrong tree. What is needed is a body of Christ mindset, rather than a clergy/laity schism in the church. The ministers are there to train the people, and then they are to go forth and do their ministries. Of course, if you have a good church, they will all work together, and you will have an increase. Most churches do not follow the Biblical model. Also, because most churches do not teach people to know the Bible and learn from the Spirit themselves, they rely solely on the Pastor for all their doctrine. If he is in error, they will be too.I just think the Lord wants to in a way "blow it all up and start over again" at this point, because it has all gotten so tainted ever since the counterfeit mother church gave birth to it so to speak, or maybe even really starting earlier after Paul departed. Fire in the hole....we best get out before she blows! Well, I guess it's been like a slow motion explosion and it's not over yet. She is being taken captive as we speak.....by Babylon. It's God's judgment....time for judgment to begin with His house. Forgetting what lies behind and pressing on to what lies ahead, so keep following Him I will, not knowing where I'm going. We have not been this way before.
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Post by Cletus on Jul 8, 2020 12:22:43 GMT -5
The ministers are there to train the people, and then they are to go forth and do their ministries. Of course, if you have a good church, they will all work together, and you will have an increase. Most churches do not follow the Biblical model. Also, because most churches do not teach people to know the Bible and learn from the Spirit themselves, they rely solely on the Pastor for all their doctrine. If he is in error, they will be too. I just think the Lord wants to in a way "blow it all up and start over again" at this point, because it has all gotten so tainted ever since the counterfeit mother church gave birth to it so to speak, or maybe even really starting earlier after Paul departed. Fire in the hole....we best get out before she blows! Well, I guess it's been like a slow motion explosion and it's not over yet. She is being taken captive as we speak.....by Babylon. It's God's judgment....time for judgment to begin with His house. Forgetting what lies behind and pressing on to what lies ahead, so keep following Him I will, not knowing where I'm going. We have not been this way before. i dont see God wanting to blow it up and start again. thats destruction. God is about restoration. BUT, there has to be some repentance, some turning back to Him in the equation first. what i do see is that man chose a different way, and The Holy Ghost backed up and even moved on. i see churches still assembling but with no power. they have become the blind leading the blind. until they return to The LORD they will wax worse and worse. and God will, just as He did in the book of Hosea allow it, and put it on them tough so they will seek Him early. so they will eventually say it was better for me with my first Husband... let me return to Him. the way many churches, not all, operate today is not operating under The Head, not operating under The Holy Spirits guidance... but the methods and tactics have become a golden calf. truth is its the people who have abandoned God, and their posts. they have reasoned they can help God and they can do it better. But God will not share His glory.
we must not give up on those who do or have named Christ as KING. we too must take heed, watching where we step... as it tells us in proverbs to carefully consider our path.
He Is Faithful. when we call upon Him, He will show up. the blind will see. a depraved mind can understand. chains of bondage broken.
the mission for the body now is to free the captives. to go out into the highways and compel them to come to dinner. to occupy. darkness can only cause chaos. when the light shines darkness will flee. the authority to command Spirits to go, even to raise the dead is in us if Christ be in us. and it is this we need to be praying for. for God to use us. for the gifts to flow thru us to seek and save the lost and broken. to prepare their hearts and open their ears so they will hear and receive and turn to God. and they would be changed... and give God glory and praise. If you are not an evangelist there is something you do, can do to build His kingdom. this is what the church is to do right now. set the captives free. in the church and in the world.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 8, 2020 12:51:51 GMT -5
The ministers are there to train the people, and then they are to go forth and do their ministries. Of course, if you have a good church, they will all work together, and you will have an increase. Most churches do not follow the Biblical model. Also, because most churches do not teach people to know the Bible and learn from the Spirit themselves, they rely solely on the Pastor for all their doctrine. If he is in error, they will be too. I just think the Lord wants to in a way "blow it all up and start over again" at this point, because it has all gotten so tainted ever since the counterfeit mother church gave birth to it so to speak, or maybe even really starting earlier after Paul departed. Fire in the hole....we best get out before she blows! Well, I guess it's been like a slow motion explosion and it's not over yet. She is being taken captive as we speak.....by Babylon. It's God's judgment....time for judgment to begin with His house. Forgetting what lies behind and pressing on to what lies ahead, so keep following Him I will, not knowing where I'm going. We have not been this way before. Fire in the hole , means get the heck outta of it , ITS GONNA BLOW . Our pattern must be , IDENTICAL to the dot and to the T of the early church doctrine , of every word and syallable of JESUS . GET OUT , a truth grenade has been dropped in the hole , AND ITS GONNA BLOW . Ps , i was once military , and when a grenade got dropped , FOLKS GOT OUTTA DODGE . but i no longer throw carnal grenades . BUT TRUTH GRENADES and the call is , GET OUT OF THOSE PLACES , THEY GONNA BLOW SKY HIGH and nothing gonna survive that is in them . GET OUT and NEVER LOOK back .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 8, 2020 12:54:38 GMT -5
a grenade of strong delusion has been dropped in the holes of churches . GET OUT , GET OUT , GET OUT , GET OUT . GET OUT . For when that grenade of the dung unity explodes , ya dont want one spot of it on ya garments . GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT . And i have no problem repeating that word over and over again . GET OUT . the unity IS DEAD and with death . FIND only lambs who love JESUS and prepare for all out betrayal .
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Post by ohhello on Jul 8, 2020 13:39:46 GMT -5
a grenade of strong delusion has been dropped in the holes of churches . GET OUT , GET OUT , GET OUT , GET OUT . GET OUT . For when that grenade of the dung unity explodes , ya dont want one spot of it on ya garments . GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT . And i have no problem repeating that word over and over again . GET OUT . the unity IS DEAD and with death . FIND only lambs who love JESUS and prepare for all out betrayal . Amen. “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4 KJV
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Post by John on Jul 8, 2020 17:17:52 GMT -5
The ministers are there to train the people, and then they are to go forth and do their ministries. Of course, if you have a good church, they will all work together, and you will have an increase. Most churches do not follow the Biblical model. Also, because most churches do not teach people to know the Bible and learn from the Spirit themselves, they rely solely on the Pastor for all their doctrine. If he is in error, they will be too. I just think the Lord wants to in a way "blow it all up and start over again" at this point, because it has all gotten so tainted ever since the counterfeit mother church gave birth to it so to speak, or maybe even really starting earlier after Paul departed. Fire in the hole....we best get out before she blows! Well, I guess it's been like a slow motion explosion and it's not over yet. She is being taken captive as we speak.....by Babylon. It's God's judgment....time for judgment to begin with His house. Forgetting what lies behind and pressing on to what lies ahead, so keep following Him I will, not knowing where I'm going. We have not been this way before. In many ways, I feel the same as you do. I feel like the entire church system has been designed based on the RCC to some degree, and we do need to start over using the Bible as our foundation. We need to forget all we have been doing regarding church offices and the way we do things, and look at how the early church did things and return to the original pattern as best we can.
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Post by watchful on Jul 10, 2020 6:16:42 GMT -5
I just think the Lord wants to in a way "blow it all up and start over again" at this point, because it has all gotten so tainted ever since the counterfeit mother church gave birth to it so to speak, or maybe even really starting earlier after Paul departed. Fire in the hole....we best get out before she blows! Well, I guess it's been like a slow motion explosion and it's not over yet. She is being taken captive as we speak.....by Babylon. It's God's judgment....time for judgment to begin with His house. Forgetting what lies behind and pressing on to what lies ahead, so keep following Him I will, not knowing where I'm going. We have not been this way before. In many ways, I feel the same as you do. I feel like the entire church system has been designed based on the RCC to some degree, and we do need to start over using the Bible as our foundation. We need to forget all we have been doing regarding church offices and the way we do things, and look at how the early church did things and return to the original pattern as best we can. Amen....a fresh look at God's word since we have all been influenced more than we know by the system and teachings that we came through. And I believe it's so important to wait on the Lord too for His leading and His will, as well as His light, since this doesn't seem to be 'business as usual' any more. Many tend to look at certain prophecies about the end times and sort of mentally put a period after them, but we are being LED by the Lord into the fulfillment of these prophecies, they are going to happen in real time and we need light for our path all the way.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 10, 2020 7:18:42 GMT -5
In many ways, I feel the same as you do. I feel like the entire church system has been designed based on the RCC to some degree, and we do need to start over using the Bible as our foundation. We need to forget all we have been doing regarding church offices and the way we do things, and look at how the early church did things and return to the original pattern as best we can. Amen....a fresh look at God's word since we have all been influenced more than we know by the system and teachings that we came through. And I believe it's so important to wait on the Lord too for His leading and His will, as well as His light, since this doesn't seem to be 'business as usual' any more. Many tend to look at certain prophecies about the end times and sort of mentally put a period after them, but we are being LED by the Lord into the fulfillment of these prophecies, they are going to happen in real time and we need light for our path all the way. Yes indeed its coming to pass . and now a reminder for us all . A huge spiritual bomb of delusion has been dropped . And its landed right smack into the middle of many places . My advice is , when a bomb is dropped dont sit around and wait to see if its a dud or real . GET OUT OF DODGE . For what appears as a sleeping bomb , will blow . more Dud bombs of spiritual delusoin have killed more folks . cause they thought it was a dud and about the time they hollered , hey it was just a du...............................BOOM it explodes and they are dead . Thus come out of all places now whose focus is just this unity stuff and getting along and etc . Cause the bomb will blow and rip right through the soul when least expected .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 10, 2020 7:22:07 GMT -5
Whereunto shall we liken this generation . It is as though a man went about and painted a bomb . made it all full of colorful words and colors . And brought it into to many churches and places . And the people look at it and marvel and say , though it be shaped as a bomb this is no bomb . Look at the words , it has love , it says God is love , it says we need unity and should put and cast aside our differences . It says peace on it . It says .............BOOM . the end .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 10, 2020 7:28:55 GMT -5
The moral of that reminder is simply this . it dont matter how many sayings they use , like constantly saying God is love , and we have freedom and we need unity if the doctrine being taught aint adding up , ITS ATICKING BOMB just ready to blow all who sit under it , right into all out delusion . So lets retell the story with some lambs in it . Whereunto shall we like this generation . it is as though a man went about and painted a bomb , made it all full of colorful words and colors . And brought it into many churches and places . And the people look at it and marvel and say , though it be shaped as a bomb this is no bomb . Look at the words on it . It says God is love , it says we need unity and should put aside our differences and find commmon ground . it speaks of peace . Meanwhile the lambs say , Yet where is all the bible doctrine . These words might contain truth , but Truth is absent from them . They point to humanity and a love not compatible to God . THIS IS A BOMB GET OUT . And the masses say , ye all are crazy and haters , this is no bomb its .....................BOOM . the end .
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Post by watchful on Jul 10, 2020 8:27:12 GMT -5
The moral of that reminder is simply this . it dont matter how many sayings they use , like constantly saying God is love , and we have freedom and we need unity if the doctrine being taught aint adding up , ITS ATICKING BOMB just ready to blow all who sit under it , right into all out delusion . So lets retell the story with some lambs in it . Whereunto shall we like this generation . it is as though a man went about and painted a bomb , made it all full of colorful words and colors . And brought it into many churches and places . And the people look at it and marvel and say , though it be shaped as a bomb this is no bomb . Look at the words on it . It says God is love , it says we need unity and should put aside our differences and find commmon ground . it speaks of peace . Meanwhile the lambs say , Yet where is all the bible doctrine . These words might contain truth , but Truth is absent from them . They point to humanity and a love not compatible to God . THIS IS A BOMB GET OUT . And the masses say , ye all are crazy and haters , this is no bomb its .....................BOOM . the end . Amen....its' very deceptive.....a man-centred, humanistic gospel......it's also trusting in man's own 'righteousness' rather than the righteousness of Christ....it's a way that can seemeth so right to man but leads to death. So important to cleave to the plumbline of God's word and Jesus is that plumbline and cornerstone, straight and true.
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