Cletus
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Post by Cletus on Oct 18, 2020 11:51:05 GMT -5
the last thing i desire is to cause division among the brethren. but this weight on my heart which does sadden me... i can no longer not speak. and i hear the same statement a lot from believers, especially during election years. which is...
"im not going to vote, or i cant vote because" ... and its because so and so just aint holy enough for them. and yet all have sinned, all fall short of Gods glory... of His standard for all of us to live. this includes me and you. now we all look to King David as at least a "fairly" righteous man. The Book says its so. All scripture is God breathed. and the people loved David who was under him. and yet this is a man who did take a mans life unjustly only because he saw his wife one evening and desired to have her... and basically, he raped her.... basically. psalm 51 was written one year after his guilty act according to many scholars where he repented. and we know it is God who sets up nations and brings them down. who sets up kings and brings them down. we also know His mercy is new every morning. and that He can blot out our transgression as if it never happened, and according to God... He wont ever even so much as mention it to us again.
I recently unsubscribed to a youtube ministry channel i followed for some years because the guy running the channel said he refused to vote. and why? Voting is like a talent thats given to us by God... because He sets up nations.... and ours is set up to be able to vote. truly, by not voting your are burying your talent in the sand... and we know by scripture God is austere... and He will take what you got and give it to another if you do not produce more by what He gave. and this wont be taken lightly as this right to vote was afforded us by spilled blood. men bled and died so you could have this... and whats God say about spilled blood???... well, He told cain He could hear ables blood crying out to Him from the field. all those men killed in war so we can be free... all those babies ripped to pieces in the womb laid on a stainless tray... their blood cries out to Him... His ear aint to heavy it cant hear....aint aint aint!
and what do we know to be truth? trump has stood against abortion and infanticide.. something that biden will push for. we also know its Gods way to give man a chance, after all while we were yet sinners Christ did die for our sins. and also... God searches for even one to stand in the gap between Him and the people. And whats God say in Ezekiel 22... He searches for this man to lead... to stand in the gap... so that He will not destroy us. let me say this again... so He will not destroy us.
and yet, i keep hearing believers making comments like choosing to vote is a moral dilemma for them because neither choice is good enough for them. and yet, God Almighty chose David... and God Almighty who knows all things before they happen... knew David would commit murder and rape. but you cant seem to bring yourself to vote because a choice between the two isnt good enough for YOU??? no one is perfect. this world aint perfect.
dont take this the wrong way... but come down off your holy high horse... and vote for the one person who you know stands against these abominations that you despise, that burden your heart. do not bury your talent in the sand. stand for whats right. at least try to establish righteousness in the land. dont sit by and do nothing and give chance to wicked men ruling, even when we have all done wicked in Gods eyes.
God gave mens lives so you could vote... so you could establish whats right in the land. do not throw it away. once you turn your back on opportunity... time will not give it back to you. its gone.
you may think its no use... its going to be bad no matter what... ok. but why sit by and do nothing? its the same thing as not having a job and praying for a job but sitting on the couch waiting for a job to come knock at your door. faith without works is dead.
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Post by frienduff on Oct 18, 2020 16:25:28 GMT -5
The only and i do mean only reason i vote for trump is to try and save those babies . I got zero hope in him . OH he is for sure on appearance the lesser of two evils . no doubt in my mind . But i vote only to save those babies . IF i am even able to vote that is .
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Post by Cletus on Oct 18, 2020 21:04:19 GMT -5
The only and i do mean only reason i vote for trump is to try and save those babies . I got zero hope in him . OH he is for sure on appearance the lesser of two evils . no doubt in my mind . But i vote only to save those babies . IF i am even able to vote that is . i dont got any hope in any man. Jesus Christ is our hope. no other will do. no other can compare... but i do fear what God will do to the nation if we are idle.
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Post by watchful on Oct 19, 2020 12:26:28 GMT -5
Well, I understand your angst Cletus, although I'm not sure I would cut off fellowship for reasons of politics. All the issues and conflicting information sources, etc, can be confusing and hard to sort through...if someone isn't clear and sure in their conscience as to what to do, we wouldn't want anyone violating their conscience. I do hope and pray the Lord will give America a stay of another four years.
Its the church that needs to repent, more than the lost souls in the nation. "If my people who are called by my name...." Notice there has been no letup in natural disasters, only an increase, under Donald Trump's watch....and remember David saying it's better to fall into the hands of the living God than to fall into the hands of wicked men. We can probably expect more of the same if Trump is re-elected and that is for the good of the church to warn and try to wake her up. Help your people return to your ways, o Lord.
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Post by frienduff on Oct 19, 2020 14:51:31 GMT -5
Well, I understand your angst Cletus, although I'm not sure I would cut off fellowship for reasons of politics. All the issues and conflicting information sources, etc, can be confusing and hard to sort through...if someone isn't clear and sure in their conscience as to what to do, we wouldn't want anyone violating their conscience. I do hope and pray the Lord will give America a stay of another four years. Its the church that needs to repent, more than the lost souls in the nation. "If my people who are called by my name...." Notice there has been no letup in natural disasters, only an increase, under Donald Trump's watch....and remember David saying it's better to fall into the hands of the living God than to fall into the hands of wicked men. We can probably expect more of the same if Trump is re-elected and that is for the good of the church to warn and try to wake her up. Help your people return to your ways, o Lord. This is something every single lamb needs to deeply realize , Peek at ninevah . The wrath the first time was stayed . What did jonas come preaching . DID he come to the people and say , we need us a king and a council . OR did he speak one simple message . Did jonas stir the people up to get certain people in power , OR DID he preach a simple message . Preach that message unto the the president and the house and the senate . IF they heed that message they would point to the people to REPENTANCE . Without that , well , all i can say is this , its not gonna bode well . What churches put their peoples hope in obama . The false ones . And what churches and leaders SWORE before their churches , that Trump was the solution . Well , take a peek. Go back to the months prior to even the election . WHEN we had one wide range of possible candidates . Then voices began to arise from church leaders . Take a good long look at who pointed the evangelical camp to trump . OH i know at a glance Biden and harris stand for some serious deadly evil . I can easily see why folks would choose trump over them . NO doubt on that . But trump , nor biden , nor harris are gonna save america . The only reason i would vote trump is with hope that somehow the babies can be spared . Even that is no gaurantee . IF we examine our bibles , when false ones put their hope in men , In the end what did those very men do unto them . When condo owning , jet owning folks point us to anyone My advice is , WHY would we heed them . WHEN hanniah came giving the jews false hopes of peace and that the yoke of the king of babylone would soon be broken off . DOES anyone remember what jeremiah later came back and said . YE prophesy falsely . Ye may have broken of the wooden yoke , which represented THe hold of the KING of babylon BUT I AM GONNA PUT AN IRON YOKE from that KING upon your necks . FOLKS may have thought the YOKE of the one world order was broken off , BUT i warn us all , GOD HAS ALREADY DETERMINED the kings would surrender to the beast . I SEE ONLY AN IRON ONE COMING . Folks so busy prophesy of some kind of hope and some kind of peace , AND THAT MONEY , lets not forget that , But they message should have been , THE END draws nigh THE SYSTEM rises and the folks better REPENT asap . But they were too busy looking out for number THEMSELVES , aka NUMBER ONE . WHO WOULD PROFIT THEM the most WHO would give them the most ease in this life. WHO would protect them and they money . OH its a viscous cycle . THE IRON YOKE COMETH . AND THERE WILL BE NO STOPPING IT . ALl the lambs can do , IS pray for the strength to endure the fiery the trials , to pray they enter not into temptation , TO pray they endure faithful to the end . MY message is not one of peace , of a hope in this world or its system . ITS ONE OF COMING DELUSION , MASSIVE JUDGMENT and REPENT YE and BELEIVE .
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Post by watchful on Oct 20, 2020 6:27:42 GMT -5
Amen. It's incredible how the church is committing all the exact same wrongs that are written about in the bible which Israel did in her apostasy, which brought judgment upon her. Prophecy will be fulfilled, though I believe the timing of everything is in the Lord's hands, as well as that He is working out HIS plans and purposes ultimately and showing Himself to be the Lord God Almighty, for the sake of His glory.
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Post by frienduff on Oct 20, 2020 20:22:54 GMT -5
Let all rejoice in the glorious Lord .
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Post by frienduff on Oct 20, 2020 21:10:50 GMT -5
Welcome to sie order of amerika .
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Post by Cletus on Oct 21, 2020 1:59:05 GMT -5
Well, I understand your angst Cletus, although I'm not sure I would cut off fellowship for reasons of politics. All the issues and conflicting information sources, etc, can be confusing and hard to sort through...if someone isn't clear and sure in their conscience as to what to do, we wouldn't want anyone violating their conscience. I do hope and pray the Lord will give America a stay of another four years. Its the church that needs to repent, more than the lost souls in the nation. "If my people who are called by my name...." Notice there has been no letup in natural disasters, only an increase, under Donald Trump's watch....and remember David saying it's better to fall into the hands of the living God than to fall into the hands of wicked men. We can probably expect more of the same if Trump is re-elected and that is for the good of the church to warn and try to wake her up. Help your people return to your ways, o Lord. i do appreciate your rebuke... but i didnt tell the whole tale on unsubbing from the channel. the videos got kinda....off. the messages in them. the whole not gonna vote thing was just the final straw for me.
i would also like to point out in regards to under trump the birth pangs not getting lessened... firstly, mid-term elections got every thing jacked up... secondly, i am not certain anything of that sort matters concerning the signs of the times. i do not think its going to go back to less violent weather, no sink holes, no wars or rumors of wars, pestilences just go away, etc. but here is why i say what i do concerning election, and i am glad you mentioned the verse David said, lets take a closer look at that passage to better understand why i am adamant about this...
1Ch 21:13 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall now into the hand of the LORD; for very great are his mercies: but let me not fall into the hand of man. 1Ch 21:14 So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men. 1Ch 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite. 1Ch 21:16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces. 1Ch 21:17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.
look at the integrity of David here. owning his wrong. but now also look at when God says no, dont you do that... but the ruler does it anyway... all under that ruler can/might receive judgment. If we dont get the best choice for our leader of this country in office... what will become of us? I fear The LORD. He aint playing games. He dont bump His gums. in Hebrews it says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of The Living God. me personally, i would rather have civil war than God pour out judgement. And lets just take a moment to recognize this is the same God who told Jeremiah not to pray for Judah. He told Him i wont hear you. there is no escape from His judgement. nor His decrees. no court is higher. no throne as high. No King to overrule anything He says. Yes, yes, God did not go thru with sending His angel with the sword in the above passage... but that one verse is not something i am willing to say oh God will do that for me too... no worries. In lamentations God put it on the people so hard it says they ate their own babies. I have lived vicariously enough after being saved to know you do not test Gods limits. I also know there are not really any scriptures that absolutely guarantee if you get off the life train He has to let you back on it. it sure is a good thing He has great mercies, and that they are new every morning. because we are all nothing but dust without His breath in us.
bottom line for this nation... trump is not perfect, nor do i claim to be... but for those of us who Love God, there is only one clear choice. the other side does not regard or esteem life. us. we. you. me. bag-a-bones for all they care. and once you get to that point you are on the road to being like china's government.
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Post by watchful on Oct 21, 2020 7:46:55 GMT -5
Well, I understand your angst Cletus, although I'm not sure I would cut off fellowship for reasons of politics. All the issues and conflicting information sources, etc, can be confusing and hard to sort through...if someone isn't clear and sure in their conscience as to what to do, we wouldn't want anyone violating their conscience. I do hope and pray the Lord will give America a stay of another four years. Its the church that needs to repent, more than the lost souls in the nation. "If my people who are called by my name...." Notice there has been no letup in natural disasters, only an increase, under Donald Trump's watch....and remember David saying it's better to fall into the hands of the living God than to fall into the hands of wicked men. We can probably expect more of the same if Trump is re-elected and that is for the good of the church to warn and try to wake her up. Help your people return to your ways, o Lord. i do appreciate your rebuke... but i didnt tell the whole tale on unsubbing from the channel. the videos got kinda....off. the messages in them. the whole not gonna vote thing was just the final straw for me.
i would also like to point out in regards to under trump the birth pangs not getting lessened... firstly, mid-term elections got every thing jacked up... secondly, i am not certain anything of that sort matters concerning the signs of the times. i do not think its going to go back to less violent weather, no sink holes, no wars or rumors of wars, pestilences just go away, etc. but here is why i say what i do concerning election, and i am glad you mentioned the verse David said, lets take a closer look at that passage to better understand why i am adamant about this...
1Ch 21:13 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall now into the hand of the LORD; for very great are his mercies: but let me not fall into the hand of man. 1Ch 21:14 So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men. 1Ch 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite. 1Ch 21:16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces. 1Ch 21:17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.
look at the integrity of David here. owning his wrong. but now also look at when God says no, dont you do that... but the ruler does it anyway... all under that ruler can/might receive judgment. If we dont get the best choice for our leader of this country in office... what will become of us? I fear The LORD. He aint playing games. He dont bump His gums. in Hebrews it says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of The Living God. me personally, i would rather have civil war than God pour out judgement. And lets just take a moment to recognize this is the same God who told Jeremiah not to pray for Judah. He told Him i wont hear you. there is no escape from His judgement. nor His decrees. no court is higher. no throne as high. No King to overrule anything He says. Yes, yes, God did not go thru with sending His angel with the sword in the above passage... but that one verse is not something i am willing to say oh God will do that for me too... no worries. In lamentations God put it on the people so hard it says they ate their own babies. I have lived vicariously enough after being saved to know you do not test Gods limits. I also know there are not really any scriptures that absolutely guarantee if you get off the life train He has to let you back on it. it sure is a good thing He has great mercies, and that they are new every morning. because we are all nothing but dust without His breath in us.
bottom line for this nation... trump is not perfect, nor do i claim to be... but for those of us who Love God, there is only one clear choice. the other side does not regard or esteem life. us. we. you. me. bag-a-bones for all they care. and once you get to that point you are on the road to being like china's government.
It wasn't a rebuke brother....just discussing based on what you had said, though I know communicating in writing is limiting in what gets communicated, it's hard to qualify and give background info on every single statement we make, or every post would be like writing a book, heh. Amen, I agree we are not to put God to the test, but serve Him in sincerity. Sin has consequences, it's no joke...even if we are forgiven we often still have to live with the consequences, and some of them are life-long. It could be that the Lord was judging the people because they went along with the census.....though I believe there is a principle that the Lord also does judge groups as a whole as well as individuals....nation, family, tribe, city, etc. (That's one reason why we can't judge others unless we've been touched with their infirmities and walked a mile in their shoes.... an individual believer may be serving the Lord, but still suffer and have battles based upon curses upon their particular family line or nation or city, etc. The believer then stands in the gap as an intercessor for the group they belong to....it becomes their corner of the battlefield that they didn't choose, but God did, to overcome and thus turn the curse away, or a measure of it, away from their family or nation etc. And conversely we may enjoy certain blessings that have come due to the nation or family or city that we belong to, or combination of both curses and blessings. It's one reason incidentally why I believe that African Americans are dealing with certain curses as well as blessings that Caucasians don't have in general, and vice versa. If America as a whole gets judged in certain ways due to going along with such things as abortion and gay marriage then we who don't agree or participate in those things will also suffer in certain ways too just because of living in and belonging to that nation....though the Lord is able to keep us through it, as He marked and kept those who sighed and cried because of Israel's abominations. Same with married couples too, the Lord deals with a couple as a whole, as well as individually, and whatever one spouse is going through necessarily affects the other spouse, whether blessings or judgments/chastisements.)
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Post by John on Oct 26, 2020 5:02:49 GMT -5
One thing we all have to remember is that the nation is still full of sin. It does not matter who the President is, if we are still killing babies, and still promoting the homosexual agenda. There is no reason why we would not continue to see chastisements on America.
I have no way of knowing who are true prophets of God. There are so many voices on places like YouTube, but I have heard more than one claim that Trump will have another term, and that Roe Verses Wade will be overturned. Once that happens, at least one is saying it will be like a cloud of darkness will be lifted off of America, and things will get better. Is that true? I hope these men and women are really hearing from God, because that would be great, not only for unborn children, but for the nation as a whole.
Everyone pretty much knows that I did vote for Trump and all the Republicans on the ballot. Abortion was the biggest issue to me, but there are many other reasons I voted for Trump. I do not believe all the negative polls, but I do believe we are being set up for a fight after the results come in. I expect there will be a fight over what votes count, and it will wind up in the Supreme Court. I do not think either side will just accept defeat and quietly say it was the will of the people. Only God knows for sure what is going to happen.
As far as the attitude goes that Trump is not holy enough, I would ask, based on what? You could make an argument about his lifestyle before he ran for President, but since being elected, I have not seen any evidence of immorality or corruption on his part. Saying things that are objectionable to some in tweets and being rude at times does not make him unfit to serve or unworthy of the vote of Christians. Look at the alternative.
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Post by frienduff on Oct 26, 2020 10:23:04 GMT -5
One thing we all have to remember is that the nation is still full of sin. It does not matter who the President is, if we are still killing babies, and still promoting the homosexual agenda. There is no reason why we would not continue to see chastisements on America.
I have no way of knowing who are true prophets of God. There are so many voices on places like YouTube, but I have heard more than one claim that Trump will have another term, and that Roe Verses Wade will be overturned. Once that happens, at least one is saying it will be like a cloud of darkness will be lifted off of America, and things will get better. Is that true? I hope these men and women are really hearing from God, because that would be great, not only for unborn children, but for the nation as a whole.
Everyone pretty much knows that I did vote for Trump and all the Republicans on the ballot. Abortion was the biggest issue to me, but there are many other reasons I voted for Trump. I do not believe all the negative polls, but I do believe we are being set up for a fight after the results come in. I expect there will be a fight over what votes count, and it will wind up in the Supreme Court. I do not think either side will just accept defeat and quietly say it was the will of the people. Only God knows for sure what is going to happen.
As far as the attitude goes that Trump is not holy enough, I would ask, based on what? You could make an argument about his lifestyle before he ran for President, but since being elected, I have not seen any evidence of immorality or corruption on his part. Saying things that are objectionable to some in tweets and being rude at times does not make him unfit to serve or unworthy of the vote of Christians. Look at the alternative.
Like jeremiah once said to those who were prophesying of coming peace , I do not trust a word of those prophets , It would be great if that were to come to pass . But for america or and any nation to have the judgment lifted , they must do an all out repentance . In other words , america and her churches would have to repent of abortion , homsexuality , the prosperity gosple , the all inclusive lie which mocks JESUS . I mean an all out repentance , not a partial one . And near the end this does not occur times only get worse . What does come is a false peace and false unity with the beast . The problem is , in large , the ones i am seeing prophesy this are well known false ones who have long lorded things over the church . There may be others saying it too . BUT IN LARGE its the false ones john . And that scares me very much for the people . Why would nar , prosperity all inclusive prophets be hearing from GOD and prophsesying by HIM , WHEN THEY have not repented of their evil . I SEE a pattern all right . And its time we read , i think jeremiah twenty eight . I know we also have another large portion of false ones who prophesy against trump as well . ITS a mess john . ALL we can do is keep praying to GOD that HE give us direction and that HE keeps our feet from the evil , from temptation . Because partial repentance does not count . And i think we have us a big time delusion at work . Well , i know we do . The churches must repent of the all inclusive lie . mark those words . SO long as the all inclusive lie grows and is beleived , IT gets only worse . SO that means the churches must also repent of this unity with rome stuff . TILL i see this full repentance , I SEE Only DIRE and GRAVE times a coming, and a massive judgment of delusion . Chastisements are for our good . And better is it , if we even have to suffer and die , than to beleive a lie . The grand judgment is this , THE STRONG DELUSION . BECAUSE once one goes under that , THEIR END IS DAMANATION . AND my friend i already see the lie that leadeth to that strong delusion and it grows fast .
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Post by frienduff on Oct 26, 2020 10:27:11 GMT -5
One thing we all have to remember is that the nation is still full of sin. It does not matter who the President is, if we are still killing babies, and still promoting the homosexual agenda. There is no reason why we would not continue to see chastisements on America.
I have no way of knowing who are true prophets of God. There are so many voices on places like YouTube, but I have heard more than one claim that Trump will have another term, and that Roe Verses Wade will be overturned. Once that happens, at least one is saying it will be like a cloud of darkness will be lifted off of America, and things will get better. Is that true? I hope these men and women are really hearing from God, because that would be great, not only for unborn children, but for the nation as a whole.
Everyone pretty much knows that I did vote for Trump and all the Republicans on the ballot. Abortion was the biggest issue to me, but there are many other reasons I voted for Trump. I do not believe all the negative polls, but I do believe we are being set up for a fight after the results come in. I expect there will be a fight over what votes count, and it will wind up in the Supreme Court. I do not think either side will just accept defeat and quietly say it was the will of the people. Only God knows for sure what is going to happen.
As far as the attitude goes that Trump is not holy enough, I would ask, based on what? You could make an argument about his lifestyle before he ran for President, but since being elected, I have not seen any evidence of immorality or corruption on his part. Saying things that are objectionable to some in tweets and being rude at times does not make him unfit to serve or unworthy of the vote of Christians. Look at the alternative.
Trump is not holy , nor was obama . Its simply GOD uses WHO HE WILL . JUST as HE will have the ten kings surrender unto the beast . GOD is and always has been in control . You already know what the problem is john . The lie has began and it will grow like a mushroom , covering all not in the lambs book of life under its lie , its shade of darkness and will make ready a people , nation , nations and the world for the Beast . It grows john .
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Post by frienduff on Oct 26, 2020 10:32:39 GMT -5
Well, I understand your angst Cletus, although I'm not sure I would cut off fellowship for reasons of politics. All the issues and conflicting information sources, etc, can be confusing and hard to sort through...if someone isn't clear and sure in their conscience as to what to do, we wouldn't want anyone violating their conscience. I do hope and pray the Lord will give America a stay of another four years. Its the church that needs to repent, more than the lost souls in the nation. "If my people who are called by my name...." Notice there has been no letup in natural disasters, only an increase, under Donald Trump's watch....and remember David saying it's better to fall into the hands of the living God than to fall into the hands of wicked men. We can probably expect more of the same if Trump is re-elected and that is for the good of the church to warn and try to wake her up. Help your people return to your ways, o Lord. i do appreciate your rebuke... but i didnt tell the whole tale on unsubbing from the channel. the videos got kinda....off. the messages in them. the whole not gonna vote thing was just the final straw for me.
i would also like to point out in regards to under trump the birth pangs not getting lessened... firstly, mid-term elections got every thing jacked up... secondly, i am not certain anything of that sort matters concerning the signs of the times. i do not think its going to go back to less violent weather, no sink holes, no wars or rumors of wars, pestilences just go away, etc. but here is why i say what i do concerning election, and i am glad you mentioned the verse David said, lets take a closer look at that passage to better understand why i am adamant about this...
1Ch 21:13 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall now into the hand of the LORD; for very great are his mercies: but let me not fall into the hand of man. 1Ch 21:14 So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men. 1Ch 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite. 1Ch 21:16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces. 1Ch 21:17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.
look at the integrity of David here. owning his wrong. but now also look at when God says no, dont you do that... but the ruler does it anyway... all under that ruler can/might receive judgment. If we dont get the best choice for our leader of this country in office... what will become of us? I fear The LORD. He aint playing games. He dont bump His gums. in Hebrews it says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of The Living God. me personally, i would rather have civil war than God pour out judgement. And lets just take a moment to recognize this is the same God who told Jeremiah not to pray for Judah. He told Him i wont hear you. there is no escape from His judgement. nor His decrees. no court is higher. no throne as high. No King to overrule anything He says. Yes, yes, God did not go thru with sending His angel with the sword in the above passage... but that one verse is not something i am willing to say oh God will do that for me too... no worries. In lamentations God put it on the people so hard it says they ate their own babies. I have lived vicariously enough after being saved to know you do not test Gods limits. I also know there are not really any scriptures that absolutely guarantee if you get off the life train He has to let you back on it. it sure is a good thing He has great mercies, and that they are new every morning. because we are all nothing but dust without His breath in us.
bottom line for this nation... trump is not perfect, nor do i claim to be... but for those of us who Love God, there is only one clear choice. the other side does not regard or esteem life. us. we. you. me. bag-a-bones for all they care. and once you get to that point you are on the road to being like china's government.
My hope and prayer is that they squash the roe v wade for ever . That would have been the only reason for my voting in trump . Its too late now my friend . Registering to vote is over . But i think texas will go red . Nebb was used by GOD , to bring about Gods punishment against those who had rejected him and also in part to give a small place for the remenant . But Even nebb got chastened by GOD . Trump better watch out for how often he points to himself . I do see a lot of pride in trump . That got nebb chastened big time . One thing i know , do not vote for biden and harris . under them there is zero hope for them babies .
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Post by John on Oct 26, 2020 12:55:32 GMT -5
The prophets saying Trump will have another term are a mixed group of well known and lesser known people. I am reserving judgment for now. You do make a good point about the need for total repentance.
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