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Post by tlsitd on Jul 19, 2018 18:00:36 GMT -5
Thank you for your input Lights. I knew there would be those who do not celebrate the holidays for the reasons you gave. As someone who does celebrate Christmas and Easter, I do not, and never have, seen it as anything like the Lord's supper and never met anyone that does. They are only considered Christian holidays because we are remembering the Lord's birth and resurrection. We are not told to celebrate those things, but neither are we commanded not to.
Thanks Lights for a strong defense of your side of the issue.
It is like eating pork, abstaining from it will not make you holier or more acceptable to God.
"But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse." - 1 Corinthians 8:8
"Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died." - Romans 14:15
But I believe we must be careful on how we react and treat people because of this...
going unholy or treating people in an unloving way because of this is not the way to go, in my opinion.
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." - 1 Peter 5:8I don't have any contempt for Christians who are celebrating "Christ-Mass" or Easter because they are personally convinced that they should and are actually doing it to honor the Lord in their mind. That's their personal faith, and we're each accountable to God for that. But most Christians don't do it for that reason (and they know it); they just do it because they want to, regardless of any real personal conviction from the Lord about it. They probably wouldn't give it up even if they had doubts about whether it really did please and honor Him, because it isn't for Him that they're doing it but for themselves. And that is evil; and for that evil (not for the people), as well as for the celebrations themselves (for the reasons given in my previous post) I do have contempt. Just as I have contempt for "Christian" yoga. That doesn't just go for the celebration of "Christ-Mass" and Easter of course, but for many things: Christians will (and do) find a way to justify doing anything they want to do. We all know that. But that is not faith; that is sin. If you were to take a survey of all of the Christians in the world and ask them whether they were celebrating "Christ-Mass" and Easter because of a personal conviction that it was pleasing and honoring to the Lord, and whether they had any doubts about the matter, most of them, if they were to answer honestly, would confess that they were not doing it because of a personal conviction after prayer and careful consideration, and that they did have doubts about doing it---but that they liked doing it and didn't think it was a big deal to God. The attitude of the heart and the presumption is worse than the thing in question itself, because that kind of attitude and presumption makes a Christian's whole faith practice corrupt, and God detests it. Christians should not have such an attitude about anything.
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Post by tlsitd on Jul 19, 2018 18:11:56 GMT -5
Thank you for your input Lights. I knew there would be those who do not celebrate the holidays for the reasons you gave. As someone who does celebrate Christmas and Easter, I do not, and never have, seen it as anything like the Lord's supper and never met anyone that does. They are only considered Christian holidays because we are remembering the Lord's birth and resurrection. We are not told to celebrate those things, but neither are we commanded not to.
Thanks Lights for a strong defense of your side of the issue.
I hope it is helpful to others.
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Post by John on Jul 19, 2018 20:02:30 GMT -5
It is like eating pork, abstaining from it will not make you holier or more acceptable to God.
"But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse." - 1 Corinthians 8:8
"Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died." - Romans 14:15
But I believe we must be careful on how we react and treat people because of this...
going unholy or treating people in an unloving way because of this is not the way to go, in my opinion.
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." - 1 Peter 5:8 I don't have any contempt for Christians who are celebrating "Christ-Mass" or Easter because they are personally convinced that they should and are actually doing it to honor the Lord in their mind. That's their personal faith, and we're each accountable to God for that. But most Christians don't do it for that reason (and they know it); they just do it because they want to, regardless of any real personal conviction from the Lord about it. They probably wouldn't give it up even if they had doubts about whether it really did please and honor Him, because it isn't for Him that they're doing it but for themselves. And that is evil; and for that evil (not for the people), as well as for the celebrations themselves (for the reasons given in my previous post) I do have contempt. Just as I have contempt for "Christian" yoga. That doesn't just go for the celebration of "Christ-Mass" and Easter of course, but for many things: Christians will (and do) find a way to justify doing anything they want to do. We all know that. But that is not faith; that is sin. If you were to take a survey of all of the Christians in the world and ask them whether they were celebrating "Christ-Mass" and Easter because of a personal conviction that it was pleasing and honoring to the Lord, and whether they had any doubts about the matter, most of them, if they were to answer honestly, would confess that they were not doing it because of a personal conviction after prayer and careful consideration, and that they did have doubts about doing it---but that they liked doing it and didn't think it was a big deal to God. The attitude of the heart and the presumption is worse than the thing in question itself, because that kind of attitude and presumption makes a Christian's whole faith practice corrupt, and God detests it. Christians should not have such an attitude about anything. I don't think most people would have any convictions at all about Christmas or Easter being sinful if not for people doing their best to convince them they were doing something wrong. I don't believe God is putting that conviction on hardly anyone, but when some keep hearing others tell them this holiday is of a pagan origin and that holiday is of a pagan origin, they will begin to question it. I do not believe it is not the Spirit of God at all doing the convicting.
Again, in my situation, I did consider the pagan origin argument and it got to the point of absurd, as I heard how this date was evil and that date was evil. I do believe celebrating Christmas and Easter are a good thing because of the witness they give to the world, but so what if others simply enjoy the family get together, Christmas party and turkey dinner? There is no sin in having a good time, just because you happen to be doing it on December 25. And yes, I do wish people a Merry Christmas. I don't say Christ-Mass. I say Christmas.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jul 19, 2018 20:14:35 GMT -5
I don't think most people would have any convictions at all about Christmas or Easter being sinful if not for people doing their best to convince them they were doing something wrong. I don't believe God is putting that conviction on hardly anyone, but when some keep hearing others tell them this holiday is of a pagan origin and that holiday is of a pagan origin, they will begin to question it. I do not believe it is not the Spirit of God at all doing the convicting.
Again, in my situation, I did consider the pagan origin argument and it got to the point of absurd, as I heard how this date was evil and that date was evil. I do believe celebrating Christmas and Easter are a good thing because of the witness they give to the world, but so what if others simply enjoy the family get together, Christmas party and turkey dinner? There is no sin in having a good time, just because you happen to be doing it on December 25. And yes, I do wish people a Merry Christmas. I don't say Christ-Mass. I say Christmas.
We usually have the day off during those days and we may even get the opportunity to meet people we usually do not.
Then I believe that isolating ourselves from the public just because of that is not wise in my opinion.
"Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house." - Matthew 5:15
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." - Matthew 5:16
We can treat it as an opportunity to let light shine and talk about things we will have plenty of excuses to talk during that day.
"Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world." - 1 Corinthians 5:10
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Post by tlsitd on Jul 20, 2018 7:27:16 GMT -5
I don't have any contempt for Christians who are celebrating "Christ-Mass" or Easter because they are personally convinced that they should and are actually doing it to honor the Lord in their mind. That's their personal faith, and we're each accountable to God for that. But most Christians don't do it for that reason (and they know it); they just do it because they want to, regardless of any real personal conviction from the Lord about it. They probably wouldn't give it up even if they had doubts about whether it really did please and honor Him, because it isn't for Him that they're doing it but for themselves. And that is evil; and for that evil (not for the people), as well as for the celebrations themselves (for the reasons given in my previous post) I do have contempt. Just as I have contempt for "Christian" yoga. That doesn't just go for the celebration of "Christ-Mass" and Easter of course, but for many things: Christians will (and do) find a way to justify doing anything they want to do. We all know that. But that is not faith; that is sin. If you were to take a survey of all of the Christians in the world and ask them whether they were celebrating "Christ-Mass" and Easter because of a personal conviction that it was pleasing and honoring to the Lord, and whether they had any doubts about the matter, most of them, if they were to answer honestly, would confess that they were not doing it because of a personal conviction after prayer and careful consideration, and that they did have doubts about doing it---but that they liked doing it and didn't think it was a big deal to God. The attitude of the heart and the presumption is worse than the thing in question itself, because that kind of attitude and presumption makes a Christian's whole faith practice corrupt, and God detests it. Christians should not have such an attitude about anything. I don't think most people would have any convictions at all about Christmas or Easter being sinful if not for people doing their best to convince them they were doing something wrong. I don't believe God is putting that conviction on hardly anyone, but when some keep hearing others tell them this holiday is of a pagan origin and that holiday is of a pagan origin, they will begin to question it. I do not believe it is not the Spirit of God at all doing the convicting.
Again, in my situation, I did consider the pagan origin argument and it got to the point of absurd, as I heard how this date was evil and that date was evil. I do believe celebrating Christmas and Easter are a good thing because of the witness they give to the world, but so what if others simply enjoy the family get together, Christmas party and turkey dinner? There is no sin in having a good time, just because you happen to be doing it on December 25. And yes, I do wish people a Merry Christmas. I don't say Christ-Mass. I say Christmas.
I maintain what I said in my previous posts. What other Christians choose to do is between them and God. (I don't think any date on the calendar is an evil date, by the way. I don't believe in evil dates. What does what anyone else has done in the past or chooses to do on a certain day of the year have to do with me? I do, however, believe that Christians should avoid the appearance of evil and take thought to do what is honorable in the sight of God, as well as man, by what they choose to do or not do on certain days that are celebrated or known for things that aren't of God or pleasing to Him---doing all to the glory of God, by faith.) That's all I have to say about this subject.
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Post by John on Jul 20, 2018 7:43:16 GMT -5
Your position is just as important as mine or anyone else's Lights, so everyone should consider all that has been said here, but more important, what the Lord is saying to them with regard to holidays.
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Post by tlsitd on Jul 20, 2018 8:13:23 GMT -5
Your position is just as important as mine or anyone else's Lights, so everyone should consider all that has been said here, but more important, what the Lord is saying to them with regard to holidays.
It has to be a conviction of personal faith. Every Christian must consider the matter for themselves and seek God about it, and do as their conscience toward Him directs. I hope that what I have posted will encourage them to do that, whether they come to the same conviction as myself or not---and to do the same about all things, which is what God desires. I take into consideration the knowledge and convictions of other Christians myself, to see whether they may have more God-given understanding or discernment about a particular thing than I do, and whether what they know and believe is something that God would have me to apply to my own faith practice. Sharing the knowledge that God has given us and what He has convicted us of can be beneficial to one another. We should consider what we hear from others and determine for ourselves what if anything God would have us to do about it. When you know better, you do better.
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Post by Giller on Oct 14, 2018 0:38:33 GMT -5
In this post, I will not be describing my position or not on this matter.
I just want to mention a few things for consideration.
Here is a scripture:
Rom 14:5 (5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Now it is true that days in and of themselves are not evil, for God created the days of the week, and months and years.
Now our present Roman calendar, was not God's calendar, but nevertheless a particular day in the month, or a particular day of the week, is not evil in and of itself.
There is no evilness in days all by themselves.
Now I know that some will say that days all by themselves are evil, but we know from scripture that this is not so.
So the true issue at hand is not about the days of the week, nor the days of the month, but truly it is about certain celebrations, of whether they are pagan or not.
The issue is about the festival, or the celebration itself, and not about a particular day of the week or month.
But also it should be ultimately about what God ultimately thinks, and not about what we ultimately think.
And also things to look into, is the way things are done, if things are done in a certain manner, and if things are done in a careless manner.
How much do we really know God's thoughts and his ways???
There are a lot of questions I think that should be asked concerning this issue.
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Post by Cletus on Oct 14, 2018 21:33:42 GMT -5
I have given this a little more thought since i last posted....
How can a day be evil? did the day do something against God or His ways?
Oh how I LOVE the book of genesis. there are so many topics that if we consider the first three chapters it gives perspective. for instance:
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The light God made and saw it was good and then named it day does not sin against God. its what people do thats evil. If we do not celebrate THOSE THINGS then we are not participating in the wickedness associated with those days.
Me personally, i do not tell my children about tooth fairies and santa clause (pagan god yule) or easter bunnies that lay colorful eggs which is a depiction of a pagan god of fertility that must be appeased for bountiful crops, etc. Lets just be real here, a christian celebrates Jesus, and a Christian that is seeking Him celebrates Jesus everyday. not just on sundays and holidays.
At the same time, if a Christian chooses to not regard the day we should not say wootee wootee woo on them. no shame shame... because they do not regard the day to honor the same God we choose to honor by regarding the day. That is their faith, their religion, their walk, their conscious to God. it is Holy for them to not celebrate, because if they did their conscious would be violated. But I think we should point out Gods Written Word says God made the light, called it day, and saw it was GOOD.
I used to against celebrating everything but Christmas and thanksgiving. and i was kinda legalistic about it. in a sense. i wouldnt do this or that but once i realized pretty much everything, even the gift giving comes from pagan traditions... i also realized... but i do not celebrate yule or yule tide, i do not celebrate the equinox, i do not celebrate earth sun and moon and seasons. Still though i wont do a christmas tree because I know the origins of that and i do not like to christianize it. But i dont look at that stuff anymore. I look at and celebrate that a little baby was born... unto us. Our maker, left His throne and His riches and became one of us. its like making an ant and then becoming an ant. I even look at halloween different now. I know whats going on, I know what its about. but what if I was to dress up like Jesus and preach the gospel. instead of giving candy, giving out pocket bibles or little pamplets that give a shortened version of the Good News? What then do I celebrate? We are in the world, but we are not of the world and we are not to be like the world... but we are still in the world and we still have a calling. Hosea was told to take a wife of whoredoms to be a living example to Gods people of how God was married to a whore. what ever I can do, if even one will hear, I want God to use me to speak to them. and by the way, a Jesus costume can be had for 24.99USD plus shipping.
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Post by Giller on Oct 14, 2018 23:03:20 GMT -5
Also other things to consider are these verses:
Heb 4:12 (12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Now some might say, well as long as my intention is right, but notice what the word of God says here, it says that the word of God is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
We have to make sure that the intentions of our heart, matches up to the bible, or matches up to God's intentions.
The bible also says this:
Jer 17:9-10 (9) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (10) I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
The heart is desperately wicked, hmmm.
And then there is this next scripture:
Deu 12:29-31 (29) When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; (30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. (31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
When it says even so will I do likewise, it was talking to the Israelites doing likewise if they did not heed what God said, and God afterwards says that thou shall not do so unto the Lord thy God.
Here is a comment from John Gill on this:
(John Gill)
(Deuteronomy 12:31
Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God,.... Not serve and worship him after the manner of the Gentiles, nor introduce their rites and customs into his service, used by them in the worship of their gods:)
So it is to not serve other gods, as the other nations did, but also it is not to serve the true God, in the same manner they worshiped their gods, nor to introduce their rites and customs into his service.
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Post by ladypeartree on Oct 15, 2018 4:23:47 GMT -5
How many even think about the fact that the calendar we use was altered several times the most notable being when several days were "skipped " when scholars decided tat we had all been failing to take into account the earths uneven rotation leading to yet another special " day April fools day so the December 25th e celebrate (or not ) is not the same December 25th that those who do not follow the gorgonian calendar celebrate ( or not ) so which day is evil ( or not ) Sorry but o much wasted effort to prove something that cant be proven
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Post by frienduff on Oct 15, 2018 10:48:42 GMT -5
Also other things to consider are these verses: Heb 4:12 (12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Now some might say, well as long as my intention is right, but notice what the word of God says here, it says that the word of God is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. We have to make sure that the intentions of our heart, matches up to the bible, or matches up to God's intentions. The bible also says this: Jer 17:9-10 (9) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (10) I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. The heart is desperately wicked, hmmm. And then there is this next scripture: Deu 12:29-31 (29) When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; (30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. (31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. When it says even so will I do likewise, it was talking to the Israelites doing likewise if they did not heed what God said, and God afterwards says that thou shall not do so unto the Lord thy God. Here is a comment from John Gill on this: (John Gill) (Deuteronomy 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God,.... Not serve and worship him after the manner of the Gentiles, nor introduce their rites and customs into his service, used by them in the worship of their gods:) So it is to not serve other gods, as the other nations did, but also it is not to serve the true God, in the same manner they worshiped their gods, nor to introduce their rites and customs into his service. Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God,.... Not serve and worship him after the manner of the Gentiles, nor introduce their rites and customs into his service, used by them in the worship of their gods:)
So it is to not serve other gods, as the other nations did, but also it is not to serve the true God, in the same manner they worshiped their gods, nor to introduce their rites and customs into his service. THIS IS BRINGING STRANGE FIRE into the alter worship of GOD . OH let us remember Aarons SONS who did so . THE FIRE of GOD burned them up . We do not bring other methods which the pagans have used to worship their gods and try and christanize it . All who do so , will be badly deceived and for all this does the wrath of GOD COME . Be on guard . OH BE ON GUARD . for many yoga style and contemplative style and other types of worship and mediation do many bring into the HOUSE of GOD . Let no man or woman partake of it . A delusion sweeps the churches and its end will not bode well .
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Post by Giller on Oct 15, 2018 13:30:11 GMT -5
But then there is more.
God actually considers the root of things, which I will prove by the bible.
The only thing I am concerned about is whether something is biblical or not.
And many arguments concerning these issues, can actually not be valid, and has nothing to do with the issue at hand, even on both sides of the coin.
Some will use the argument of Mazda cars, because Mazda is the name of another god, therefore some will say that this or that day is justifiable to be observed seeing cars named Mazda can be used.
Now the things we have to remember is that a Mazda car all by itself, is just a car, which brings you from point a to point b.
It is just a thing you travel with.
And then if you think about Joseph (Jacob's son), he had a high ranking office within Egypt.
And it may be that he did use chariots driven by horses, during this time, and at times these chariots were used for war, but also for some type of travel.
And these chariots may have even had a pagan symbol on it, yet Joseph would have used it just to get from point a to point b.
And also God allowed the Israelites, from time to time, to take spoil from the nations they conquered.
See certain types of spoils and chariots are just things, and a vehicle is just something to get you from point a to point b.
These things have nothing to do with a celebration or a feast, or doing something in honor of something.
These arguments are not valid within the subject at hand.
So here are scriptures, concerning how God does consider roots.
Deu 29:18
(18) Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
Here are comments on this:
(Adam Clarke)
(Deuteronomy 29:18
A root that beareth gall and wormwood - That is, as the apostle expresses it, Heb_3:12, An evil heart of unbelief departing from the living God; for to this place he evidently refers. It may also signify false doctrines, or idolatrous persons among themselves.)
(Jimmy Swaggart)
(a striking image of the destructive fruit borne by idolatry; and let the Reader understand, idolatry, even in Christendom, isn't dead; any worship that is centered up in anything except Jesus Christ and Him Crucified can be construed as nothing more than odilatry )
And here is another scripture:
Heb 12:15
(15) Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
God wants for us to cut off bad roots, he does not redeem bad roots, but wants them to be cut off.
So if a celebration is purported to be godly, check to see the roots of it.
And look into things biblically as regards purity.
I will mention more from other scriptures later.
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Post by John on Oct 15, 2018 13:38:54 GMT -5
Also other things to consider are these verses: Heb 4:12 (12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Now some might say, well as long as my intention is right, but notice what the word of God says here, it says that the word of God is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. We have to make sure that the intentions of our heart, matches up to the bible, or matches up to God's intentions. The bible also says this: Jer 17:9-10 (9) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (10) I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. The heart is desperately wicked, hmmm. And then there is this next scripture: Deu 12:29-31 (29) When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; (30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. (31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. When it says even so will I do likewise, it was talking to the Israelites doing likewise if they did not heed what God said, and God afterwards says that thou shall not do so unto the Lord thy God. Here is a comment from John Gill on this: (John Gill) (Deuteronomy 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God,.... Not serve and worship him after the manner of the Gentiles, nor introduce their rites and customs into his service, used by them in the worship of their gods:) So it is to not serve other gods, as the other nations did, but also it is not to serve the true God, in the same manner they worshiped their gods, nor to introduce their rites and customs into his service. Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God,.... Not serve and worship him after the manner of the Gentiles, nor introduce their rites and customs into his service, used by them in the worship of their gods:)
So it is to not serve other gods, as the other nations did, but also it is not to serve the true God, in the same manner they worshiped their gods, nor to introduce their rites and customs into his service. THIS IS BRINGING STRANGE FIRE into the alter worship of GOD . OH let us remember Aarons SONS who did so . THE FIRE of GOD burned them up . We do not bring other methods which the pagans have used to worship their gods and try and christanize it . All who do so , will be badly deceived and for all this does the wrath of GOD COME . Be on guard . OH BE ON GUARD . for many yoga style and contemplative style and other types of worship and mediation do many bring into the HOUSE of GOD . Let no man or woman partake of it . A delusion sweeps the churches and its end will not bode well .
All of that would be valid in a worship service. If you bring things from pagan worship and mix it with Christian worship, you would be guilty, but we are talking about someone singing Christmas carols, having a family dinner, possibly setting up decorations with colorful lights, putting out a manger scene and things like that with no connection to worship. They are just things people do for fun and in remembrance of Jesus' birth. To me, that is not close to strange fire as described in the Old Testament.
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Post by frienduff on Oct 15, 2018 21:32:30 GMT -5
Butero , I don't care what the pope and others would say about you , if they knew you . OL FRIENDUFF LOVES YA . But then again if the pope knew us and said , WOW those are real christains , WE BETTER WAIL cause that means SOMETHING WENT BAD WRONG in us . NOW throw those hands up butero. THROW THEM UP and PRAISE THE LORD .
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