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Post by frienduff on Jul 29, 2018 17:41:19 GMT -5
I wonder how paul or james , peter or jude , would look like to this generation . James hollered out the words you adulterers and adulteresses , Don't you KNOW that friendship with the world is enmity with GOD . Paul had a false prophet blinded . Paul had some delivered unto satan for destruction of the flesh . Paul warned how he would be if they repented not when he was come face to face . You can tell paul was FIRST warning them , SO they would repent . Because paul , like anyone here , would rather have joy seeing people walkng in the true faith , RATHER than the ROD . However paul , jude , james , peter and others , Were fast to correct and I seen no love story between any of them and false prophets and deceivers . Even JOHN said he was going to deal with that one deceiver . I wonder if anyone truly knows why its like this . ITS THE HOLY SPIRIT . WHAT angers GOD is going to anger those who are of that spirit . Whatever honors GOD is going to bring joy to those WHO have his spirit . Paul got stirred more than once by the SPIRIT . once it mentions it when he seen the city given to idolaroty . This is why I say this last thing . GOD despises this image of the all inclusive god that denies JESUS that they have created with this all inclusive mindset . I guarantee IT angers HIM . ROME with this message and all who share in it, THEY ARE TRODDING JESUS UNDERFOOT as NOT NECESSARY . I assure us all, GOD IS NOT WELL PLEASED . And for this His wrath will come against the ungodly . Read peter or jude . Jude , phew wee, he says it like it is . THIER IS no hug fest for false prophets . GOD does GET ANGRY . Men wont repent and keep getting worse GOD does get angry . I pray many repent of this wicked monster all inclusive hate fest which they call love . AND DO IT FAST . For the FURY of GOD will come . IF under the law a one could be killed with two or three witnesses , HOW MUCH SORER , WORSE , a punishment for those who trod the son of GOD under foot I warn us all. GOD is not well pleased with this all inclsvie unity with rome and all, for world peace .
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 29, 2018 17:47:26 GMT -5
frienduff you are strongly against the all-inclusive thing because you know how destructive it is. Once you understand the danger we are up against, you have to speak up with a stern warning. That cliff is very, very real.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 29, 2018 22:24:39 GMT -5
frienduff you are strongly against the all-inclusive thing because you know how destructive it is. Once you understand the danger we are up against, you have to speak up with a stern warning. That cliff is very, very real. You loved sister . That is right . And we here do love one another . So we will keep on reminding and exhorting and pointing to Christ . Even the first time I seen letters at worthy , I knew he was doing what was just best for the people . And the exhortations were good . I have not seen any of us here , say something to purposefully just try and be mean and hate anyone . Not even close . Its been for the good of the people and to the GLORY OF GOD . Yall, we truly do have a monster of a delusion building , And it truly is and will lead the world right into a common mindset right to the beast . The end is much closer than I think even we realize . Things can move Super fast under a strong delusion . I mean , LOOK at how that tornoto so called blessing moved . IT RIPPED world wide in such a short time . I fully believe that this site getting started was a true unction FROM THE LORD . Cause we got to be around like minded brethren , it builds us up , as the SPIRIT works through each one to contribute its part to the body . And I also believe their is another reason too . But that can be discussed when the time draws near . I really think some of us will be meeting in person as the Great tribulation hour comes rolling in .
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Post by frienduff on Jul 29, 2018 22:33:09 GMT -5
I leave us with WHAT JOHN said ABOUT WHAT LOVE TRULY IS . WE know what paul said , BUT ALSO LOOK at what JOHN says . ANd it all agrees .
And JESUS had said it FIRST . John chapter five verse three. FOR THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD , FOR THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD , FOR THIS IS THE LOVE of GOD . Ready , lets say the whole thing as one TOGETHER NOW . FOR THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD , that we keep HIS commandments and his commandments are not grievous . THAT IS THE LOVE OF GOD . As JESUS first said , HE WHO LOVES ME , KEEPS MY SAYINGS . YES , THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD . IT TRULY IS . AND IT SHOWS WHO WE LOVE . As JOHN also says , little children , LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU , HE that DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS, catch that , who Does righteousness is righteousn , even as HE is righteous . For as paul told titus , The grace of GOD that brings salvation has appeared to all, TEACHING US , TEACHING US to deny ungodliness and wordly lusts , to be walkng soberly righteously and godly . YES . A tree is truly known by its fruits . WHEN willfull sinners like the gay movment or others who willfully sin , SAY they KNOW GOD yet , they walking in darkness, we know They do not , we know the truth is not in them. Sure that might not sound like an all inclusive message , BUT ITS TRUTH . and we here LOVE TRUTH .
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Post by Cletus on Jul 29, 2018 22:33:27 GMT -5
lol... hug fest.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 29, 2018 22:35:24 GMT -5
And since we LOVE TRUTH , we know how to love men . AKA, warn someone walking off a cliff, DONT JUST love them the false way TO THIER OWN DEATH . I mean the end of sin , IS DEATH . warn a soul .
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Post by Cletus on Jul 29, 2018 23:45:51 GMT -5
And since we LOVE TRUTH , we know how to love men . AKA, warn someone walking off a cliff, DONT JUST love them the false way TO THIER OWN DEATH . I mean the end of sin , IS DEATH . warn a soul . I used to have a tshirt your post made me think of. it had the WB for warner bros cartoons, you know bugs bunny and elmer fudd... but beside the WB it said WARN THE BROTHERS! and on the other side it said JESUS IS COMING!... it had scriptures too. I used to have a bunch of shirts like that. Another was like crest toothpaste but said Christ instead of crest and it said whitens hearts and freshens lives. you took it back for me there with warn a soul.
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Post by Cletus on Jul 29, 2018 23:55:21 GMT -5
not to far back in history when someone knew you were a christian and they let a cuss word slip in front of you they would apologize. anyone remember this?
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Post by John on Jul 30, 2018 5:09:14 GMT -5
This is a very good description of the modern Christian church... That is the modern church alright, and the struggle we are facing. On the one hand, warn people to turn so they don't fall off the cliff, and on the other hand, say nothing to possibly offend them so they will like us, even if that means they fall off the cliff and spend eternity in hell. Way too many choosing to let others fall to their doom.
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Post by John on Jul 30, 2018 5:22:12 GMT -5
not to far back in history when someone knew you were a christian and they let a cuss word slip in front of you they would apologize. anyone remember this? I have had people do that to me that I came in contact with on the job. I never would say anything about the language they would use, but they would just apologize for letting a bad word slip.
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Post by Sister on Jul 30, 2018 5:54:14 GMT -5
People notice when you don't swear in conversation. It's kind of funny how not swearing stands out.
One of the mothers from my son's school who I had spoken to on about 4 or 5 different occasions, came running out of the car up to me and said "You don't swear do you? I said, no not usually, but I used to swear a lot in the old days. She told me she was so sorry for swearing in front of me every time, and was very red faced. I told her not to worry about it, and I should of said more, but that day she was in a rush and left quickly. I noticed that she avoids me now when she sees me, and I go out of my way to say hello to her, and give her a big hug. I am hoping to have "that conversation" with her one of these days, so I let her know that she is still loved and that I am still approachable,...in preparation for that big talk I want to have with her.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jul 30, 2018 7:30:16 GMT -5
People notice when you don't swear in conversation. It's kind of funny how not swearing stands out. One of the mothers from my son's school who I had spoken to on about 4 or 5 different occasions, came running out of the car up to me and said "You don't swear do you? I said, no not usually, but I used to swear a lot in the old days. She told me she was so sorry for swearing in front of me every time, and was very red faced. I told her not to worry about it, and I should of said more, but that day she was in a rush and left quickly. I noticed that she avoids me now when she sees me, and I go out of my way to say hello to her, and give her a big hug. I am hoping to have "that conversation" with her one of these days, so I let her know that she is still loved and that I am still approachable,...in preparation for that big talk I want to have with her. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." - Matthew 5:16
"For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men..." - 1 Peter 2:15
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 8:16:18 GMT -5
To compare our society with that of ancient Judea is apples and oranges. Public shame is almost nonexistent in our culture How that translates to all times is that all sinners are under the condemnation of the Law regardless of whether a culture is permissive or phariseeical, or anything in between. The gospel doesn't change regardless, that is the point I’m making…it remains the same throughout all times and all cultures. It is still about loosing the captives through forgiveness….it still offers grace through faith in Christ as an answer to condemnation.
(unless you're called a racist bigot for being a conservative Christian). In our culture today, the more godless you are, the more secure your income/property/public image will be. Millions of conservative Christians in Western countries don't dare mention their beliefs in the workplace for fear of HR investigations. They are forced to watch training videos on the normalcy of a man in a women's bathroom, forced to sign HR documents swearing that they will abide by the rules, and forced to call a male supervisor "ma'am", unless they want to quit their job and change careers. Sure, they can leave for a better job elsewhere, but it's a matter of time before the training video shows up there next. I don't know what this has to do with the topic at hand. But in any case our response should not be to be indignant and resentful, we should even rejoice that we get to pay a price to follow Jesus. Of course many will have to quit jobs and careers and count it as loss to gain Christ, that is a given. We will be losing more than that soon....it is not hard at all compared to the price others are paying in other countries, and we will be here too before long.The bad fish will ultimately be removed from God's kingdom, but no one is telling them that now. They're not being removed from churches. They're not being removed from leadership positions that give them voting power within large denominations. They're not losing jobs as theology professors in seminaries. They're not being discouraged from writing Bible study books. Instead of leaving, they move up the ranks to pastor megachurches, produce big-budget worship albums, and control the printing press at Christian publishers. Once they secure these leadership roles, they advise the sheep that it's best to sit through the training videos at work. Still the gospel changes not. And it's because the wheat and tares grow together until the end, it's not up to us to remove tares or bad fish, but simply keep holding up the unchanging gospel. And if we have been rejected, beaten up and spat out by the spirit that is in the erring church, we can learn to rejoice in being separated from that, instead of being resentful.I don't know where we got this idea that the "milk of the word" is something squishy. The gospel starts with repentance. That's milk. No one gets anywhere with Jesus until they repent. Hebrews 5 says milk is for those "unskilled in the ways of righteousness." Hebrews 6 then clearly identifies repentance from dead works as the most basic, elementary teaching of Christ. Fish are caught in the net of repentance, not love. There are no Bible verses that say you can enter God's kingdom by accepting God's love. Repentance is the entrance. Then you have the rest of your life to decide if you want to stay repentant. I don't have that idea. Once again you are ascribing to that term with respect to the false gospels out there. The milk of the word is not squishy....but it is compassionate and gentle and full of grace and has power to wash sins away. And where did anyone get the idea that I disagree with repentance.....I just don't agree with adding our own attitudes to it. Repentance is not condemnation, it is a change of mind and heart....a work of grace. And conviction is not condemnation either.....it is light that inspires Godly sorrow that leads to repentance. Condemnation kills. God's kindness still leads to repentance......and it is part of His kindness to show us our sins without adding condemnation to it...thanks to the sacrifice of His Son.
We've been trying this "just love them" strategy for decades, and now we have Joel Osteen teaching new age heresy as the most famous Christian in the world. This needs to stop. Once again we are conflating the lost and the church together in this conversation. How we approach those inside the church is not the same as how we approach those outside the church….those inside we are to judge their actions, but those outside the church I worry that we have forgotten we are not to judge them at all. Lost souls are to be entreated with the gospel for the most part…..those inside the church are to be taught and discipled.........reproved, rebuked, encouraged, comforted, instructed in righteousness, once they come in.
I don’t believe it’s up to us to change the erring church…..we have left it behind (if we have). It’s up to individuals to change or not change. It's only up to us to keep holding up the unchanging gospel. Only the light of the pure unchanging immoveable gospel can truly show up the false for what it is.
All I'm saying is that we need to be careful of leaning too far in the opposite direction in response to the error that is out there. Ultimately it's in our own hearts how we respond. If grace and love have actually become dirty words to us, then we are ourselves are going to bring a false gospel, just in another way. How we know they have become dirty words to us, is if anytime someone mentions those words it is automatically ascribed to them that they mean it the same way the seeker-friendly churches do……as if it’s not even possible to mean it just as the bible means it any more. And for any who can’t agree in principle that the gospel changes not and remains the same regardless of circumstances, that says something as well.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 30, 2018 9:16:39 GMT -5
Sister watchful . I know what you are saying . We should not harbor ill will towards those who persecute us , and we should not focus on and harbor ill will For losing jobs for HIS sake , for losing so called freedoms in this life FOR HIS sake . I worry too that this will bring the wrong kind of attitude towards the lost and not only that , I see some folks in dire grave danger because they focus on those things . We got many all focused on our freedoms of speech , on religious tolerance , and they complain , WHEN as JESUS said WE SHOULD BE REJOICING . Not only that , but be on guard for where this leads . THE religious tolerance that politics , rome and others are pushing , I WARN US ALL ITS A SHAM . I PROMISE IT IS . This is just to get us to find a common cuase for unity . You all watch , you will see it . Religoins will also be joining hand in hand for this religious tolerance And be on guard for this too , SO will some gays , yes that is right , some gays will unify with churches too . AND folks will be like ...............wow they love , wow they must know GOD . many who are gay are also tied into religion . Its a super madhouse of delusion going on . IF we only knew that this is only the agenda of satan . His desire is to do what , HAND a entire world over to the beast , SO he is making the mindsets of the world ready for that , under the unity guise . And be on guard satan is very clever . He will use those things to unify people who should not be UNIFIED . WE must stop worrying about our freedoms . JESUS said , BLESSEED are you WHEN WHEN you are persecuted for his name sake. IT is written not to be unequally yoke with any , no matter IF IT BE FOR A GOOD CAUSE or what seems as a good cause . People who do this , FALL AWAY . I truly wish that we all clearly understand that this world is not our home , that our kingdom is above and that we do the battles of that KINGDOM where our weapons are spiritual to the pulling down of strongholds and every imagination that exalts itself against God.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 30, 2018 10:32:18 GMT -5
This is something I've seen in my own extended family. A conservative Baptist pastor has a son who comes out gay. At first it's a conflict. The pastor says he'll hold the line that gay lifestyles are sinful. But the son starts using blackmail, saying he won't visit on Christmas until he gets an apology. He finds a gay church (yes these are real), settles into a "healthy, loving" relationship with his gay lover, and promises to "love" his parents from a distance until they come to their senses.
Next thing you know, the pastor is not so conservative about whether gay people are wrong. Last time we saw them at a family dinner, the gay son sat next to them at the table, bowing his head in unity during a prayer for fellowship over the meal.
Reprobates are using love to evangelize Christians in other direction. It happens everywhere. If "love" is the "good fruit" of being a Christian, then all you have to do is appear to be loving, and Christians lose the game.
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