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Post by Cletus on Feb 27, 2019 11:09:37 GMT -5
well if you are going to bring it back up i still have the same opinion too and based on this scripture... 1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? i have laid hands on someone with a headache and it got better, but someone sick or going blind no. I mean, i have laid hands on, believed God is able but nothing happened. could God use me to heal someone.. sure. why not?... He Is. Can God speak thru any of His own with any language he wants?... sure. why not?... He Is. The author is asking a question, which means time to put the thinking cap on. it seems like to me its implied do all speak with tongues is not everyone does. I understand not everyone will agree with this. I used to believe everyone would speak in tongues once baptized with Fire. but once i really gave thought to this scripture it seems to me that no, not everyone does. if you do not agree with me thats fine. i dont really care as this isnt really a salvation issue. I also dont really care because i do speak in tongues, interpret tongues, discern spirits, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, i have also experienced the gift of faith and miracles but was not allowed to speak freely when it was in me, i was just allowed to experience it. based on what i have told some of you God has told me i highly suspect there is one more gift He will move thru me in before i breathe my last. I do want close with one thing. this topic has cause a lot of strife in the past. the passage i quoted above is continued with the author saying to covet earnestly the best gifts... so maybe we just have to ask seek and knock for some of them. but He continues on... yet shew I unto thee a more excellent way. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. He continues to say faith Hope and Love/charity... but the greatest is Love. if you dont agree with me thats fine. i just dont want to see this turn into strife and arguing. because prophecy will fail/vanish and tongues will cease. Knowledge will vanish. but love never fails. That is okay Cletus. There is no need for strife over things like this, and it is not a salvation issue. I just see the tongues people speak when they receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost as a different experience from receiving the gift of tongues that are mentioned in Corinthians. One is a prayer language that is for our edification, and one is a gift that is used to edify the body of Christ. Everyone in the upper room spoke in tongues when they were filled, and so did the people in the other instances I mentioned in Acts. That is why I do not agree with you on this.
Even so, I have never demanded everyone agree on such things, and still do not. Most of the issues that divide the church are not worth striving over. They are based on a misunderstanding of scripture. That is going to happen. I didn't intend to bring this back up until another thread was started on the same subject, and I didn't feel the need to re-do the whole thing when my position hadn't changed. I figured it was easier to just bump this thread back up again. People are not really behind the strife anyway, demonic forces are. They stir people up to fight. It is certainly not showing the fruit of the Spirit at work in our lives when we fight over doctrine. Discussing is one thing, fighting is another.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. Galatians 5:22-26
would be interesting if you could elaborate on prayer languages vs. gift of tongues.
before i had hands laid on me i had been slain in the spirit and spoke in tongues, and received the interpretation. this language was different than what i normally speak.
its possible that what you say is true, thats probably not the best way to word that but the coffee aint kicked in yet... its possible i just have both and never perceived a difference between the two. I have a language that i have never heard anyone else speak.... except once. I was in my room praying and praising and speaking in tongues. i began to hear in my spirit a drum beat and i began to dance in the spirit. then it was in song but someone, an older man began to sing this tongue. i do not know what was said as the interpretation i got was just... he is praying over me. I am part native... the beat sounded native and my language sounds native... but its not any native language. some have said maybe its hebrew or aramaic as they can sound that way... but nope its not.
my theory in what you say is that there is a gift of tongues that we get sometimes... as i said above(short 2 sentence paragraph)... and that was not the language i normally speak(longer paragraph)... but tongues in general is our language and we can do that all the time? When I spoke in tongues the first time it felt like the Holy Spirit fell on me, much like when God would speak thru my mouth the gospel to others, much like when the spirit fell on me in word of knowledge, or when God spoke interpretations of dreams thru me. I had not thought of this until I read what you just wrote, so would like to see what you have to say more on this.
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Post by John on Feb 27, 2019 12:53:44 GMT -5
Let's start at the beginning in Acts chapter 2, when the Holy Ghost was first poured out.
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:1-4
Right off the bat, we see that all of the people that were in the upper room spoke in tongues, not just some of them. They did this at the same time, and were not giving out messages followed by interpretations. When they leave the upper room, they are still speaking in tongues, not to the crowd, as some mistakenly think, but they are just doing it and the multitudes happened to hear them. You have people there that speak many different languages, and they say of those who were just filled with the Spirit in verse 11...
...we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
All tongues are a real language of some kind. It will just be a language we didn't learn naturally, and our mind doesn't understand when we speak it. What I believe was happening was they were not preaching messages to the crowd, but they were all glorifying God and praising the Lord in a language they didn't understand, but people in the crowd recognized. If this was the gift of tongues, and it was only for some, out of those in the upper room, it would seem that most wouldn't have been talking in tongues, but only those who received that particular gift.
In my OP, I already showed that in other instances where people received the Holy Ghost baptism, they all spoke in tongues. That gives us a pattern. But to the purpose of tongues. We know about the gift of tongues, and how they are so we can receive a message from the Spirit, and then share it, for the edification of others. If all tongues were the gift of tongues, this would be the only time we would use this gift, and it would always be in tongues understood by men and women, but that is not the case. Men and women do not naturally speak in the tongues of angels, yet there are times where the Spirit-filled man or woman does.
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or tinkling cymbal. 1 Corinthians 13:1
You wouldn't speak in tongues of angels to edify others, but the Spirit might pray through you in the tongues of angels. God understands all languages. We pray in tongues to get past our intellect. When we do not know what to pray for, the Spirit prays through us.
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Romans 8:26,27 When you go back to 1 Corinthians 14, Paul speaks of the gift of tongues, and in verse 12 and 13, he says...
Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
In the church, when it comes to the gift of tongues, if you are going to speak in tongues, you need to interpret as well, because it does no good for anyone but you. The Spirit is praying, but nobody understands the words. That is in the church when the gift is being used, but when you are praying to God and you are alone, that is a different situation. Jumping down to verse 18 and 19...
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than you all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
If this is all about the gift of tongues and interpretation, why does Paul mention speaking in tongues in the church as different from outside the church? There would never be any occasion to exercise this spiritual gift while praying at home if it was to give an interpretation to a church body. Let's back up one more time to 1 Corinthians 14:4,5
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
If I am alone and praying or praising God, I will often pray in tongues and with my understanding as well, but that is not the gift of tongues and interpretation. That is how the Spirit speaks through us and prays for the will of God to be done or simply inspires praise. I do not have the gift of tongues, but do have a prayer language I received when I was baptized in the Holy Ghost at a tent meeting many years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 15:29:35 GMT -5
...but notice that in all three example I gave in Acts, the initial evidence they were baptized was they spoke in tongues.
As I have said, speaking in tongues is just a sign the baptism have took place. But there are other signs as I have already mentioned.
And if anyone still has any doubts, ask confirmation from the Lord Himself because not all will speak in tongues.
Again, it is something between them and the Lord.
And the fruits resulting of the baptism in the Holy Spirit must be present.
"But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His." - Romans 8:9
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." - Romans 8:14
"Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." - John 8:36
And how many, how many are being foolish regarding this!?
"For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them." - Matthew 13:15
"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." - Matthew 6:24
"Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision." - Joel 3:14I know I contradict myself but I wish you'd stop using that painful looking ugly red font. Maybe blue would be better. Maybe a royal purple!
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Post by John on Feb 27, 2019 18:22:48 GMT -5
As I have said, speaking in tongues is just a sign the baptism have took place. But there are other signs as I have already mentioned.
And if anyone still has any doubts, ask confirmation from the Lord Himself because not all will speak in tongues.
Again, it is something between them and the Lord.
And the fruits resulting of the baptism in the Holy Spirit must be present.
"But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His." - Romans 8:9
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." - Romans 8:14
"Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." - John 8:36
And how many, how many are being foolish regarding this!?
"For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them." - Matthew 13:15
"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." - Matthew 6:24
"Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision." - Joel 3:14 I know I contradict myself but I wish you'd stop using that painful looking ugly red font. Maybe blue would be better. Maybe a royal purple! I wonder what it is about the color red that bothers you? I personally like red. It has always been my favorite color, but I prefer black when I am writing. Red is what teachers use when they are marking a paper, so maybe that is it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 20:23:05 GMT -5
I know I contradict myself but I wish you'd stop using that painful looking ugly red font. Maybe blue would be better. Maybe a royal purple! I wonder what it is about the color red that bothers you? I personally like red. It has always been my favorite color, but I prefer black when I am writing. Red is what teachers use when they are marking a paper, so maybe that is it?
Don't get me wrong, Red is the color of passion and spice!! But it also is the color of blood. Blood = ouchy pain. I love Red, just not on a mobile screen.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Feb 28, 2019 7:23:55 GMT -5
I know I contradict myself but I wish you'd stop using that painful looking ugly red font. Maybe blue would be better. Maybe a royal purple! OK, I will make it darker.
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Post by Sister on Feb 28, 2019 8:47:32 GMT -5
My bible has the words of Christ speaking printed in red. So I only use red on here for the same reason that it stands out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 11:09:59 GMT -5
I know I contradict myself but I wish you'd stop using that painful looking ugly red font. Maybe blue would be better. Maybe a royal purple! OK, I will make it darker.Sounds good. Even more authoritatitive.
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Post by John on Mar 2, 2019 11:37:48 GMT -5
My bible has the words of Christ speaking printed in red. So I only use red on here for the same reason that it stands out. You all can use whatever colors you want. There is nothing wrong with using red.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 16:24:10 GMT -5
My bible has the words of Christ speaking printed in red. So I only use red on here for the same reason that it stands out. You all can use whatever colors you want. There is nothing wrong with using red.
It may be just personal preference
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Post by John on Jan 21, 2020 9:50:51 GMT -5
There is a lot of misunderstanding about the baptism of the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues. I want to try to address this from the Bible and from my understanding as a Pentecostal Pastor. I was Pastor of a Pentecostal Holiness Church, and am very familiar with what the Bible teaches and what Pentecostals and charismatic churches teach. These two groups are not exactly the same, as Apostolic churches also differ in certain areas. I am not concerned with explaining the differences so much as just showing what the Bible has to say. Let's begin with the words of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me because I go to the Father. John 16:7-16
Jesus considered the Baptism of the Holy Ghost of great importance. It was not some after thought or something that was of little value compared to everything else.
And being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:4-8
Once again, Jesus places great emphasis on the Baptism in the Holy Ghost. Before I continue, every born again Christian has a measure of the Spirit, or they wouldn't belong to Christ, but not every Christian has received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Let's move on.
AND when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:1-4
Before we continue, notice a couple of things. First of all, they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues. It was not just some of them that spoke in tongues, but all of them. This event occurred while they were in the upper room, and they all spoke the same language, so they didn't need to speak in other tongues in the upper room to be understood. As a matter of fact, they wouldn't understand other tongues. If this was only for some and only so people of other languages could understand, why would they need to all speak with other tongues while in the upper room?
Apparently, they leave the upper room and go out into the streets, and are still speaking in tongues. As a result, people heard them speaking in different languages. At the time, there were people gathered there from "every nation under heaven" and they heard these men speak "in our own tongue, wherein we were born." They were speaking in real languages, but not ones they had ever learned. The Spirit was speaking through them. What were they speaking? "The wonderful works of God." I am not convinced they were preaching a sermon or anything close to that. They were likely praising God in words they didn't understand, but the people gathered there did. Speaking in tongues was an initial evidence they had received the Holy Spirit, and they were not the only people to experience this.
In Acts Chapter 10, Peter went to the house of a gentile named Cornelius to preach the gospel to him and his family. Notice what it says happened after they believed and got saved. Verses 44-48
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Notice that the Holy Ghost fell on all of them which heard the word, not some of them. The Apostles recognized they had been filled because of the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. Once again, this is not the final example we have that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence. We are given a third example. In Acts chapter 19, the Apostles encountered people that believed because of John the Baptist and had received water baptism, but not the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Notice what it says in verse 2-6
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them; the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
It wasn't just a few that spoke in tongues, but all of them as an initial evidence. I would also point out that Simon the sorcerer saw this taking place, and desired the ability to lay hands on people to where they would receive the Holy Ghost. There had to be some kind of evidence people were receiving or he wouldn't try to purchase this ability with money. It is separate from the salvation experience. It is also different from the gift of the Spirit of speaking in tongues. The Holy Ghost himself is a gift from God, but the Holy spirit will then give additional gifts to Christians to use for God's purposes. One is called the gift of tongues and there is also the gift of interpretation of tongues. The Bible speaks of that in Corinthians, and gives certain guidelines for using these gifts so people won't do things that are disruptive and out of order. If a person speaks in tongues, to be in order, there must be an interpretation given. The question came up about all the people speaking in tongues that don't interpret. In Pentecostal churches, the people do not sit quietly while one person prays a prayer for all, but everyone prays in their own words at the same time, and sometimes that is in tongues. These prayers are personal and don't require an interpretation, and are not out of order or disruptive. There is no reason to sit around trying to judge if they are praying in a real language. That is between them and God. We have reason to judge doctrine, not individual's prayer language.
I want to address something else. There are tongues of angels, as Paul mentions them. In 1 Corinthians 13:1, it says, "THOUGH I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." Paul says in chapter 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." This is the prayer language we receive when we are baptized in the Holy Ghost. That is different from the gift of tongues. In 1 Corinthians 14:3,4, Paul says "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church." They are two different things. Paul did not make light of prayer tongues. In chapter 14:18,19 he says, "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." Jesus didn't make light of tongues and neither did Paul. Paul is speaking of doing things in an orderly manner. That is all.
As far as being slain in the Spirit goes, I have experienced this many times and have prayed for at least one person that was slain in the Spirit. If you have never experienced it, you wouldn't understand. This is nothing more than going into a trance like state for a time while the Spirit of God ministers to you. Trances are in the Bible. Peter went into a trance and saw a vision that led to him going to preach to Cornelius and his household.
Are there things taking place in the church world that are not from God? Of course there is. I am aware of the church where someone was wearing a dog collar and chain and saying that "where he is I will follow." That was nothing more than flesh. It was a type of word picture. An example like that hardly compares with someone being under the power of God so strong they fall into a trance. I have heard of people rolling on the floor, which led to the name, "holy rollers," but I have never seen or experienced this. I have heard of many different things taking place in charismatic and Pentecostal churches that are questionable, but it is my position that every person that receives the baptism in the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues when they are initially filled, and there are numerous examples of this in Acts as I have already shown. I pray in tongues on a regular basis. It is really nobody's place to judge whether it is real or not. I am very careful about judging any potential manifestation of the Spirit. I might question some things within myself, but it has to be completely unbiblical for me to openly attack it.
I am sure this will lead to questions, or I expect it will. Feel free. I will do my best to answer them, but I think I have pretty well made my position clear as to what I believe.
I knew I had covered this topic already. There is a difference between the gift of tongues, and the ability to pray in tongues. Not everyone who has received the Baptism in the Holy Ghost has the gift of tongues, but everyone that has received the Baptism in the Holy Ghost can pray in tongues.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Jan 21, 2020 10:27:01 GMT -5
You mentioned the need for an interpreter for speaking in tongues. Here are verses that address it.
1 Corinthians 14:27-29 King James Version (KJV) 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge
If those speaking to God in tongues are to keep silent than how does that exclude personal prayers in a church service?
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Post by John on Jan 21, 2020 10:33:18 GMT -5
You mentioned the need for an interpreter for speaking in tongues. Here are verses that address it. 1 Corinthians 14:27-29 King James Version (KJV) 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge If those speaking to God in tongues are to keep silent than how does that exclude personal prayers in a church service? You don't interpret personal prayers spoken in tongues, and neither should a person be disruptive by praying in tongues in a church service. I pray in tongues going down the road, but I don't need an interpreter, because it is not a word of prophecy. In church services that I have been a part of, where people were praying in tongues, it was a group thing at an appropriate time, where everyone just prayed together to God. Everything should be done decent and in order. Do you know of cases where people prayed in tongues in a disorderly way and interrupted the service?
In most Pentecostal Churches I have been part of, when they pray as a group, everyone prays out loud to God in their own words at the same time, rather than just having one person pray while they listen and say A-men at the end. Just because something they pray happens to be in tongues, that doesn't make it out of order, and since it is a prayer to God, there is no need for an interpreter. Now, when someone takes over the service speaking in tongues, that is a different matter.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Jan 21, 2020 10:38:59 GMT -5
You mentioned the need for an interpreter for speaking in tongues. Here are verses that address it. 1 Corinthians 14:27-29 King James Version (KJV) 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge If those speaking to God in tongues are to keep silent than how does that exclude personal prayers in a church service? You don't interpret personal prayers spoken in tongues, and neither should a person be disruptive by praying in tongues in a church service. I pray in tongues going down the road, but I don't need an interpreter, because it is not a word of prophecy. In church services that I have been a part of, where people were praying in tongues, it was a group thing at an appropriate time, where everyone just prayed together to God. Everything should be done decent and in order. Do you know of cases where people prayed in tongues in a disorderly way and interrupted the service?
In most Pentecostal Churches I have been part of, when they pray as a group, everyone prays out loud to God in their own words at the same time, rather than just having one person pray while they listen and say A-men at the end. Just because something they pray happens to be in tongues, that doesn't make it out of order, and since it is a prayer to God, there is no need for an interpreter. Now, when someone takes over the service speaking in tongues, that is a different matter. I guess my question is, if people are in a group of more than two or three praying in tongues together, than are they in violation of Scripture? I agree that a prayer to God doesn't need an interpreter. But Paul was saying for others to be silent.
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Post by John on Jan 21, 2020 10:40:58 GMT -5
You don't interpret personal prayers spoken in tongues, and neither should a person be disruptive by praying in tongues in a church service. I pray in tongues going down the road, but I don't need an interpreter, because it is not a word of prophecy. In church services that I have been a part of, where people were praying in tongues, it was a group thing at an appropriate time, where everyone just prayed together to God. Everything should be done decent and in order. Do you know of cases where people prayed in tongues in a disorderly way and interrupted the service?
In most Pentecostal Churches I have been part of, when they pray as a group, everyone prays out loud to God in their own words at the same time, rather than just having one person pray while they listen and say A-men at the end. Just because something they pray happens to be in tongues, that doesn't make it out of order, and since it is a prayer to God, there is no need for an interpreter. Now, when someone takes over the service speaking in tongues, that is a different matter. I guess my question is, if people are in a group of more than two or three praying in tongues together, than are they in violation of Scripture? I agree that a prayer to God doesn't need an interpreter. But Paul was saying for others to be silent. If you are praying together in an orderly fashion, I don't think that is what it is talking about, but if someone gets up and takes over by praying in tongues over everyone else, there should be in interpretation coming.
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