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Post by Giller on Oct 1, 2018 11:27:55 GMT -5
Here is one from Webster's dictionary, within the E-Sword program:
(Webster's dictionary)
(Meekness
MEE'KNESS, n. Softness of temper; mildness; gentleness; forbearance under injuries and provocations.
1. In an evangelical sense, humility; resignation; submission to the divine will, without murmuring or peevishness; opposed to pride, arrogance and refractoriness. Gal 5.)
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Post by Giller on Oct 1, 2018 11:31:48 GMT -5
It seems to point to me to some type of mild manner, and submissiveness to God's will, and is opposed to the way of pride and having it's own way.
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Post by Giller on Oct 1, 2018 12:49:19 GMT -5
Here is a thought from John Gill:
(John Gill)
(Galatians 5:23
Meekness,.... Humility and lowliness of mind, of which Christ is an eminent example and pattern; and which the Holy Spirit from him transcribes into the heart of a regenerate person; and lies in having mean thoughts of himself, in walking humbly with God, acknowledging every favour, being thankful for every blessing, and depending on his grace, and in behaving with modesty and humility among men.)
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Post by 2fw8212a on Oct 1, 2018 12:52:51 GMT -5
It seems to point to me to some type of mild manner, and submissiveness to God's will, and is opposed to the way of pride and having it's own way. "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19
"Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 18:4
Then, you want to be called great?!
"...whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant." - Matthew 20:26
"...If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me." - Matthew 16:24
"...just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." - Matthew 20:28
"For who is greater, he who sits at the table, or he who serves? Is it not he who sits at the table? Yet I am among you as the One who serves." - Luke 22:27
Blessings, blessings in Jesus' name!
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Post by frienduff on Oct 1, 2018 16:54:28 GMT -5
“If you think meekness is weakness, try being meek for a week.” —a preacher I heard somewhere and folks forget what was written about MOSES himself . said he was the MEEKEST . YEAH . BUT I seem to remember MOSES being REAL BUSY about the THINGS of the LORD . meek does not mean WEAK . OH NO NO . And moses sure did pray hard for Israel at that mountain , OH but when his eyes BEHELD they calf , HE got busy REBUKING . I think foks forget this .
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Post by PG4Him on Oct 2, 2018 9:19:30 GMT -5
As I see it, there has to be a difference between humility and meekness. It may be a slight difference, but it has to be there. Paul wouldn't have listed the same quality twice.
He separated them again in Colossians:
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. (3:10-13)
Have another look at what Jesus said:
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (Matthew 11:29-30)
The Greek words in both of these sections convey an idea of low thinking. People can be humble while still being aware of their own value. It's kind of like when you see a doctor. He may be speak to you as humbly as he can, but he doesn't forget that he's a doctor. Meekness, as I understand it, deals with having no self-awareness about my worth. I suspect this is why Paul mentioned it after he broke down racial barriers in Colossians. Cultural and socio-economic advantages, even when they might be very real, are irrelevant in spirit.
Think of how much meekness it took for Jesus to leave behind His real spiritual identity and become a working-class man in an occupied country. Not just to humbly deal with the situation, but to play the role perfectly. That was more than humility.
Anyway, this is what meekness means to me.
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Post by John on Oct 2, 2018 9:29:53 GMT -5
I agree with you Candance that meek and humble have different meanings. I would not use them interchangeably.
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2018 11:33:24 GMT -5
As I see it, there has to be a difference between humility and meekness. It may be a slight difference, but it has to be there. Paul wouldn't have listed the same quality twice. He separated them again in Colossians: And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. (3:10-13)Have another look at what Jesus said: Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (Matthew 11:29-30)The Greek words in both of these sections convey an idea of low thinking. People can be humble while still being aware of their own value. It's kind of like when you see a doctor. He may be speak to you as humbly as he can, but he doesn't forget that he's a doctor. Meekness, as I understand it, deals with having no self-awareness about my worth. I suspect this is why Paul mentioned it after he broke down racial barriers in Colossians. Cultural and socio-economic advantages, even when they might be very real, are irrelevant in spirit. Think of how much meekness it took for Jesus to leave behind His real spiritual identity and become a working-class man in an occupied country. Not just to humbly deal with the situation, but to play the role perfectly. That was more than humility. Anyway, this is what meekness means to me. I never thought about those scriptures, and obviously it must be a very slight difference, thanks for sharing those scriptures, it is enlightening. So there must be a very slight difference, but somehow might touch a bit on it since it does mention it in the definitions the word humility. It must be a type of related word. I like what you said here:"Meekness, as I understand it, deals with having no self-awareness about my worth." And to me meekness seems to be very submissive. Thanks PG4HIM. I like your post. And I love this discussion.
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2018 11:40:52 GMT -5
To you PG4HIM or Butero or whoever, can you guys think of a type of counterfeit type of meekness going forth today?
Because I also like to show the opposite, so people are more aware of the opposite, and thus also made more aware of the true.
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Post by Giller on Oct 2, 2018 13:23:01 GMT -5
Guys I think once we have mentioned a bit more on meekness, then we can go unto gentleness, but I just want to hear on the counterfeit meeknesses that people come up with, and maybe whatever finishing thoughts people might have, and then we can go on to gentleness.
So once we have finished meekness and covered gentleness, there will be 4 more left to cover, which are bolded and underlined below:
Gal 5:22-23 (22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, (23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
I want to keep the fruit of love for the last one that we cover.
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Post by PG4Him on Oct 2, 2018 15:09:59 GMT -5
I would describe false meekness as being passive-aggressive. People who insult you or start a fight with you in an underhanded way, pretending like they meant to compliment you. These people often display false submission. They will seem very cooperative on the surface while they're working to manipulate you.
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Post by Giller on Oct 3, 2018 1:11:12 GMT -5
So it seems to a degree that there is a slight difference between humility and meekness, which PG4Him and Butero after a fashion, helped me to realize this.
Especially when this scripture was mentioned:
Col 3:12 (12) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
And in a big way I find that the word submissive I find to be a key word as concerns meekness, especially to God's divine will.
In meekness it seems you do not seek to find worth in self, and of course our self worth is not in self but in God.
When I say I like a post, I am truly sincere about it, if I do not agree with it, trust me I will be honest about it, or just simply avoid mentioning it or something.
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Post by Giller on Oct 3, 2018 1:19:03 GMT -5
I guess I will start the gentleness part, but if someone wants to mention a tid bit concerning meekness after I mention this , go right ahead.
(Webster's dictionary)
(Gentleness
GEN'TLENESS, n. [See Gentle.] Dignity of birth. [Little used.]
1. Genteel behavior.
2. Softness of manners; mildness of temper; sweetness of disposition; meekness.
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith. Gal 5.
3. Kindness; benevolence.
4. Tenderness; mild treatment.)
The words that stick out to me are: Softness of manners, sweetness of disposition, mildness of temper, tenderness and mild treatment.
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Post by John on Oct 3, 2018 4:23:15 GMT -5
When I looked it up, it meant mildness. To me, that would be the opposite of abrasive or damaging. When I think of how the word mild is used most often, it is something that would not harm clothes with regard to detergent, or it is food that will be less likely to cause stomach issues. It is a way of doing things that is not damaging.
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Post by frienduff on Oct 3, 2018 7:15:37 GMT -5
When I looked it up, it meant mildness. To me, that would be the opposite of abrasive or damaging. When I think of how the word mild is used most often, it is something that would not harm clothes with regard to detergent, or it is food that will be less likely to cause stomach issues. It is a way of doing things that is not damaging.
When you brought this up I remembered several scriptures . Remember when paul says so that they had received no damage . In Corinthians several times paul makes mention of edification and not destruction . When he was correcting and exhorting . I think its very good we realize this deeply . Paul was meek . Because look at his approach . He wrote them that letter with the intent they repent , BEFORE Paul returned , so that paul would rather receive JOY seeing them walking asthey ought . Rather than having to come with the ROD and seriously rebuke . That shows meekness. Yet its not weakness. and paul had even warned them not to think , he would be weak when present , but rather they need to know he will be LIKE he said he would in those letters toward error and those who had not repented . It should be in our heart , that we want to see folks walking in true faith and without error . And that we would far much rather see them walking so . Butero , how often I would rather see folks walking IN the SPIRIT by grace simply loving truth , holiness, GOD and one another . But we must be fast to correct . We don't correct because we are mean , We would much rather SEE them just walking in Truth . Its different than how westbororo corrects . SEE , they don't care squat about those they try and correct , they even sang songs about folks going to hell. And seemed quite joyful doing it . I Seen it with my own eyes on the news . Those have no meekness, well, no fruits of the Spirit . Whereas when we rebuke , and yes it can be sharp , our desire is true repentance . Cause we actually care about the soul of the person . Then we have the largest group of all, who wont correct anything and yet think they full of love , faith , meekness and so on . Yet they aint got the fruits either and its evident . So that you received damage by us in nothing . Paul said that . Because an uncorrected church , is receiving serious damage by those who wont correct . Serious damage .
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