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Post by John on Oct 3, 2018 8:48:15 GMT -5
When I looked it up, it meant mildness. To me, that would be the opposite of abrasive or damaging. When I think of how the word mild is used most often, it is something that would not harm clothes with regard to detergent, or it is food that will be less likely to cause stomach issues. It is a way of doing things that is not damaging.
When you brought this up I remembered several scriptures . Remember when paul says so that they had received no damage . In Corinthians several times paul makes mention of edification and not destruction . When he was correcting and exhorting . I think its very good we realize this deeply . Paul was meek . Because look at his approach . He wrote them that letter with the intent they repent , BEFORE Paul returned , so that paul would rather receive JOY seeing them walking asthey ought . Rather than having to come with the ROD and seriously rebuke . That shows meekness. Yet its not weakness. and paul had even warned them not to think , he would be weak when present , but rather they need to know he will be LIKE he said he would in those letters toward error and those who had not repented . It should be in our heart , that we want to see folks walking in true faith and without error . And that we would far much rather see them walking so . Butero , how often I would rather see folks walking IN the SPIRIT by grace simply loving truth , holiness, GOD and one another . But we must be fast to correct . We don't correct because we are mean , We would much rather SEE them just walking in Truth . Its different than how westbororo corrects . SEE , they don't care squat about those they try and correct , they even sang songs about folks going to hell. And seemed quite joyful doing it . I Seen it with my own eyes on the news . Those have no meekness, well, no fruits of the Spirit . Whereas when we rebuke , and yes it can be sharp , our desire is true repentance . Cause we actually care about the soul of the person . Then we have the largest group of all, who wont correct anything and yet think they full of love , faith , meekness and so on . Yet they aint got the fruits either and its evident . So that you received damage by us in nothing . Paul said that . Because an uncorrected church , is receiving serious damage by those who wont correct . Serious damage .
I agree Frienduff. I believe you hit the nail on the head with those reminders. We need wisdom from God as to handle different situations we encounter. We have to remember that each person has an eternal soul and is loved of God, and when they start getting out of line or even in outright sin, we have to consider that in dealing with that individual. Sometimes we can let the thing go if it is not that important. Sometimes we can longsuffer with them and try to persuade them over time. Then there are those cases where we realize a little leaven will leaven the whole lump if it is allowed to remain, and we must act. The desire should never be to destroy, but to save. That is what Paul did, even in that case where there was a man who was in adultery and incest. The judgment seemed harsh, but led to repentance. When a person repents, we need to be ready to receive them back.
Westboro Baptist Church believed that destruction on America and sinners was something to be desired to cleanse the land. They rejoiced when evil came. That is the wrong attitude, just the opposite of what Jesus taught. They wanted to call down fire when their teachings were rejected. Jeremiah is a great example of a man who always stood for right and told the truth, but was never happy to see anyone destroyed. With that in mind, to be meek is to do our best to do things in a way where we are mild in our approach, not destructive or abrasive. We may still come across that way to some, but we need to do our best, which means walking in the Spirit, and the fruit will just come.
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Post by PG4Him on Oct 3, 2018 9:45:29 GMT -5
I agree with John on gentleness, not only from the Greek but also from the word's origin in English. It came from gentility to suggest mild-mannered, pleasant, and courteous. This conveys a sense of treating other people like we're always holding a diamond. Check out Paul's interesting use of gentle here: For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness: Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ. But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children: So being affectionately desirous of you, we were willing to have imparted unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were dear unto us. (1 Thessalonians 2:5-8)Fake flattery, hidden motives, expecting compliments from people -- these are tiresome. It wears people out to have to prop up someone's ego. We don't play those little games with a baby. When you're holding a baby, you don't expect anything from him, and you're afraid to breathe the wrong way lest you damage him. That's what Brother John meant about causing no damage. You have to keep control of the baby so he doesn't hurt himself, but you manage him very carefully while expecting nothing in return. Here's another gem: But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; (2 Timothy 2:23-25)If I bring up stupid questions that start arguments, I'm being abrasive. Apt to teach means good at teaching. It doesn't mean I like to teach or I have a lot to teach or I'm entitled to teach. It means I can execute teaching that actually teaches without starting a fight. If it seems like an argument breaks out everywhere I go, the problem just might be with me.
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Post by Giller on Oct 3, 2018 9:46:34 GMT -5
A type of counterfeit that I see within this area of things, is found in this:
Pro 26:28 (28) A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.
People who flatter, tend to sometimes even appear gentle, yet they are motivated by lies.
I find one big example of this would be Joel Osteen.
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Post by Giller on Oct 3, 2018 10:43:27 GMT -5
How's about we start into the fruit called long suffering.
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Post by Cletus on Oct 3, 2018 11:46:55 GMT -5
one last quick thing before longsuffering gets jumped off. the way i see it is gentleness, longsuffering, and meekness all have the quality of being able to do those things when someone is taxing your patience.
I have been playing catch up with this thread.
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Post by Giller on Oct 3, 2018 12:23:19 GMT -5
one last quick thing before longsuffering gets jumped off. the way i see it is gentleness, longsuffering, and meekness all have the quality of being able to do those things when someone is taxing your patience. I have been playing catch up with this thread. Thanks for that one Cletus. And one thing I want to mention is possibly a little tiny exhortation. First of all I am glad that I came to the Narrow ways forum, and I am just starting to know some people, but of course there are some I know more than others. A lot of good things have been said in this thread, even Greek wise, and what I am about to say, I am not saying this as a rule were you have to, but I think it would be a good thing to do from time to time, that if someone mentions well the Greek says this or that, that they would actually quote the source, whether from Strong's or whatever, so that people can see it for themselves. And I am not saying that this is so here, but many times people will just mention the Greek says this or that, without providing the source, and some use it as a control mechanism, so people will just listen tot them without question. Please let none be offended by this, I am just getting to know people, and I do not know people well yet, but let us be careful.
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Post by Giller on Oct 3, 2018 12:43:18 GMT -5
One thing that is blessing me from this conversation on the fruits of the Spirit, is that we can see that various people have various knowledge in different areas of the word, and every one has their areas that they are more knowledgeable in than other areas.
I am glad that we can share the things we have learnt and seek to bless each other in doing so, God be praised.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Oct 3, 2018 13:21:57 GMT -5
...I am glad that I came to the Narrow ways forum... Praise the Lord! \o/
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Post by PG4Him on Oct 3, 2018 13:37:49 GMT -5
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Post by frienduff on Oct 3, 2018 14:05:38 GMT -5
To you PG4HIM or Butero or whoever, can you guys think of a type of counterfeit type of meekness going forth today? Because I also like to show the opposite, so people are more aware of the opposite, and thus also made more aware of the true. We sure can . its those who wont correct squat and think they mild mannered because they don't judge . that is a false meekness. But then so is the pope and others . when the mean man humbles himself , ITS ONLY PRETENCE , don't heed nor follow them .
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Post by frienduff on Oct 3, 2018 14:07:47 GMT -5
What the gay movement did was false meekness . they hollered tolerance and worse church men who feigned themselves as just men and snuck this seeker friendly . TALK about fake meekness. SEEKER FRINEDLY is stooped in it . And it is WEAK , it has nothing solid to stand on and compromises every gust of wind that comes along .
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Post by Cletus on Oct 3, 2018 14:50:05 GMT -5
LONGSUFFERING:
G3115 μακροθυμία makrothumia Thayer Definition: 1) patience, endurance, constancy, steadfastness, perseverance 2) patience, forbearance, longsuffering, slowness in avenging wrongs Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the same as G3116
another place in the bible where this greek word can be found is hebrews 6:12, but in this verse the english rendering is not found as longsuffering, but as patience.
Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
its from makros... or long, and thumos... or temper. this word denotes lenience, forbearance, fortitude, patient endurance... its the ability to endure persecution and ill treatment. sometimes when this word is used it shows an ability of the person to do revenge... but chooses restraint instead.
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Post by John on Oct 3, 2018 18:01:39 GMT -5
one last quick thing before longsuffering gets jumped off. the way i see it is gentleness, longsuffering, and meekness all have the quality of being able to do those things when someone is taxing your patience. I have been playing catch up with this thread. Thanks for that one Cletus. And one thing I want to mention is possibly a little tiny exhortation. First of all I am glad that I came to the Narrow ways forum, and I am just starting to know some people, but of course there are some I know more than others. A lot of good things have been said in this thread, even Greek wise, and what I am about to say, I am not saying this as a rule were you have to, but I think it would be a good thing to do from time to time, that if someone mentions well the Greek says this or that, that they would actually quote the source, whether from Strong's or whatever, so that people can see it for themselves. And I am not saying that this is so here, but many times people will just mention the Greek says this or that, without providing the source, and some use it as a control mechanism, so people will just listen tot them without question. Please let none be offended by this, I am just getting to know people, and I do not know people well yet, but let us be careful. While I have a Vine's Greek Dictionary, I rarely use it. It editorializes everything. I use Strong's Greek and Hebrew Dictionary. It just gives you the definition, and nothing else.
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Post by John on Oct 3, 2018 18:15:43 GMT -5
LONGSUFFERING: G3115 μακροθυμία makrothumia Thayer Definition: 1) patience, endurance, constancy, steadfastness, perseverance 2) patience, forbearance, longsuffering, slowness in avenging wrongs Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the same as G3116 another place in the bible where this greek word can be found is hebrews 6:12, but in this verse the english rendering is not found as longsuffering, but as patience. Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. its from makros... or long, and thumos... or temper. this word denotes lenience, forbearance, fortitude, patient endurance... its the ability to endure persecution and ill treatment. sometimes when this word is used it shows an ability of the person to do revenge... but chooses restraint instead. I looked this up online, and found the exact same definitions you did. At home I have a physical copy of Strong's Concordance, but I will do a quick search online when I am on the road. I like these definitions. Patience is what comes up from Strong's, but I also like the way Thayer brings it out, as it shows more depth. We see a person that is consistent, not tossed too and fro. We see a person that keeps going forward, even when they face adversity. I love the part about "slowness in avenging wrongs." We are not so quick to immediately seek to make sure that if someone does us bad, we must make it right then and there. We are willing to put up with a great deal before we act. There is a lot in that definition.
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Post by Cletus on Oct 3, 2018 19:31:13 GMT -5
Thanks for that one Cletus. And one thing I want to mention is possibly a little tiny exhortation. First of all I am glad that I came to the Narrow ways forum, and I am just starting to know some people, but of course there are some I know more than others. A lot of good things have been said in this thread, even Greek wise, and what I am about to say, I am not saying this as a rule were you have to, but I think it would be a good thing to do from time to time, that if someone mentions well the Greek says this or that, that they would actually quote the source, whether from Strong's or whatever, so that people can see it for themselves. And I am not saying that this is so here, but many times people will just mention the Greek says this or that, without providing the source, and some use it as a control mechanism, so people will just listen tot them without question. Please let none be offended by this, I am just getting to know people, and I do not know people well yet, but let us be careful. While I have a Vine's Greek Dictionary, I rarely use it. It editorializes everything. I use Strong's Greek and Hebrew Dictionary. It just gives you the definition, and nothing else.
I have a hardback vines somewhere. it was once a prison book as it has one of the prisons name on it and unit after it. I got it from a retired baptist preacher who used to be heavy into prison ministry before he got in a motorcycle crash. I have found vines to be good... sometimes. mainly to compliment not as a standalone.
My thayers and the strongs i use for online stuff is off esword. they are free downloads. the actual book will probably contain more... my strongs is the exhaustive and it has more content than the free esword version. but not much.
esword has a few good free dictionaries. brown driver briggs for hebrew is pretty good. it also has strongs ref numbers but again its only hebrew. it also has several commentaries i like including Clark, Henry(entire and concise), darby, barnes, gill, JFB, McLauren, and others.
its all free stuff i have but there is more you can pay for. there are also files for the bible in almost every major language which may come in handy online some time.
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