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Post by Giller on Dec 19, 2018 1:48:12 GMT -5
Mat 16:15-20 (15) He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? (16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. (17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (20) Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Yes this was a message to Peter, but was it a message to his church also?
What are these keys (plural)?
And of course there is the issue of binding and loosing.
I will comment on these things in a bit, but just waiting for responses, and let us see what thoughts come about.
Let us try to stick to the context, to whom the message is to, and who it is for, and what the message actually is.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 19, 2018 8:29:24 GMT -5
I’ll be watching this thread from a distance to see how it develops 🙂
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Post by frienduff on Dec 19, 2018 13:59:30 GMT -5
Well it aint for ROME that is for sure and for certain . That wicked queen done tried to steal the inheritance and I shun her and all her daughters all inclusive unity message , that message , straight to hell where it belongs . Rome took that outta text , In another place JESUS is talking to others , not just peter , when he says that .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 19, 2018 14:00:23 GMT -5
And binding and loosing , this is all about CORRECTION . It truly is .
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Post by Giller on Dec 19, 2018 14:18:33 GMT -5
And binding and loosing , this is all about CORRECTION . It truly is . Oh no doubt there is an aspect of correction to it, but is there 2 aspects?
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Post by frienduff on Dec 19, 2018 14:27:44 GMT -5
The first way to keep a church corrected is by preaching sound pure holy doctrine . Then if one errs we do the very pattern JESUS SET . IF they heed not , well paul had some delivered unto satan for destruction of the flesh . And that can cause repentance . IF a man sins and after correction wont receive it , cast them out of the church and However GOD deals with that one ,HE deals . Sometimes sickness , some kind of destruction to the flesh . We hold the keys and if we do and did as the apostels did , we would not have seen the leaven rise to the full as it has . You know how serious God was about what annianas and his wife did , They died . I know , most folks are like but that don't happen anymore . WANNA KNOW WHY , cause most of our leaders in churches , AINT EVEN HOLY SPIRIT FILLED ANYWAY . Just men lieing to men is all . its bad giller . its real bad . But by grace , I am going to keep on exhorting by both warnings and encouaragments , let whoever come come and whoever rejects will reject . But know this , THE BIBLE gonna get taught and if folks don't like those reminders of JESUS and the apostels , they better flee from me . Cause that is what I love , the sayings and pattern of JESUS . Wont hear no all inclusive bear hug message from me . JUST THE TRUTH , and PRAISE THE HOLY LORD .
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Post by Giller on Dec 19, 2018 14:30:02 GMT -5
Mat 16:15-20 (15) He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? (16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. (17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (20) Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Of course the word Peter means this:
(Strong's concordance)
(G4074 Πέτρος Petros pet'-ros Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786. Total KJV occurrences: 162)
The name Peter points to a piece of rock, but what about the word rock concerning upon this rock will I build my church?
This is the meaning of it:
(Strong's concordance)
(G4073 πέτρα petra pet'-ra Feminine of the same as G4074; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock. Total KJV occurrences: 16)
It means a mass of rock, much bigger than a piece of rock, and the word Petra is used here.
Who is this rock, this petra?
1Co 10:4 (4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
The word rock here is the same Greek word used for the word rock in our Matthew scripture, which is petra.
The church is built upon Peter's confession of Jesus being the Christ, which points to the rock or petra Christ Jesus.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 19, 2018 14:47:19 GMT -5
YEP GILLER YOU RIGHT . THE ROCK IS JESUS .
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Post by Giller on Dec 20, 2018 10:32:21 GMT -5
Mat 18:15-20 (15) Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. (16) But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. (17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. (18) Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (19) Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. (20) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
I will eventually comment on this, in another post, but decided to mention the verses themselves here, so people can think upon it, or meditate upon it.
Is there one aspect to binding and loosing, or 2 aspects?
And can the 2 aspects be proven?
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Post by Giller on Dec 20, 2018 12:21:45 GMT -5
Mat 16:18-20 (18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (20) Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
It seems that the keys (plural), are related to binding and loosing, which are 2 actions plural.
These keys seems to give us authority to bind and loose, you can say it opens the door to that.
Of course it is always through Christ.
This authority has been given to the church:
Mat 18:17-20 (17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. (18) Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (19) Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. (20) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
It says whatsoever ye, ye refers to the whosoever in the church.
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Post by John on Dec 20, 2018 12:54:29 GMT -5
If the keys are the authority to bind and loose, and it appears they are, what does that mean? To bind is to place in chains, and to loose is to destroy or dissolve. The church has been given the authority to bind evil spirits in chains and destroy or dissolve the works of the devil.
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Post by Giller on Dec 20, 2018 13:33:04 GMT -5
If the keys are the authority to bind and loose, and it appears they are, what does that mean? To bind is to place in chains, and to loose is to destroy or dissolve. The church has been given the authority to bind evil spirits in chains and destroy or dissolve the works of the devil.
Ya I agree totally. And I know that there are 2 sides of the camp on this issue, some say it only refers to correction, and others will say it only refers to binding evil spirits, and dissolving the works of the devil. But could it be both? I will explore this on another post, and feel free to mention things of this nature.
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Post by John on Dec 20, 2018 13:42:43 GMT -5
If the keys are the authority to bind and loose, and it appears they are, what does that mean? To bind is to place in chains, and to loose is to destroy or dissolve. The church has been given the authority to bind evil spirits in chains and destroy or dissolve the works of the devil.
Ya I agree totally. And I know that there are 2 sides of the camp on this issue, some say it only refers to correction, and others will say it only refers to binding evil spirits, and dissolving the works of the devil. But could it be both? I will explore this on another post, and feel free to mention things of this nature. I will tell you something that is kind of funny looking back on it. I used to attend a church where they would turn in all 4 directions binding and loosing. The problem is, the Pastor knew what it meant to bind, but didn't understand what loosing meant, and he would bind all the demons, and then loose angels. It wasn't until later on, I was looking up the actual meaning of the words that I discovered that we were actually destroying and dissolving angels. It was obviously done in ignorance, and I don't believe angels were actually harmed, but it does show the need to understand what you are doing when it comes to spiritual warfare.
I look forward to reading your future posts on this subject.
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Post by Giller on Jan 13, 2020 14:38:00 GMT -5
This is one thread I have been wanting to get back to, which I will very soon.
It just might be the right timing to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 15:02:12 GMT -5
One thing that comes to mind is that binding and loosing is, or can be, related to forgiving sins....just like Jesus had authority on earth to forgive sins and He delegated that authority to the church:
Jhn 20:21-23 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
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