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Post by Giller on Apr 26, 2019 12:00:19 GMT -5
I find that in many of what is called churches today, that many of them are not going forward in the truth, and as a result, other truths are being suppressed, or not even being mentioned.
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Post by PG4Him on Apr 26, 2019 12:07:04 GMT -5
I find that in many of what is called churches today, that many of them are not going forward in the truth, and as a result, other truths are being suppressed, or not even being mentioned. Yes this is a huge problem. There are 66 books in the Bible that comprise over 30,000 verses. Yet the same handful of cliches are recycled over and over. You can go to church every Sunday for years and not be aware of half the Bible.
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Post by solid on Apr 26, 2019 12:49:11 GMT -5
It is sad that so many people have trouble finding a decent church. If there are no good churches your area, there isn't much you can do about that.
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Post by joseph on Apr 26, 2019 13:56:03 GMT -5
Ya we have been out of the system, for a fair while as well. I find growth is much more easy outside the system, than in the system. Hebrews 13 Study Bible Christ's Unchanging Nature …11 Although the high priest brings the blood of animals into the Holy Place as a sacrifice for sin, the bodies are burned outside the camp. 12 And that is why Jesus suffered outside the city gate, to sanctify the people by His own blood. 13 Therefore let us go to Him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace He bore.… !!!!!!!!!!! Berean Study Bible · Download
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Post by PG4Him on Apr 26, 2019 15:59:29 GMT -5
Over the years I’ve lived in six states and spent time in many more, from east coast to west coast to the midwest, from the north to the south, and have visited more churches than I can count. I’ve seen megachurches, small churches, really small churches, mainstream denominations, loose cooperatives, independent gatherings, and everything in between. A problem you see in one place is the same problem you tend to see elsewhere. It manifests in a different way, but it’s the same root cause. Lazy doctrine, poor teaching, lack of anointing, no discipline/correction, and more sympathy for the world than for the people in church. Most pastors are pretty much a one-man show who may let an elder guest preach once in a while. The pastor’s family is very often running all the programs. It’s a family business that happens to sell Jesus.
If you have a church where this is not the case, thank God for the blessing. Your church is indeed the minority.
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Post by joseph on Apr 26, 2019 16:12:28 GMT -5
"If you "HAVE A CHURCH" ....." indicates a very fundamental flaw in the way society thinks and raises children.
Used to be , a few decades ago, when we heard "what church do you "GO TO" ? " .... we replied ,
as WRITTEN in SCRIPTURE,
WE ARE THE EKKLESIA ! we do not GO TO Ekklesia! Though we go far and wide to MEET WITH OTHER EKKLESIA WHEREVER THEY ARE, WHEREVER THEY MAY BE FOUND !
Thus, we are ALWAYS IN THE MINORITY - USUALLY COMPLETELY UNKNOWN in most cities and states and countries and counties.
And we ARE BY YAHUWEH in YAHUSHUA MOST BLESSED of all men, anointed with JOY FAR MORE and above other men.
We ARE abiding with and in and through Yahushua, always as written , clearly and distinctly,
living DAILY WITH UNDIMINISHED immeasurable RIGHTEOUSNESS, PEACE AND JOY (overflowing that no man can take away, and no circumstance can either) ....
DOing ALL the the FATHER in heaven sends us to do, daily, all day, all night, every moment of our lives in His Grace in Yahushua(JESUS) !
ECHAD ("ONE" with JESUS and "ONE" with the FATHER the same as the FATHER and the SON are ECHAD, we are likewise ECHAD as written in OT and NT)
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Post by frienduff on Apr 26, 2019 20:19:34 GMT -5
I can't tell you the number of churches I have visited, not expecting perfection, but just good enough, and couldn't find one close enough. There is one 75 miles from my house I would go to if it were reasonably close. It seems like most churches abandoned truth for numbers back in the 90s. If you have a good church, be thankful.
And when a church abandons truth , IT has abandoned GOD . I understand sister candance , I really do . My eyes well up in tears as I even remember those days . All , BY GRACE , I ever wanted was the simplicity of a people that loved Christ above all . Tore up from the floor up in Spirit was about all I ever felt when those teachings began . OH the praise and worship , How I could rejoice in that time , but the moment the teaching began oh how empty it was . and folks I was a babe just seeking milk , which means they were not even teaching that man . not even that . It was false to false from bad to worse was all I found . Its a tear getter if I focus on it . So I put it behind me and now I simply exhort as I am led to exhort . One thing I noticed over the past and even now . I can come on sounding it out and speaking truth and the ones who agree with me , Its not that I taught them anything THEY ALREADY KNEW TRUTH . Its more like a gathering of those who already KNOW CHRIST . For many reject hard core simple truth teachings , but some love them . I honestly don't think I have ever taught anyone something , they did not already know , Unless perhaps one who I meet with in person . That one has learned but of course he did , For as I am on the internet I am in person , it was read , read , read that bible . And we did and do also . How I even reminded on that just yesterday and today on worthy . But men who love the mix will always cling to the mix and the teacher of that mix till death do they part . I mean some of these folks WILL NOT , positiviely absolutely will not let go of what they have been taught , no matter how clear the truth is right in front of their face . Some days its all I can not to just break down and bawl like a baby and then some days I do cry for them . WHY o why cannot we return to ONLY the BIBLE. But onward we go by grace , for the elect will hear and the rest will shun . ALSO I am not in the least bit over emphasizing the dire danger of the new all inclusive love religion . Satan is BEHIND IT , IT DOES GROW both in number and darker daily . GONNA Lead all right to that end time day of amergeddon and they thinks its love unity and world peace . Aint going to happen . GOD WILL END IT on the DAY of the LORD . But before that , we better know and we better understand and we better be fully aware that we will be betrayed sooner than later . Its just increasing . BUT SO IS our help FROM THE LORD . HE GONNA HAVE HIS people ready and we better all be just lapping up the words in that bible like our wisdom unto salvation depends on it . OH WAIT IT DOES . FOr the hOLY scrips DO MAKE ONE WISE unto salvation through faith in Christ .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 26, 2019 20:22:19 GMT -5
I find that in many of what is called churches today, that many of them are not going forward in the truth, and as a result, other truths are being suppressed, or not even being mentioned. You know what TWO words stuck fast in my mind when I read this . GO look in the bible in the days of the prophets when GOD warned his own to repent and they heard not . What words were used . PERPETUAL BACKSLIDING . they just slide worse and worse backwards . FOLKS WE IN THEM DAYS . WE IN the last of days and a million troops of thousand men each could surround my house with all pastors and all peoples and even angels could appear and all as one say HEY Frienduff , these aint the last days , we got lots of time , eat drink and be merry , AND I BY GRACE WOULD NOT BELIEVE A ONE OF THEM . I AM THAT FULLY PERSAUDED WE ARE SO in the last days .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 26, 2019 20:31:09 GMT -5
Over the years I’ve lived in six states and spent time in many more, from east coast to west coast to the midwest, from the north to the south, and have visited more churches than I can count. I’ve seen megachurches, small churches, really small churches, mainstream denominations, loose cooperatives, independent gatherings, and everything in between. A problem you see in one place is the same problem you tend to see elsewhere. It manifests in a different way, but it’s the same root cause. Lazy doctrine, poor teaching, lack of anointing, no discipline/correction, and more sympathy for the world than for the people in church. Most pastors are pretty much a one-man show who may let an elder guest preach once in a while. The pastor’s family is very often running all the programs. It’s a family business that happens to sell Jesus. If you have a church where this is not the case, thank God for the blessing. Your church is indeed the minority. Everything you said was spot on right , I need only add one word . The sentence where it read , It is a family business that happens to sell Jesus . NEEDS to read . It is a family business that happens to sell OUT Jesus . aka they preaching another jesus and they do it for an agenda . the true one is seen by many as the jews said to the prophets . And that is this . DONT preach unto us the HOLY ONE of ISRAEL , PROSPHESY UNTO SMOOTH THINGS . Yall know its true . And its only getting way worse . BY GRACE . oh before I continue the reason is say BY Grace , IS because its soley by grace . SO let me start over . BY GRACE , I have been warning over and over and over and over and over and over again and by that same grace I have had unctions which have warned me of where this would lead and who it would lead them all too . BY GRACE , I was telling folks you just watch , them false prosperity preachers will soon be supporting gay marriage more and more and by Brace I was telling folks watch these false pastors will also be going under this all inclusive stuff . WELL THEY DID and THEY ARE . HOW DID I KNOW , well by grace I knew that if a man is false and wont repent , HE DONT GET BETTER , HE GETS WORSE . and that GOD will give them the ULTIMATE DELUSOIN if they stay on that evil course without repenting . HE HAS DONE JUST THAT and its gonna get worse . ON a good note , some will keep coming out of this , BUT on a sad note , SO MANY WILL GO UNDER IT and a massive number so high will go under it . I don't think folks are seeing what days these are , AND not knowing THAT GOD DONT CHANGE . IF HE has said he will do something , THEN HE DOES THAT > HE has said if men will repent , HE WILL REPENT , but HE has also said IF THEY WONT , LOOK OUT YOUR DESTRCUTION COMES and lets see if your gods can save you then .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 26, 2019 20:39:49 GMT -5
So now I leave us with this warning which keeps sounding inside me . To those who have rejected the love of the truth and have denied the ONLY GOD who can save . BECAUSE ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE . PREPARE on the day of judgment to meet thy maker and those gods in whose hopes the hearts have been , will melt as does the metal on those gods in the fire . Those gods and those men will not be able to deliver any who has rejected THE ONLY GOD who can , ON THE DAY OF HIS WRATH . And if they wont preach JESUS ONLY , THEN THE TREADER of the winepress, JESUS , will tread them in that winepress of the wrath of GOD . THIS message is not in hopes that any perish , that is not the heart behind this message . BUT IT IS A DIRE AND UTTER DIRE WARNING . IF YOU TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT , YOU GONNA BE TROD UNDER HIS FOOT . SEND THAT TO THE POPE and all his that do his bidding .
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Post by ladypeartree on Apr 27, 2019 6:38:00 GMT -5
When my children were young I had a great church ( THANK YOU GOD ) and it was much needed as I was a single parent with 4 children who never saw or heard from an abusive father. We didn't have paid pastors, the church was led by elders and very much a bible believing group. My children had more true fathers to guide them than their birth father and grew up surrounded by love and discipline. Sadly as is the way the elders grew old and a new generation began to emerge that wanted to " modernise " and introduced wannabe rock musicians to lead the worship , lots of play acting and energetic dancing around A few tried to preach from the bible but far too many just wanted a platform to be seen from and the old church withered away with the young guns moving to new venues so they were out from the old teaching. For a time I went " church shopping " but gave up and decided that I would get fellowship where I could and when I could rather than get so many false messages that could so easily influence my grandchildren SOOOO once again THANK YOU Butero and others for reaching out and supplying a need
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Post by John on Apr 27, 2019 9:06:10 GMT -5
When my children were young I had a great church ( THANK YOU GOD ) and it was much needed as I was a single parent with 4 children who never saw or heard from an abusive father. We didn't have paid pastors, the church was led by elders and very much a bible believing group. My children had more true fathers to guide them than their birth father and grew up surrounded by love and discipline. Sadly as is the way the elders grew old and a new generation began to emerge that wanted to " modernise " and introduced wannabe rock musicians to lead the worship , lots of play acting and energetic dancing around A few tried to preach from the bible but far too many just wanted a platform to be seen from and the old church withered away with the young guns moving to new venues so they were out from the old teaching. For a time I went " church shopping " but gave up and decided that I would get fellowship where I could and when I could rather than get so many false messages that could so easily influence my grandchildren SOOOO once again THANK YOU Butero and others for reaching out and supplying a need What you are describing is very common. The older people are dying and the new generation is going away from the truth to try to fit in with the people of this generation. Those of us who still hold to following the old paths can't continue to support such places, so we stop going to church.
The last church I went to had an old retired minister in his 70s. That is why it had not gone down hill like the rest, but there were hardly any members. The one church I mentioned that is 75 miles from my house in Charlotte, N.C. is an independent church run by a Pastor in his 80s. That is why it hasn't gone the way of most. The Pastor's son is likely his successor, and while he seems to support his Father, you never know, and he is not that young either. Parents have done a poor job training up their children in the way they should go.
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Post by PG4Him on Apr 27, 2019 10:25:19 GMT -5
In some of the better churches, you used to see people healed in prayer lines back in the 80s and 90s. Now they are given vague prophecies that God will move for them somehow. You used to see exorcisms and deliverances played out in prayer lines. Now people are told to see a doctor. Preachers used to talk to you with an assumption that you could be healed. Now, if they give you any counsel at all, they make excuses about Paul’s thorn to say you shouldn’t count on being healed. Amazing how God stopped healing people at the same time this seeker friendly nonsense invaded the church. What a coincidence.
My father was healed/delivered from alcoholism in one instant. Literally. One day he was a substance abuser, the next day he wasn’t. No rehab, no doctors, no AA meetings. Instantly delivered. This was in a Pentecostal church in 1984. Things like that happened back then. During my teen years when I questioned religion, I knew enough to hang on because I’d seen too much evidence. All the science and philosophy in the world can’t stand against a supernatural miracle. You want to get young people back into church? Stop it with the marketing and give them the power of God. He’s a pretty good salesmen when He’s allowed to show off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 10:34:58 GMT -5
<< All the science and philosophy in the world can’t stand against a supernatural miracle. You want to get young people back into church? Stop it with the marketing and give them the power of God. >>
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1Co 2:4-5 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Apr 27, 2019 10:39:03 GMT -5
In some of the better churches, you used to see people healed in prayer lines back in the 80s and 90s. Now they are given vague prophecies that God will move for them somehow. You used to see exorcisms and deliverances played out in prayer lines. Now people are told to see a doctor. Preachers used to talk to you with an assumption that you could be healed. Now, if they give you any counsel at all, they make excuses about Paul’s thorn to say you shouldn’t count on being healed. Amazing how God stopped healing people at the same time this seeker friendly nonsense invaded the church. What a coincidence. My father was healed/delivered from alcoholism in one instant. Literally. One day he was a substance abuser, the next day he wasn’t. No rehab, no doctors, no AA meetings. Instantly delivered. This was in a Pentecostal church in 1984. Things like that happened back then. During my teen years when I questioned religion, I knew enough to hang on because I’d seen too much evidence. All the science and philosophy in the world can’t stand against a supernatural miracle. You want to get young people back into church? Stop it with the marketing and give them the power of God. He’s a pretty good salesmen when He’s allowed to show off. I believe that, in events like that, a healing during prayer, the faith of the hearer is essential for the healing to happen.
I have seen immediate healings on unbelievers, but that is hard to happen and it usually is to serve as a sign.
But a lot of things have changed from 1980s until now, technology advancements and growth of sin have made people's heart to become harder.
And due to their hardness of heart, they are not willing to believe or even seek healing from God.
I believe God still wants to heal people, but many people simply do not want or a see need to.
That may be one of the reasons we see people in bondage to medicaments that they consider a blessing to be a subscriber.
God will not (most of the times, at least) heal people against their will, those who came to Jesus they came believing and resources at that time was scarce.
"...when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?" - Luke 18:8
It is one of the reasons I tend to be extreme and avoid scientific methods of healing and relief.
There are just too many people doing that already, I want to oppose the current situation.
"For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain." - Philippians 1:21
Blessings!
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