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Post by Giller on Sept 11, 2019 1:34:03 GMT -5
Here is a verse to think upon:
1Ti 2:1-3 (1) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; (2) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. (3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
It talks about prayers and so on, to be made for all men.
Now for myself, I do not pray for the whole world to be saved, for we know from the bible it will not, but I allow the Holy Spirit to lead me to pray for whomever.
And by this scripture, we can see that we are not limited for whom we can pray for.
Now I know that Jesus was limited to a certain place, and here is a scripture, concerning Jesus:
Joh 17:9 (9) I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
There seems to have been a certain limitation here for prayer, I do not fully know why, but I sure believe it.
And I know that Jesus was restricted to a certain region, and to of course Israel.
But concerning Paul and the rest, especially after Pentecost, they were not restricted to a certain region, and Paul encouraged that prayer be made for all men, the kings (which no doubt most were not saved), and so on.
So we are not restricted to whom we pray for, but let God lead you, and there are some times in the bible, were God said do not pray for such and such, but be careful, and let God lead you.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 11, 2019 8:25:06 GMT -5
Here’s an interesting verse to ponder:
And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers, and forgat me, saith the Lord. Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her. And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt. — Hosea 2:13-15
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 8:30:37 GMT -5
THE TRUTH IS , HIS DESIRE is that NONE WOULD PERISH . JESUS said HE will not come back , TILL the entire gospel has been preached round the whole world . GOD gave the chance , its on men that rejected JESUS . JESUS did not pray for those who would reject HIM . That is what I was pointing out . HIS prayer was FOR all beleivers through all ages . And again I agree , GOD desires none to perish . YOU are right . But REJECT GOD , REJECT the SON or follow another version of JESUS that rejects the biblical one , OH DEAR THE DAY OF THE LORD will be a day of great wailing and weeping .
Oh by the way I agree with you that Jesus did not pray for the whole world, and yet there is an interesting verse said in the epistles: 1Ti 2:1-3 (1) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; (2) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. (3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; I know that Jesus was limited to a certain area, but the aposltes after Pentecost were not. I know for myself , I just pray for whoever God lays upon my heart, and I know that the whole world will not be saved, for we can see that from scripture. OH , yes for sure we pray for all . Our desire should be for none to perish . Giller I noticed something you asked john . We are not to be unequally yoked . What we do is simply exhort JESUS to the lost . I will give you a good example and then a very bad example . JESUS did go to feasts , he did accept the invitation to dinner and etc. But notice , Any time JESUS saw and error , HE rebuked it . Paul , he also went unto the lost into synagoges and such . But notice every time he spoke it was not about what we have in common , or etc IT was continual exhorting of JESUS . Now for the bad example . Oh church ya gotta love em to JESUS . Just go out and make friends with them , have dinners with them Find common ground , be kind , Tone down things and focus on what we have in common . THAT IS A DEAD END . They also use words like , no wonder the world hates us and etc , they use bad examples and then turn around to in essence stop evangelizing . They focus on doing good works for the lost but not evangelizing . HERE is the key . The world IS NOT SUPPOSED to love us . Every time if one is invited to dinner or a banquet or whatever , You speak about JESUS TWO things will happen . Some might hear , and some will reject . If we continuously remind about Christ they will separate us from their company . or they might accept . But if one does not hear , What did JESUS say , shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them. IF we behave as would a christain around them , BELEIVE ME they will stop inviting you to dinners and etc . Those who accept Christ , those will be happy to see you . But the others will not want to be reminded about him and thus they will separate you out . IF we are repeatedly invited back over and over again to Houses and places by those who repent not , THEN OUR EVANGELISM is FLAT OUT DEAD WRONG . Because the world loves not the things that be of GOD . And it means we are much to much like them and THAT IS TOTAL BAD NEWS . YET this is the way for at least twenty or so years we have been FALSELY TUAGHT to evangelize . Folks are messing up big time what paul meant by being as some to win some . THEY FORGET the part about not being without law as unto GOD . THEY talking about movies , football , maybe about doing good to the poor , about politics and social issues , they are blind my friend . For years we have been taught dead wrong about how to evangelize . It always came with truths , but then that is how folks deceive . The goal behind this is a very subtile one . THEY make it seem as though we are trying to win them to Christ in a somewhat silent way by doing good to them . BUT IN TRUTH its all about shutting down true prolositizing . THEY are quite clever giller . It really got big under rick warren and now along with other things they snuck into the church , we got a lot of youth and even elderly who now think its not even necessary to prolestyze JESUS due to they believe all paths are vaild . WHEN we get unequally yoked , WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS . EXACTLY we fall away . AND THis is why GOD said BE NOT unequally yoked .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 8:48:06 GMT -5
Here is a verse to think upon: 1Ti 2:1-3 (1) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; (2) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. (3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; It talks about prayers and so on, to be made for all men. Now for myself, I do not pray for the whole world to be saved, for we know from the bible it will not, but I allow the Holy Spirit to lead me to pray for whomever. And by this scripture, we can see that we are not limited for whom we can pray for. Now I know that Jesus was limited to a certain place, and here is a scripture, concerning Jesus: Joh 17:9 (9) I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. There seems to have been a certain limitation here for prayer, I do not fully know why, but I sure believe it. And I know that Jesus was restricted to a certain region, and to of course Israel. But concerning Paul and the rest, especially after Pentecost, they were not restricted to a certain region, and Paul encouraged that prayer be made for all men, the kings (which no doubt most were not saved), and so on. So we are not restricted to whom we pray for, but let God lead you, and there are some times in the bible, were God said do not pray for such and such, but be careful, and let God lead you. Yet JESUS also prayed , FATHER forgive them for they know not what they do .The thing is JESUS did not pray for those who would NEVER COME . That makes total sense . We have no idea who is coming or not coming . JESUS was simply not praying to the good of those who would forever reject Him . And we can see that GOD desires none to perish . He prayed forgiveness to his persecutors . For us its real easy . JUST DESIRE none to perish , and pray that all would come to repentance . Let us keep it simple . If our minds go into overtime thinking mode that is where things can get slippery and dangerous . The early church witnessed , SO LET us witness . They warned so let us warn . ALL we need to do is LEARN what they wrote and what Jesus said . Lets just keep it simple . GOD is the judge and HE KNOWS all things . We do not , thus let us just learn the examples n the bible . And leave all speculation on this or that alone . The mind can way too easily overcomplicate a simple walk . ALL we need to do is Believe in CHRIST , follow the spirit , feast on sound doctrine . AND whoever will come will come and whoever rejects will reject . I think this is good for all of us . Cause I sure do not want to teach on something we do not fully understand or grasp . SO lets just focus on Learning Christ and also what the apostels wrote . Lets learn to mirror their examples in all things .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 8:56:00 GMT -5
Eph 5:11 (11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Now of course the bible says to not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. 2Co 6:14 (14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? We are not to have fellowship with them. Now in your mind John, can we be a friend to unbelievers, without participating in their ways, or talking their talk, but by remaining as a witness to them? Yes. We can't reach them if we can't be friends. It may well be that we will be the one to lead them to the Lord.
Whosoever is friend to the world ........................ You mean we should be FRIENDLY , not FRIENDS . Kind yes , compassionate yes , also through fear . Let us witness as did peter , paul , JESUS , and others . OH we are to be kind to all . IF an enemy is in need , we give . But being friends IS NOT the same thing . I honestly believe you already know this . but those words you typed needed just a touch of some changing .
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Post by John on Sept 11, 2019 8:57:00 GMT -5
Oh by the way I agree with you that Jesus did not pray for the whole world, and yet there is an interesting verse said in the epistles: 1Ti 2:1-3 (1) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; (2) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. (3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; I know that Jesus was limited to a certain area, but the aposltes after Pentecost were not. I know for myself , I just pray for whoever God lays upon my heart, and I know that the whole world will not be saved, for we can see that from scripture. OH , yes for sure we pray for all . Our desire should be for none to perish . Giller I noticed something you asked john . We are not to be unequally yoked . What we do is simply exhort JESUS to the lost . I will give you a good example and then a very bad example . JESUS did go to feasts , he did accept the invitation to dinner and etc. But notice , Any time JESUS saw and error , HE rebuked it . Paul , he also went unto the lost into synagoges and such . But notice every time he spoke it was not about what we have in common , or etc IT was continual exhorting of JESUS . Now for the bad example . Oh church ya gotta love em to JESUS . Just go out and make friends with them , have dinners with them Find common ground , be kind , Tone down things and focus on what we have in common . THAT IS A DEAD END . They also use words like , no wonder the world hates us and etc , they use bad examples and then turn around to in essence stop evangelizing . They focus on doing good works for the lost but not evangelizing . HERE is the key . The world IS NOT SUPPOSED to love us . Every time if one is invited to dinner or a banquet or whatever , You speak about JESUS TWO things will happen . Some might hear , and some will reject . If we continuously remind about Christ they will separate us from their company . or they might accept . But if one does not hear , What did JESUS say , shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them. IF we behave as would a christain around them , BELEIVE ME they will stop inviting you to dinners and etc . Those who accept Christ , those will be happy to see you . But the others will not want to be reminded about him and thus they will separate you out . IF we are repeatedly invited back over and over again to Houses and places by those who repent not , THEN OUR EVANGELISM is FLAT OUT DEAD WRONG . Because the world loves not the things that be of GOD . And it means we are much to much like them and THAT IS TOTAL BAD NEWS . YET this is the way for at least twenty or so years we have been FALSELY TUAGHT to evangelize . Folks are messing up big time what paul meant by being as some to win some . THEY FORGET the part about not being without law as unto GOD . THEY talking about movies , football , maybe about doing good to the poor , about politics and social issues , they are blind my friend . For years we have been taught dead wrong about how to evangelize . It always came with truths , but then that is how folks deceive . The goal behind this is a very subtile one . THEY make it seem as though we are trying to win them to Christ in a somewhat silent way by doing good to them . BUT IN TRUTH its all about shutting down true prolositizing . THEY are quite clever giller . It really got big under rick warren and now along with other things they snuck into the church , we got a lot of youth and even elderly who now think its not even necessary to prolestyze JESUS due to they believe all paths are vaild . WHEN we get unequally yoked , WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS . EXACTLY we fall away . AND THis is why GOD said BE NOT unequally yoked .
There is a difference in being friends with someone who is a sinner, and hanging out with them, and actually witnessing. I agree with you that you are not witnessing to sinners when you sit around and discuss sports or music or movies or things like that. If that is what you are calling that, you are deceiving yourself. Witnessing is actually telling someone about your faith, and how Jesus saved you, and that they can experience the same thing. If you are not doing that, you are not witnessing.
I will say this. If we have witnessed to someone, it is up to God to give them the faith to believe. I can't make someone believe that Jesus is God. I can't force faith on someone, no matter how hard I try. I encountered a situation recently where a person didn't have saving faith when I was talking to them, and I just knew it. The best thing I could do at that point was pray for them, that God would reveal Christ to them. Until that happens, any further efforts on my part were in vain, because the key is faith. You believe or you don't. I have no problem hanging out with them and being friends with them in the meantime, but once the gospel has been shared with them, prayer is all that we can do.
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Post by John on Sept 11, 2019 9:02:37 GMT -5
Yes. We can't reach them if we can't be friends. It may well be that we will be the one to lead them to the Lord.
Whosoever is friend to the world ........................ You mean we should be FRIENDLY , not FRIENDS . Kind yes , compassionate yes , also through fear . Let us witness as did peter , paul , JESUS , and others . OH we are to be kind to all . IF an enemy is in need , we give . But being friends IS NOT the same thing . I honestly believe you already know this . but those words you typed needed just a touch of some changing .
There is a difference in being friends with someone and being yoked to them. I have casual friends that are not Christians, and I see no problem with that. I don't spend much time with them, but neither do I shun them. I guess it depends on what a person's definition of friend is. I am not going to have anything in common with a person that is in the world and drinks and runs around and parties all the time, so I automatically won't be close to them, and they will find me a kill joy, so they wouldn't likely want to hang out with me either. I think our vast differences would keep us from getting close.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 9:11:24 GMT -5
Just because people end up in hell doesn’t mean God sent them there through hate. I believe He grieves and mourns for every lost soul that perishes. Remember His compassion for Nineveh. They were outcast from Israel, nowhere near righteous, yet God sent Jonah to spare them. And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle? — Jonah 4:11 God felt sorry for these foolish people. We see it in Genesis when He tried to find ten righteous people to spare Sodom. God takes no delight in punishing people. And remember Jesus said it will be better for Tyre and Sidon on judgment day than for apostate Jerusalem. There are indeed varying levels of punishment hereafter. People sentence their own selves to judgment because they reject Him. The Lord is forced to hate them because they are so vile, but He doesn’t start out hating them. He hates what they become. It’s possible to believe in a real hell while also believing God grieves for those who choose it. We are 100 percent responsible for our own choices and actions. I do not blame God at all for people rejecting His son and winding up in hell. I just don't necessarily think that some of the scriptures people use prove that God loves everyone no matter what, like John 3:16. I am not totally convinced one way or the other about this topic. I believe that God hates certain things. The Bible says so, but does he hate sinful men and women or even Satan and the fallen angels? I am interested in everyone's thoughts.
Well , lets see the example in the old testament . First we know THAT GOD never desired the death of the wicked but that rather he would repent . But , does GOD get THIS POINT . BY THIS POINT I mean read what I say next . DO NOT EVEN PRAY FOR THIS PEOPLE TO THIER GOOD . Its what he told one of the prophets . What we need to know is this , GOD DOES GET ANGRY and I guarantee ITS A FEARFUL THING to fall into the hands of the LIVING GOD . Its business as usual , we desire none to perish , and their is no need to get over thinking on things . We know GOD s desire was that the wicked out repent , for why will ye die . We know that if they repent not their end is death . WE know no JESUS means the second death . We know the wrath of GOD will come upon the children of disobedience , THEREFORE be not partakers with them. We know these things . We could try and speculate this or that , but what good is that anyway . I say we teach what we know for sure in that bible . And that can be summed up as this . GOD IS LOVE , but reject the one HE SENT and prepare to face an ANGRY GOD . AND PHEW WEE , Aint a person alive that will be able to stand against GOD . Many will wish , cry , weep and howl on the day of the LORD , wishing OH why did we not come . BUT TOO LATE it will be . A time comes and is when GOD sends A strong delusion . AND THE WHY HE SENDS IT is NEED FUL TO KNOW . SO here is the why . FOR THEY REJECTED THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH and had pleasure in unrighteousness . And the cause of this delusion , SO THEY WILL BELIEVE A LIE and BE DAMNED . Lets just keep it simple . My friends the early church took witnesses and Correction VERY SERIOUS . THERE IS a reason why , THEY ACTUALLY KNEW GOD . WHILE GOD is love and desires none to perish . REJECT or mock HIM and woe unto the one who does so . And let us use an example of how one mocks God . GOD is NOT MOCKED , IF YOU SOW the flesh , YE GONNA REAP CORRUPTION , But if you sow to the SPIRIT reap LIFE EVERLASTING . AKA, LET NO MAN EVER ONCE preach a JESUS that omits THE BIBILCAL JESUS . Cause that aint JESUS Getting preached but jus another version and it wont save any .
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Post by Giller on Sept 11, 2019 9:18:35 GMT -5
Yep there comes a point, at certain times, to were prayer is all we can do.
And I agree that we cannot force them to get saved.
But nevertheless, we need to be a witness, and trust me, I do not talk about competitive sports with people.
I will plant seeds though, and yes there are times you talk about whatever, but we need to plant seeds, which I do.
And some do not want you in their company or invite you, but there are some who will still listen to the gospel, they may not receive it at that moment, but they will listen.
Anyhow God is good.
And I find the bible interprets itself.
Joh 3:16-17 (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
The equation is this:
Workers of iniquity=unbelievers
He hates=workers of iniquity
He loves=unbelievers, or those who are not saved
There is no other equation to come to, it is written black and white.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 11, 2019 9:23:25 GMT -5
This may seem like an academic matter, but it’s actually pretty serious. Groups like Westboro Baptist latch on verses that God hates workers of iniquity, and they go around screaming at their opponents that God literally hates them. You can’t correct them or talk them out of it because they fall back on those verses about iniquity. What are we supposed to tell a lost person about God’s love? Well maybe God loves you, if He foreknows that you will one day be saved, or He may hate you because you’re not elect? God only loves those who love Him back? Jesus said such love is worthless because even publicans and sinners love their friends.
Then where do we end up? “For God so loved the world” somehow really means “For God so loved the elect.” Wow, I guess John really missed it when he quoted Jesus there. We need to put words in John’s mouth to explain what he ‘really’ meant. That smells like an OSAS tactic to me.
I don’t believe God loves people based on knowing their future faithfulness. He knew Israel would betray Him, but there’s no indication He didn’t ‘really’ love them throughout the OT. He repeatedly says He cared for them and they rejected Him anyway. When He brought punishment on Israel, He repeatedly promised to restore them when His anger cooled because He would remember His love for them.
False teachers have made so much hay on God’s love that they’ve set the narrative on this. Holiness people are almost afraid to even admit that God loves for fear they might sound seeker friendly. There’s a tendency to diminish, downplay, and divert from God’s love because it suspiciously sounds ecumenical. Then we don’t want to face the question of how a loved person would end up in hell. Personally I’ve never struggled with God wishing He could love a person who self-destructs. Maybe because I’ve watched people self-destruct so many times in my family. I know what it’s like to grieve for a loved one going down the wrong path, and ultimately cutting them off because they’re too toxic.
You can certainly believe God loves those He wishes to save while also believing those people can self-destruct and choose hell for themselves.
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Post by Giller on Sept 11, 2019 9:27:57 GMT -5
I think there is an aspect of hate and love towards unbelievers, which I kind of explained in one of my long posts.
Both can be there, in their own way.
God hates sin, hates the works of workers of iniquity, therefore it garners disfavor, and he does not like what they have become, because they are in their sin, but in the realm of them being God's creation, and being made in the image of God, he still loves them, and would that they not perish.
He does not love them because of sin, but in spite of it.
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Post by Giller on Sept 11, 2019 9:33:23 GMT -5
This may seem like an academic matter, but it’s actually pretty serious. Groups like Westboro Baptist latch on verses that God hates workers of iniquity, and they go around screaming at their opponents that God literally hates them. You can’t correct them or talk them out of it because they fall back on those verses about iniquity. What are we supposed to tell a lost person about God’s love? Well maybe God loves you, if He foreknows that you will one day be saved, or He may hate you because you’re not elect? God only loves those who love Him back? Jesus said such love is worthless because even publicans and sinners love their friends. Then where do we end up? “For God so loved the world” somehow really means “For God so loved the elect.” Wow, I guess John really missed it when he quoted Jesus there. We need to put words in John’s mouth to explain what he ‘really’ meant. That smells like an OSAS tactic to me. I don’t believe God loves people based on knowing their future faithfulness. He knew Israel would betray Him, but there’s no indication He didn’t ‘really’ love them throughout the OT. He repeatedly says He cared for them and they rejected Him anyway. When He brought punishment on Israel, He repeatedly promised to restore them when His anger cooled because He would remember His love for them. False teachers have made so much hay on God’s love that they’ve set the narrative on this. Holiness people are almost afraid to even admit that God loves for fear they might sound seeker friendly. There’s a tendency to diminish, downplay, and divert from God’s love because it suspiciously sounds ecumenical. Then we don’t want to face the question of how a loved person would end up in hell. Personally I’ve never struggled with God wishing He could love a person who self-destructs. Maybe because I’ve watched people self-destruct so many times in my family. I know what it’s like to grieve for a loved one going down the wrong path, and ultimately cutting them off because they’re too toxic. You can certainly believe God loves those He wishes to save while also believing those people can self-destruct and choose hell for themselves. Love this, I was thinking similar thoughts about the Westboro baptists.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 9:36:58 GMT -5
This may seem like an academic matter, but it’s actually pretty serious. Groups like Westboro Baptist latch on verses that God hates workers of iniquity, and they go around screaming at their opponents that God literally hates them. You can’t correct them or talk them out of it because they fall back on those verses about iniquity. What are we supposed to tell a lost person about God’s love? Well maybe God loves you, if He foreknows that you will one day be saved, or He may hate you because you’re not elect? God only loves those who love Him back? Jesus said such love is worthless because even publicans and sinners love their friends. Then where do we end up? “For God so loved the world” somehow really means “For God so loved the elect.” Wow, I guess John really missed it when he quoted Jesus there. We need to put words in John’s mouth to explain what he ‘really’ meant. That smells like an OSAS tactic to me. I don’t believe God loves people based on knowing their future faithfulness. He knew Israel would betray Him, but there’s no indication He didn’t ‘really’ love them throughout the OT. He repeatedly says He cared for them and they rejected Him anyway. When He brought punishment on Israel, He repeatedly promised to restore them when His anger cooled because He would remember His love for them. False teachers have made so much hay on God’s love that they’ve set the narrative on this. Holiness people are almost afraid to even admit that God loves for fear they might sound seeker friendly. There’s a tendency to diminish, downplay, and divert from God’s love because it suspiciously sounds ecumenical. Then we don’t want to face the question of how a loved person would end up in hell. Personally I’ve never struggled with God wishing He could love a person who self-destructs. Maybe because I’ve watched people self-destruct so many times in my family. I know what it’s like to grieve for a loved one going down the wrong path, and ultimately cutting them off because they’re too toxic. You can certainly believe God loves those He wishes to save while also believing those people can self-destruct and choose hell for themselves. You are right dear sister . WE JUST GOTTA RETURN to the BASICS . lets just do as the early church did . POINT TO JESUS as the only means to be saved . For quite some time I have believed that OSAS sprang from Calvinism . I WISH FOLKS knew how dangerous that man really was . I mean I really do . We don't need to over think things . ALL we need to do is KNOW , NO JESUS NO ETERNAL LIFE . That all who also profess him in mouth yet deny him in works , HE WILL ALSO TELL THEM , I NEVER KNEW you , I honestly have no peace on this post . Thinkers are on overdrive and I see some men learned ideals that just need to be burned out . WHY o WHY cant we just exhort about all things JESUS simply taught and the apostels simply taught . Its so easy to sum it up as a whole . LET us have the true love of GOD that desires none to perish , so we point to CHRIST as the only means of salvation . Let us be always looking out for another and if one is in error let us quickly restore such a one . Let us follow the examples of the early church . INSTEAD of trying to figure everything out . Just LIVE IT by CHRIST and do all to POINT TO HIM DOING and saying , and teaching all things THAT HONOR HIM . ISNT THAT SO SIMPLE . WHEN paul , or Christ , or peter , or any witnessed to the lost , I never seem to remember the words , WELL NO MATTER WHAT SOME DO THEY GOING TO HELL . IT was COME TO CHRIST OR PERISH . WHAT DID JESUS HIMSELF SAY the ONLY CONDEMNATION WAS . That MY FATHER PURPOSEFULLY CHOSE YOU TO HELL . OR was it THEY WONT COME TO THE LIGHT that they might be saved . ITS THE LATTER. THIS IS ALL WE NEED TO speak . Calvin destroyed , through his doctrines , more souls than the beaches have grains of sand . Thus men spend their time DEBATING on GOD created some for death , INSTEAD OF EXHORTING ON , COME TO JESUS that ye may be SAVED FROM THAT DEATH. Can we just start over and forget this whole post . Please .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2019 9:48:24 GMT -5
Yep there comes a point, at certain times, to were prayer is all we can do. And I agree that we cannot force them to get saved. But nevertheless, we need to be a witness, and trust me, I do not talk about competitive sports with people. I will plant seeds though, and yes there are times you talk about whatever, but we need to plant seeds, which I do. And some do not want you in their company or invite you, but there are some who will still listen to the gospel, they may not receive it at that moment, but they will listen. Anyhow God is good. And I find the bible interprets itself. Joh 3:16-17 (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. The equation is this: Workers of iniquity=unbelievers He hates=workers of iniquity He loves=unbelievers, or those who are not saved There is no other equation to come to, it is written black and white. YES . Just one more thing I would add . Because this is what GOD despises most , and even those HE desires to repent . But He despise this the most and he will VOMIT all out of His mouth who continue in this . ITS BEING LUKEWARM . MEANING WHAT , THEY MAY USE THE NAME OF JESUS , BUT ..................................Exactly . I wish you were either cold or Hot rather than lukewarm . And believe me the cold are not saved . WHY also do we think GOD told the jews , if ye wanna worship baal THEN GO ON DO IT , ONLY LEAVE MY NAME OUT OF IT . HE don't like the mindset that OH WE SERVING HIM , yet really they following their own hearts desires and have set up their own gods . The overwhelming vast , ever so vast number of churches today , ARE LUKEWARM . And the call is , be zeaous and repent , for why will ye die o churches of men . See , even in the worst case scenario of being lukewarm GOD STILL DESIRED THEM TO REPENT . But if folks don't , THEY not gonna like their end one bit . And it is worse to have known or know the right way of the LORD and yet do it not . MUCH MORE STRIPES on that one . Folks its time for an all out call to the return of Heavy reading in those bibles and getting sharpened by its refreshing pages . ALL who believe from the heart in JESUS HAVE the COMFORTER and the COMFORTER will refresh and clear our minds as we read the wonderful TRUTH in the bible . We need to all also seriously examine our selves . And to look out for one another . My prayer is this , For me its , LORD whatever ways that are in me that are contrary to you , By mercy Remove it . And the same for all the others too . ITS Time to get our house in order . Its time , more than ever , we ensure once again and learn only more the JESUS CHRIST that is in THAT BIBLE . SO let us be encouraged in this . OH see it as great hope . SO now I ask us all , IF you all have seen anything in me that might be contrary to what CHRIST would have taught , TELL ME NOW . Even if you misunderstood me , then at least it can get cleared up . BUT I TRULY want us all to be walking as we ought . So whatever has popped up in anyones mind that they even think I might be in error on I AM saying , YOU SPEAK IT now . And if you or any was in error and had misunderstood what I said or meant . THAT IS OKAY WITH ME , I WILL JUST explain it . AND If I was in error , I WANT US all to pray I REPENT OF that error . ITS TIME . I only want me and us to HONOR HE WHO HAS SAVED US . THIS is the desire .
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 11, 2019 9:48:43 GMT -5
Frienduff I agree brother. This ought to be simple. It’s quite simple in the Bible. The complicated debates arise because Calvinists and seeker-friendlies tie it up in knots for their own gain, and then holiness people go on the defensive. Personally I don’t find much delight in opposing false doctrines all day.
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