Dezi
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Post by Dezi on Feb 22, 2020 12:27:50 GMT -5
Let's learn how to come out of the Traditions of men
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Post by Dezi on Feb 22, 2020 12:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by Giller on Feb 22, 2020 15:33:06 GMT -5
Let's learn how to come out of the Traditions of men Good video Dezi, I have been against this repeat after me sinner's prayer for a while, for it really is not scriptural, and how many truly get saved by this means? Many are proclaimed born again, but how many truly have been? I have seen these things since somewhere in the late 1990's to early 2000's. And I do not like this thing about people calling the building the church, when it is the people that are believers, that are the church. What is needed is the power of God, and not the tactics of men, let us just simply stick to the bible.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 22, 2020 16:58:59 GMT -5
Very nice videos.
Thank you for sharing. We are the Church, not a building.
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Post by Giller on Feb 22, 2020 21:30:37 GMT -5
I will have to listen to part 2 sometime.
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Post by Giller on Feb 22, 2020 23:14:13 GMT -5
Very interesting video Dezi, just finished part 2.
Yes in the bible God called some to be pastors, teachers, evangelists, apostles and so on, for the perfecting of the church.
Never to use it as a title so to Lord it over the flock.
And I like the verse he used, which is this:
2Pe 1:1 (1) Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Peter mentions that he is an apostle here, but also he mentions that he is just simply a servant.
And yes the title of pastor should never be used in a Capital "P" sense, for a pastor and so on, are just fellow servants.
Now pastors do have an important role, they can exert some form of authority, but they are not to lord it over the flock.
And of course concerning the giving part, God loves a cheerful giver.
And I am not against preachers preaching in front of a congregation, and Paul and even Jesus spoke before crowds, even Jesus stood up in the temple and spoke before the people, but often times people idolize the preacher, and they make some type of idol out of what is called the sanctuary.
To me, in a service, you know what the main event is, it is just simply meeting with God, and allowing the building up of the word, to get us closer to God.
All parts of the service really is the main event, no part is any more important than the other, whether it be the praying, the worshiping, sharing a testimony, or preaching, it is all the main event, as long as we are seeking the right thing in these things, which is to just have a closer walk with Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 8:12:13 GMT -5
Sounds like a very important topic....going to watch these videos a bit later today, Lord willing.
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Post by Giller on Feb 23, 2020 10:18:05 GMT -5
We are called to do all to the glory of God, not to bring attention to self.
And I am all for people praying for one another, whether they be called in front for prayer or remain in their seats.
As long as we do not make planks of wood somehow holy, you can pray were you are and God can answer your prayer.
The word sanctuary means this in the Greek:
(Strong's concordance)
(G39
ἅγιον
hagion
hag'-ee-on
Neuter of G40; a sacred thing (that is, spot): - holiest (of all), holy place, sanctuary.
Total KJV occurrences: 11)
If Christ is in the mist of us, then it becomes a holy place, not because of the building or the house, simply because God is in the midst.
But people seem to make the front of the building were people can kneel their feet on steps of wood, the sanctuary, which is not a biblical concept, there is nothing holy about the front of a building.
God is the one that is holy, and we need him.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 23, 2020 11:32:57 GMT -5
Sounds like a very important topic....going to watch these videos a bit later today, Lord willing. Me too dear sister . I will watch them as I have time later . I do want to say one thing though . For many don't realize this . You know how billy graham preached those messages , and yet , yet he let Catholics set up stations at his revivals . SO no matter what truth billy spoke at times , he made a grievous and deadly error . Because let pretend billys gospel message was one hundred percent right . But then you turn around and let folks enter into ROME . talk about a deception . IT would be like me sounding out all the warnings I have , sounding out the ONLY JESUS saves and so forth and then turning around and helping to lead folks right into Kenneth copleand camps or those dangerous men , or ROME . I mean that would be total deception . BILLY should have been warning out against ROME , not opening up or allowing it to have a seat in his revivals . THAT alone is a major bad sign . That alone should have concerned many .
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Post by Cletus on Feb 23, 2020 11:35:19 GMT -5
Let's learn how to come out of the Traditions of men Good video Dezi, I have been against this repeat after me sinner's prayer for a while, for it really is not scriptural, and how many truly get saved by this means? Many are proclaimed born again, but how many truly have been? I have seen these things since somewhere in the late 1990's to early 2000's. And I do not like this thing about people calling the building the church, when it is the people that are believers, that are the church. What is needed is the power of God, and not the tactics of men, let us just simply stick to the bible. whats not scriptural about the sinners prayer? I ask because i keep hearing/reading people say this and i have had The Holy Spirit rain down on me and speak thru me... the gospel, and then there was prayer and thru me God has saved hundreds. the prayer was pretty much the sinners prayer. there was also that sweet sweet aroma in the air that is only present when someone gets saved. Afterwards their eyes did shine.
i can understand the sinners prayer is not found in scripture but what i can find in scripture is repenting and turning from sin, and turning to Jesus Christ and believing on Him as LORD and Savior, and that He died to pay the penalty of sin, and was risen in three days from the grave, and did ascend and was seated on the right hand of God. when i have preached the gospel i begin with the first three chapters of genesis explaining why we are born in a fallen state and in need of a savior, and John chapter 1 in the beginning was the Word, I backdoor this with the book of revelation speaking on who The Word is... i give much testimony, and am all over the NT with scripture about salvation and who Jesus is. if all this is covered, especially with the unction of The Holy Ghost being the one actually speaking... what is unbiblical about the sinners prayer? what more per scripture is there to cover in regards to salvation?
I am asking this because its puzzling to me i keep hearing its un biblical. I do not think its so much the prayer... but the application some ministers use. because of this i must speak... because why should we knock something that does work, i say again... hundreds of people God has saved thru me. I cant fathom why people are saying this, or why we would throw out a tool that is effective when if the whole truth, aka full gospel is being proclaimed God will use it, and in my experience does use it.
furthermore, i do not want to come across as pushing this on you to do... if The Spirit leads you in another way or is making you apprehensive about using the sinners prayer by all means follow that leading, I am just a man and if you forgot my name it would mean nothing on the time line of eternity for you. i am nothing. but even still i am curious whats not biblical about the sinners prayer, or leading someone in prayer? and i do leave this question open ended to anyone who would reply.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 23, 2020 11:36:53 GMT -5
Lets just follow Christ and be here for one another and read our bibles daily . We have all hope , let us continue in our hope , in our LORD faithful to the end . HE will give us all we do need to follow HIM as we ought too . Let us heed the voice of the SHEPARD , of the SPIRIT which is our connection. Christ is the KING of kings and only savoir and let all lambs know and always know and continue to know , THAT HE ALONE must be confessed by the mouth and believed in from the heart for any to be saved . Let us continue to exhort daily , let us be here for one another and in all that we do or say let it HONOR HE WHO HAS SAVED US and may all continue to heed the SPIRIT and not the flesh . FOLLOW JESUS , FOLLOW THE SPIRIT , HE is with the lambs and can keep us from falling , ONLY we BETTER HEED HIM , or fall we will .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 23, 2020 11:41:09 GMT -5
Good video Dezi, I have been against this repeat after me sinner's prayer for a while, for it really is not scriptural, and how many truly get saved by this means? Many are proclaimed born again, but how many truly have been? I have seen these things since somewhere in the late 1990's to early 2000's. And I do not like this thing about people calling the building the church, when it is the people that are believers, that are the church. What is needed is the power of God, and not the tactics of men, let us just simply stick to the bible. whats not scriptural about the sinners prayer? I ask because i keep hearing/reading people say this and i have had The Holy Spirit rain down on me and speak thru me... the gospel, and then there was prayer and thru me God has saved hundreds. the prayer was pretty much the sinners prayer. there was also that sweet sweet aroma in the air that is only present when someone gets saved. Afterwards their eyes did shine.
i can understand the sinners prayer is not found in scripture but what i can find in scripture is repenting and turning from sin, and turning to Jesus Christ and believing on Him as LORD and Savior, and that He died to pay the penalty of sin, and was risen in three days from the grave, and did ascend and was seated on the right hand of God. when i have preached the gospel i begin with the first three chapters of genesis explaining why we are born in a fallen state and in need of a savior, and John chapter 1 in the beginning was the Word, I backdoor this with the book of revelation speaking on who The Word is... i give much testimony, and am all over the NT with scripture about salvation and who Jesus is. if all this is covered, especially with the unction of The Holy Ghost being the one actually speaking... what is unbiblical about the sinners prayer? what more per scripture is there to cover in regards to salvation?
I am asking this because its puzzling to me i keep hearing its un biblical. I do not think its so much the prayer... but the application some ministers use. because of this i must speak... because why should we knock something that does work, i say again... hundreds of people God has saved thru me. I cant fathom why people are saying this, or why we would throw out a tool that is effective when if the whole truth, aka full gospel is being proclaimed God will use it, and in my experience does use it.
furthermore, i do not want to come across as pushing this on you to do... if The Spirit leads you in another way or is making you apprehensive about using the sinners prayer by all means follow that leading, I am just a man and if you forgot my name it would mean nothing on the time line of eternity for you. i am nothing. but even still i am curious whats not biblical about the sinners prayer, or leading someone in prayer? and i do leave this question open ended to anyone who would reply.
I agree , a prayer is not wrong at all . What worried me greatly about billy graham was not the prayer , it was How he made unity with ROME and allowed catholic stations to be set up at HIS REVIVALS . CLETUS that alone is why I worried very much for that man . cause it would like me saying a good gospel message , yet turning around and letting folks enter under todd white , or Kenneth or rome and etc . IT would make no sense , UNLESS I was really doing their work . Something was bad wrong . Billy should never have met with the pope and allowed that influence to take hold on him . Something was off Cletus . I am not speaking ill of the man , I am only showing the error that I seen very clear in which he did . As I said I don't condmen a soul over this sinners prayer . WHat on erath is wrong with asking the LORD to come into us , even david asked for increase of the SPIRIT and so forth . The sinners prayer does not bother me . WHAT bothers me is , so many conversions are not real , cause so many pastors led them to ……..ANTOHER JESUS . that is what concerns me . But anyway . hands up Cletus . and praise the LORD
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Post by Cletus on Feb 23, 2020 11:50:53 GMT -5
oh, yeah i left of the confess with the mouth Jesus is LORD part from my above post.
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Post by solid on Feb 23, 2020 12:02:20 GMT -5
Let's learn how to come out of the Traditions of men It comes across to me, that in trying to defend house churches, they are attacking those who meet in a church building. I see nothing wrong with calling a building a church and having altar calls.
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Post by solid on Feb 23, 2020 12:13:11 GMT -5
This message is false. The Apostles did refer to themselves as being Apostles. These videos are attacking men of God to defend their lawlessness. I don't receive any of it!
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