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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 8:19:23 GMT -5
I did not say the place itself was the church, but rather that the people was the church, and when the church gathers together for a meeting, or that we enter into that meeting or church service that we have come to being in the church, and not the place. The place is just the place, and that is why their are greetings like to the church that is in such a house and not to the church that is this or that house. So the church is the people, or also points to the meeting they are having together as a body, the place does not form the church but rather it is them seeking God together that makes them being in the church, and not the place. Read what I said carefully. And the words for church and temple are different Greek words. Now I do not know how accurate this is, but I did read that it is mentioned that the first use of the word church referring to buildings was around 300 A.D., which was about the time of Constantine, and I am not saying Constantine coined this, just rather that it may have been started to be mentioned as a building around this time, and also I read of one group who spoke against (which there may have been many) the word church referring to a building, which was the Quakers. I do not know how much people realize this, but around the time of A.D. 300, was a time of great apostasy, and of course today it is a time of great apostasy. Yes. It's worth noting that Israel was in a condition of apostasy too, at the time of Jesus' first coming. What has been will be again (Ecc.) seems to be a biblical principle...repeating cycles. First the natural then the spiritual...first Israel then the church.
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Post by Giller on Mar 7, 2020 22:00:16 GMT -5
Sprinkling / and Shedding
Luk 22:20 (20) Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Now we have mentioned before that to shed is not just a little amount of blood, but a gushing out of blood, a pouring out of blood.
And that is what happened on the cross, a pouring out of blood.
And I find it really interesting what it says in these next verses:
Exo 24:5-8 (5) And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD. (6) And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. (7) And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. (8) And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.
It mentions a sprinkling of blood upon the people, and not a gushing of blood which flowed upon the people.
So the blood of animals was sprinkled upon the people under old testament times, well then what about our hearts under new covenant times, was Jesus' blood sprinkled upon those hearts, or does it mention a gushing out of blood upon those hearts?
Heb 10:19-22 (19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) And having an high priest over the house of God; (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
1Pe 1:2 (2) Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
It was our hearts that was sprinkled by the blood of Jesus, which is what enables us to come boldly into the heavenly hollies of hollies.
And when we put our faith in Christ and his finished work, we acknowledged his sacrifice, thus we came unto obedience to were the blood of Christ was now able to be sprinkled about the heart.
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Post by Giller on Mar 8, 2020 9:06:47 GMT -5
Now the word mentions the word shed in many ways:
Act 2:33 (33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Rom 5:5 (5) And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Tit 3:5-6 (5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (6) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Now Acts points to the promise of the Holy Ghost being poured out or shed upon people, and Romans covers the love of God being poured out upon believer's hearts, and Titus refers to God's mercy being abundantly shed or poured out.
And also the word of God uses shed this way:
Act 22:20 (20) And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.
Rev 16:6 (6) For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
So in these verses it talks about the shedding of blood, but concerning the blood of Jesus being put about the heart, the only word used is sprinkling, as we seen in my previous post.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 11:52:06 GMT -5
Heb 10:19-22 (19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) And having an high priest over the house of God; (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
1Pe 1:2 (2) Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
It was our hearts that was sprinkled by the blood of Jesus, which is what enables us to come boldly into the heavenly hollies of hollies.
And when we put our faith in Christ and his finished work, we acknowledged his sacrifice, thus we came unto obedience to were the blood of Christ was now able to be sprinkled about the heart.
And one thing that would represent the heart being sprinkled, is found in our next scripture:
Exo 12:7 (7) And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Now they put the blood on literal doors here to a literal house, but it represents the doorposts of the heart.
Rev 3:20 (20) Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
I will soon get into the blood being sprinkled and the altar.
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Post by Giller on Mar 11, 2020 9:23:00 GMT -5
Just a bit more on the blood of sprinkling.
Heb 11:24-28 (24) By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; (25) Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; (26) Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. (27) By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. (28) Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
It says of Moses, by faith he kept the sprinkling of the blood.
Here is a comment on this:
(John Wesley)
(Hebrews 11:28 The pouring out of the blood - Of the paschal lamb, which was sprinkled on the door - posts, lest the destroying angel should touch the Israelites. Exo 12:12-18.)
So literally they would kill a lamb, and take of its blood and sprinkled it on the door posts.
And Moses was faithful to keep this, and do so.
He was obedient to the sprinkling of the blood.
So now how are we saved?
Luk 22:20 (20) Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Jesus shed his blood for us, so we could be redeemed from sin.
And once we become born again, we get a new heart and a new spirit, and the blood of the lamb which was shed for us, gets sprinkled upon the heart, and we are washed from all our sins.
And of course this work continues in our lives, and cleanses us from the sins that we sometimes commit, and so on.
1Pe 1:2 (2) Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
It talks of the elect coming unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.
That refers to us, so how do we come to obedience unto the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus?
Well we know it is not literal because we no longer sacrifice animals today, but rather it is through repentance, which enabled for the blood of Jesus to be sprinkled upon the heart.
That is how we came to obedience to the sprinkling of the blood.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 9:38:33 GMT -5
Amen....I do believe that sprinkling implies a thorough washing and immersion...just that the physical limitations of the physical blood of lambs and other animals made sprinkling necessary to make the limited amount of blood go far enough to touch and 'wash' everyone. (not to mention the practicality of being less messy, erk) And then the word "sprinkling" was used in the new testament in order to connect it and tie into what was being said in the old. So Jesus blood sprinkled really is talking about being washed or immersed in His blood.
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Post by frienduff on Mar 11, 2020 11:15:51 GMT -5
I did not say the place itself was the church, but rather that the people was the church, and when the church gathers together for a meeting, or that we enter into that meeting or church service that we have come to being in the church, and not the place. The place is just the place, and that is why their are greetings like to the church that is in such a house and not to the church that is this or that house. So the church is the people, or also points to the meeting they are having together as a body, the place does not form the church but rather it is them seeking God together that makes them being in the church, and not the place. Read what I said carefully. And the words for church and temple are different Greek words. Now I do not know how accurate this is, but I did read that it is mentioned that the first use of the word church referring to buildings was around 300 A.D., which was about the time of Constantine, and I am not saying Constantine coined this, just rather that it may have been started to be mentioned as a building around this time, and also I read of one group who spoke against (which there may have been many) the word church referring to a building, which was the Quakers. I do not know how much people realize this, but around the time of A.D. 300, was a time of great apostasy, and of course today it is a time of great apostasy. Its like it has come full circle again . And notice the same mindset . back then ROME the SYSTEM came into full power and effect . TODAY under a guise ROME is going to sit over what many think is a new system . BUT REALLY its not at all . The entity has run its course . the mystery of inquity is filling full alll not in the lambs book of life . ONE FINAL PUSH , ONE FINAL GOAL , ONE FINAL SOLUTION . and the effects of it , WILL cause the death of many , many , many lambs . The climatic end hour is approaching . As for me , I am going out faithful to the KING and exposing this inclusive dung pile false dead end second death leading too fake love .
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Post by Giller on Mar 11, 2020 12:14:59 GMT -5
One thing I find amazing with God is that he is able in one form or another, to have people's hearts sprinkled about with the blood of the lamb, once born again, and he is able to spread this blood to each heart.
The blood never runs out, available to all.
God is good.
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Post by Giller on Mar 11, 2020 12:23:25 GMT -5
Now for the next part, concerning the blood and the heavenly altar.
Here are some verses to meditate on:
Heb 9:21-23 (21) Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. (22) And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. (23) It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
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Post by Giller on Apr 13, 2020 10:04:00 GMT -5
Heb 9:12-14 (12) Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. (13) For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: (14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Now Jesus' blood redeemed us from sin, we were redeemed by him shedding his blood on the cross, but in doing so, the bible also says that he entered the holy place (heavenly holy place), by his blood, which tells us that his blood did go with him to heaven in some way.
And then in the very same chapter, it says this:
Heb 9:19-23 (19) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, (20) Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. (21) Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
(22) And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
(23) It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
So just as Moses sprinkled the people, and the tabernacle and vessels of the ministry with blood, in like manner, just now with the blood of Jesus, the bible says it was necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these.
If it says it was necessary, that means it was necessary. Why, well God knows why.
So the heavenly things such as the heavenly tabernacle, the heavenly altar and so on, were purified with better sacrifices, which was through the blood of Jesus, and if the bible says it was necessary, then I will just believe it.
So Jesus died on the cross for us, and after he died, he had went by his blood into the heavenly holy place itself, and sprinkled by his blood the things in heaven such as the heavenly altar and so on, but also when someone gets born again, a person gets a new heart, and the blood gets sprinkled about the heart and cleanses our conscience from sin.
God is good.
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Post by Giller on Apr 13, 2020 10:51:19 GMT -5
Concerning the earthly physical tabernacle that God had Moses build, there was two altars the brazen altar which is were sacrifices were done, and the altar of incense.
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Post by Giller on Apr 13, 2020 11:24:44 GMT -5
Altar of incense
Here is information about the altar of incense, and in this article it shows verses that show blood was even sprinkled at this altar:
(https://hoshanarabbah.org/blog/2019/02/16/altar-of-incense/)
(...Exodus 30:1–10, Altar to burn incense. The golden incense altar was constructed of acacia wood covered in gold and was situated in front of the veil leading into the holy of holies (the most set-apart place) halfway between the menorah and the table of showbread. Like the table of showbread, it had a golden crown around the top of it, which points to Yeshua being the head of the body of believers. The priest burned incense on the altar twice daily, in the morning and the evening. Scripture reveals that incense represents the prayers of the saints rising up to heaven before the throne of Elohim (Ps 141:2; Rev 5:8), which in the tabernacle is pictured by the mercy seat in the most set-apart place or oracle (d’veer). The altar of incense was a place of deep prayer, praise, worship and intercession and speaks directly to the intimate...prayer life and devotions of the born-again believer before the throne of the Father in heaven.
The Altar of Incense in More Detail
At the altar of incense, preparation was made to enter the most set-apart place (holy of holies). This altar was located just opposite the veil of the kodesh hakodashim (holy of holies) where the high priest offered up incense to the Father in heaven. This was the place of ultimate worship, prayer and intercession just before entering into the most intimate place of all: the d’veer (oracle) or kodesh hakodashim. Only a very thin veil exists between the altar and the kodesh hakodashim where the abode of YHVH’s actual manifest presence was. It was on the altar of incense that the high priest made atonement once a year with the blood of the sin offering (Exod 30:10). The blood was sprinkled on this altar seven times. This occurred on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur; Lev 16:18–19)....)
Here is one of the scriptures mentioned:
Lev 16:18-19 (18) And he shall go out unto the altar that is before the LORD, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about. (19) And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.
And of course in heaven there is a golden altar as well to were the prayers of the saints reach:
Rev 8:3-4 (3) And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. (4) And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
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Post by Giller on Apr 13, 2020 11:41:38 GMT -5
Here is a mystery that people can ponder on:
Joh 20:16-17 (16) Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. (17) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Now we know that Christ's ascension to the right hand of the Father, was to happen just the day before Pentecost, which was 49 days from Christ's resurrection.
Or 49 days by including this day that he appeared to Mary, which was on the first day of the week.
So on the first day of the week, he says to Mary, touch me not, for he had not yet ascended to the Father.
Yet 8 days later, this is what he says to Thomas:
Joh 20:26-28 (26) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. (28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
So 8 days later Thomas was able to touch Jesus, even though he had not yet ascended to the right hand of the father.
So could the specific ascension Jesus was talking about of happened somewhere during the time, to were Mary could not touch him, yet Thomas being able to touch him?
Before Jesus went totally to the Father and sit at his right hand, could Jesus of had a certain other ascension to were he went by his blood, and sprinkled the things in heaven by his blood?
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 13, 2020 12:20:44 GMT -5
Here is a mystery that people can ponder on: Joh 20:16-17 (16) Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. (17) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Now we know that Christ's ascension to the right hand of the Father, was to happen just the day before Pentecost, which was 49 days from Christ's resurrection. Or 49 days by including this day that he appeared to Mary, which was on the first day of the week. So on the first day of the week, he says to Mary, touch me not, for he had not yet ascended to the Father. Yet 8 days later, this is what he says to Thomas: Joh 20:26-28 (26) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. (28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. So 8 days later Thomas was able to touch Jesus, even though he had not yet ascended to the right hand of the father. So could the specific ascension Jesus was talking about of happened somewhere during the time, to were Mary could not touch him, yet Thomas being able to touch him? Before Jesus went totally to the Father and sit at his right hand, could Jesus of had a certain other ascension to were he went by his blood, and sprinkled the things in heaven by his blood? I believe 8 is the biblical number for renewal. There were 8 human passengers on Noah's ark. Hebrew babies are circumcised on the 8th day, etc. That might have something to do with it.
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Post by Giller on Apr 13, 2020 13:51:19 GMT -5
Here is a mystery that people can ponder on: Joh 20:16-17 (16) Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. (17) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Now we know that Christ's ascension to the right hand of the Father, was to happen just the day before Pentecost, which was 49 days from Christ's resurrection. Or 49 days by including this day that he appeared to Mary, which was on the first day of the week. So on the first day of the week, he says to Mary, touch me not, for he had not yet ascended to the Father. Yet 8 days later, this is what he says to Thomas: Joh 20:26-28 (26) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. (28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. So 8 days later Thomas was able to touch Jesus, even though he had not yet ascended to the right hand of the father. So could the specific ascension Jesus was talking about of happened somewhere during the time, to were Mary could not touch him, yet Thomas being able to touch him? Before Jesus went totally to the Father and sit at his right hand, could Jesus of had a certain other ascension to were he went by his blood, and sprinkled the things in heaven by his blood? I believe 8 is the biblical number for renewal. There were 8 human passengers on Noah's ark. Hebrew babies are circumcised on the 8th day, etc. That might have something to do with it. Ya I was just reading up on the meaning of the number 8, and what I found is pretty close to what you are saying which it points to a new beginning, or new order or creation. And concerning Jesus saying do not touch me, and yet being able to be touched by Thomas 8 days later, it was 8 literal days of course, but could have represented a new beginning of total faith in Christ for Thomas. And here is something to think about: Mat 27:50-53 (50) Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.(51) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; (52) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,(53) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. So to me it seems that these saints that rose from the dead after Christ's resurrection, which seems to of happened on the first day of the week, not long after they appeared to men, went to Heaven with Jesus on that day. And the only way to go to heaven is to be born again. So I think that once Jesus appeared to Mary, and maybe to some of the disciples, on the first day of the week, that sometime during this day, he went to Heaven to sprinkle the blood on the Heavenly things, and afterwards these saints that rose from the dead went to Heaven, their bodies going back to the grave. For you cannot go to heaven unless you are born again, and of course you need the blood. But as far as alive people were concerned, the first ones to become born again were the people on the day of Pentecost, in the upper room. And also at the rapture it will be first the dead who shall have glorified bodies, and then the alive.
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