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Post by frienduff on Aug 23, 2020 15:37:25 GMT -5
You close , but no quite my dear sister . If we read carefully , we know something . SO LONG as one is in the error , THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS . ITS WHY they must be CONVERTED back to the real FAITH IN HIM . PRAY and let that one sink in . He was sick with sorrow , cause GOD made him AWARE OF HIS ERROR . JUST as HE DOES ALL LAMBS WHO ERR . try SLEEPING while you in error . Go ahead sister try and tell me , IF you are in error , or when you have been , DID YOU HAVE WONDERFUL PEACE . HECK NO . only MISERY ABOUNDED . THAT be the WORK OF GOD , to cause us to SORROW TO REPENTANCE . HE is the ONE IN CONTROL . AND if we have the SPIRIT , we too would correct , even the whiff of error in other folks . But know this . men and women are not the same in one aspect . MEN will have a more authorative approach women a more submissive approach . BOTH are grave and full of compassion . The man is no better than the woman. No wiser , no smarter , FOR JESUS is the only one who reveals truth . But let not the emotions rule the heart . Our thinkers can be highly deadly . our rats and our mice in our skulls must be silenced . AND ONLY BIBLICAL TRUTH can do that . ONLY the SPIRIT can do that . When the mouse runs for the wrong cheese , SHUT IT DOWN . Let us not overthink the simplicity in JESUS . ERROR must be ceased asap . WHEN JESUS saw error , HOW DID HE approach error . When the apostels saw error , HOW DID they approach it . Let not emotions rule the day . LET TRUTH RULE THE HEART . There is only one thing to MULL over . IF JESUS SAID IT HEED IT and OBEY IT . IF i tell my son , son you gonna get a spanky if you dont heed me . I MEAN what i say . AND when he dont , HE GETTETH THE SPANKY . What JESUS said is black and white simple . IF YE DENY ME , I DENY YOU . THUS if any does err , and THEY DO , REMIND THEM , HE WHO DENIES JESUS , GETS DENIED , PEROID . Watch how fast that approach works . Black ...........................and White . SIMPLICITY . One other thing to consider is Judas Iscariot. After he saw the Lord was condemned, he was sorrowful for selling him out, and even threw the 30 pieces of silver back at those he got the money from, but never found forgiveness. Peter was sorry he denied the Lord, but was not restored at that point. I think Peter was feeling too condemned to seek the Lord's forgiveness. Of course, God knows the beginning and the ending, and knew Peter would return to Him and even that he would die on a cross because of his faith.
One thing that many do is use human reasoning to come to their conclusions. The OSAS crowd for instance will try to mock by saying you cannot be saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, etc. They say that trying to make it appear ridiculous, but they have no Biblical basis for saying that. They will say that a person cannot be unborn, but in the natural, you cannot be born again, so once again, human reasoning fails. If we stick only with what the Bible actually says, you can be saved today, lose salvation because of denying the Lord, and repent and be restored. Either that is true, or Jesus was not telling us straight, and He did not mean what He said. Judas did feel sorrowful , it says he repented . BUT LOOK at what JESUS said . And NONE of them is LOST , BUT THE SON OF PERDTION . TOO late for judas . HE SOLD JESUS OUT . WHY Do you think that the apostel also warns , BE NOT as essau who for one morsel of bread SOLD HIS BIRTHRIGHT . DO NOT SELL OUT the ONE TRUE GLORIOUS GOSPLE for a piece of one world unity alll inclusive bread . THAT IS , the SELL OUT in the last days . EVERYTHING always POINTED TO JESUS as the ONLY MEANS OF SALVATION and the all inclusvie says otherwise . IT IS THE LIE . BEWARE IT , IT IS THE LIE . AND damned will be all who partook of it . DAMNED . IT leadeth to the christ called ANTI . IT DOES . LET NO MAN , WOMAN OR CHILD swallow its inclusive unity pill . IF YOU DO , YE SHALL be DAMNED . RIGHT to the POINT that one is . BUT TO THE POINT is must be . WATCH OUT . WATCH OUT . TAKE HEED and BEWARE , for the coming of this unity and the spirit of the one who began it IS AMONGST US NOW . AND IT WAITS TO MAKE ITS MOVE . BE ON GAURD . OH DEAR MAY ALL BE ON GAURD .
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Post by John on Aug 23, 2020 15:53:28 GMT -5
Judas was sorrowful, but rather than go to Jesus, he hung himself.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 23, 2020 15:56:33 GMT -5
Judas was sorrowful, but rather than go to Jesus, he hung himself.
Well , he sure never did do that . I never read anywhere where he went to JESUS .
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Post by John on Aug 23, 2020 16:02:02 GMT -5
Judas was sorrowful, but rather than go to Jesus, he hung himself.
Well , he sure never did do that . I never read anywhere where he went to JESUS . The only hope Judas would have had was to go to Jesus and repent, but he did not do that. Jesus knew what Judas would do before it happened. He knows all that everyone will do.
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Post by watchful on Aug 23, 2020 16:18:30 GMT -5
Yes, converted from their error, but I am not sure that is talking about being converted back to the faith if they had never fallen away from it. Is it not possible that someone can commit a sin or believe a wrong doctrine and still be in the faith? Goodness, in that case then I think we have likely all fallen away from the faith many times since we began, yikes, especially in our immaturity, and what do we do about sins committed unknowingly, more yikes because we can't even repent of those. Regarding Peter, it does seem that he was sick with sorry immediately once he realized what he had done. Scripture talks about those whose root is shallow and such do fall away when trouble comes because of the word....their faith fails and they fall away in heart as well as in mouth. Myself I question whether we are to understand that that is what happened to whole-hearted Peter here...all the more since Jesus prayed specifically that he would not. But yes he became stronger because he had LEARNED AND GROWN through the testing....he was not yet matured at the time of his epic fail, but that experience did help him to grow. We have to know there are reasons why Peter is so much written about...the good the bad and the ugly, heh. Anyway, lots to mull over with these things. You close , but no quite my dear sister . If we read carefully , we know something . SO LONG as one is in the error , THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS . ITS WHY they must be CONVERTED back to the real FAITH IN HIM . PRAY and let that one sink in . He was sick with sorrow , cause GOD made him AWARE OF HIS ERROR . JUST as HE DOES ALL LAMBS WHO ERR . try SLEEPING while you in error . Go ahead sister try and tell me , IF you are in error , or when you have been , DID YOU HAVE WONDERFUL PEACE . HECK NO . only MISERY ABOUNDED . THAT be the WORK OF GOD , to cause us to SORROW TO REPENTANCE . HE is the ONE IN CONTROL . AND if we have the SPIRIT , we too would correct , even the whiff of error in other folks . But know this . men and women are not the same in one aspect . MEN will have a more authorative approach women a more submissive approach . BOTH are grave and full of compassion . The man is no better than the woman. No wiser , no smarter , FOR JESUS is the only one who reveals truth . But let not the emotions rule the heart . Our thinkers can be highly deadly . our rats and our mice in our skulls must be silenced . AND ONLY BIBLICAL TRUTH can do that . ONLY the SPIRIT can do that . When the mouse runs for the wrong cheese , SHUT IT DOWN . Let us not overthink the simplicity in JESUS . ERROR must be ceased asap . WHEN JESUS saw error , HOW DID HE approach error . When the apostels saw error , HOW DID they approach it . Let not emotions rule the day . LET TRUTH RULE THE HEART . There is only one thing to MULL over . IF JESUS SAID IT HEED IT and OBEY IT . IF i tell my son , son you gonna get a spanky if you dont heed me . I MEAN what i say . AND when he dont , HE GETTETH THE SPANKY . What JESUS said is black and white simple . IF YE DENY ME , I DENY YOU . THUS if any does err , and THEY DO , REMIND THEM , HE WHO DENIES JESUS , GETS DENIED , PEROID . Watch how fast that approach works . Black ...........................and White . SIMPLICITY . There's a difference between willful sins and non-willful sins, surely. And even with willful sins one has to "keep on" willfuly sinning to be an apostate, having fallen away into a lifestyle of sin. Let's say someone hits their thumb with a hammer and inadvertently uses a swear word, have they fallen away from the faith? That is hard to fathom.
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Post by John on Aug 23, 2020 16:25:21 GMT -5
You close , but no quite my dear sister . If we read carefully , we know something . SO LONG as one is in the error , THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS . ITS WHY they must be CONVERTED back to the real FAITH IN HIM . PRAY and let that one sink in . He was sick with sorrow , cause GOD made him AWARE OF HIS ERROR . JUST as HE DOES ALL LAMBS WHO ERR . try SLEEPING while you in error . Go ahead sister try and tell me , IF you are in error , or when you have been , DID YOU HAVE WONDERFUL PEACE . HECK NO . only MISERY ABOUNDED . THAT be the WORK OF GOD , to cause us to SORROW TO REPENTANCE . HE is the ONE IN CONTROL . AND if we have the SPIRIT , we too would correct , even the whiff of error in other folks . But know this . men and women are not the same in one aspect . MEN will have a more authorative approach women a more submissive approach . BOTH are grave and full of compassion . The man is no better than the woman. No wiser , no smarter , FOR JESUS is the only one who reveals truth . But let not the emotions rule the heart . Our thinkers can be highly deadly . our rats and our mice in our skulls must be silenced . AND ONLY BIBLICAL TRUTH can do that . ONLY the SPIRIT can do that . When the mouse runs for the wrong cheese , SHUT IT DOWN . Let us not overthink the simplicity in JESUS . ERROR must be ceased asap . WHEN JESUS saw error , HOW DID HE approach error . When the apostels saw error , HOW DID they approach it . Let not emotions rule the day . LET TRUTH RULE THE HEART . There is only one thing to MULL over . IF JESUS SAID IT HEED IT and OBEY IT . IF i tell my son , son you gonna get a spanky if you dont heed me . I MEAN what i say . AND when he dont , HE GETTETH THE SPANKY . What JESUS said is black and white simple . IF YE DENY ME , I DENY YOU . THUS if any does err , and THEY DO , REMIND THEM , HE WHO DENIES JESUS , GETS DENIED , PEROID . Watch how fast that approach works . Black ...........................and White . SIMPLICITY . There's a difference between willful sins and non-willful sins, surely. And even with willful sins one has to "keep on" willfuly sinning to be an apostate, having fallen away into a lifestyle of sin. Let's say someone hits their thumb with a hammer and inadvertently uses a swear word, have they fallen away from the faith? That is hard to fathom. The Bible never says you must continue in willful sin for a long time to be lost. If you hit your finger and curse, that is not pre-meditated, and a real Christian would immediately repent of cursing.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Aug 23, 2020 16:36:54 GMT -5
There's a difference between willful sins and non-willful sins, surely. And even with willful sins one has to "keep on" willfuly sinning to be an apostate, having fallen away into a lifestyle of sin. Let's say someone hits their thumb with a hammer and inadvertently uses a swear word, have they fallen away from the faith? That is hard to fathom. The Bible never says you must continue in willful sin for a long time to be lost. If you hit your finger and curse, that is not pre-meditated, and a real Christian would immediately repent of cursing. What about the chastisement and rebuke of the Lord?
Hebrews 12:5-10 King James Version 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
My thought is that if we immediately lost our salvation upon willfully sinning, there would be no period of time where we receive chastisement and rebuke from the Lord.
But if we can go through discipline, doesn't that mean we are still saved during that process?
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Post by John on Aug 23, 2020 16:45:05 GMT -5
The Bible never says you must continue in willful sin for a long time to be lost. If you hit your finger and curse, that is not pre-meditated, and a real Christian would immediately repent of cursing. What about the chastisement and rebuke of the Lord?
Hebrews 12:5-10 King James Version 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
My thought is that if we immediately lost our salvation upon willfully sinning, there would be no period of time where we receive chastisement and rebuke from the Lord.
But if we can go through discipline, doesn't that mean we are still saved during that process? You have a point there, but there is no way to know if that applies to all sins or just some and where the line is. For instance, one time of blasphemy of the Holy Ghost and there is no hope. One time taking the mark of the beast, and you are doomed. There are sins unto death and sins not unto death and willful sins and mistakes. You can be in sin and not realize it, bringing correction (chastisement).
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Post by watchful on Aug 23, 2020 16:50:35 GMT -5
How deep do we want to go? How close to the King do we want to get? It's about growing and increasing. Building on the foundation (but do be careful how we build). Eze 47:3-6 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins. Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river. Sng 6:8-9 There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number. My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her. There are two depths . ONE draws us closer to JESUS , the other buries us in our own pit . How deep do i want to GO ................the depth that reaches heaven by the SIMPLICITY OF JESUS not the depth of our mind which digs our own pit wherein we bury ourselves . If our depth is not the depth the apostels had , we are digging our own hole . rest assured paul and the apostels were well advanced in the depths of the LORD which ascends the heart into the heavenly realm . Peter himself said , WE have the more SURE WORD of prophecy CHURCH . NEVER let the last days prophets fool us . AND WOE THEY DO TRY . never let our minds decieve us , and WOE IT WILL TRY . IF any approach towards SIN and error has not this ring , LET IT NOT BE ONCE NAMED , IT COMETH NOT OF GOD . THEMS apostels KNEW JESUS . LET US KNOW what THEY TAUGHT WELL . our minds can indeed be our own enemy . Let us ponder on this simplicty . And let us be encouraged IN THE KING . Then you are rejecting the scriptures I posted. The Spirit can be grieved but it takes a consistent lifestyle of willful sin for Him to depart a person, and that is when they are fallen away from the faith, not when He is still with them, if they have made a single mistake here or there along the way, and especially if it was inadvertent or committed out of ignorance. I believe He is more longsuffering than some seem to think, brother. And that doesn't mean I take sin lightly, so please don't misunderstand. I'm just saying as regards to someone having fallen away from the faith, well I think that is up to the Holy Spirit whether He chooses to depart a person or not or at what point, etc. Regarding the apostles, their teachings form the foundation and then we are to build (higher, deeper) on it. Going on to perfection....growing in the spirit and in understanding and in the knowledge of God. Many things to be uttered but they couldn't bear them yet. The bible is a big and deep treasure trove. It needs to be mined and we pay a price to mine it...as we "buy" the truth, amen. Lots to meditate on, a biblical thing to do.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Aug 23, 2020 17:12:22 GMT -5
What about the chastisement and rebuke of the Lord?
Hebrews 12:5-10 King James Version 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
My thought is that if we immediately lost our salvation upon willfully sinning, there would be no period of time where we receive chastisement and rebuke from the Lord.
But if we can go through discipline, doesn't that mean we are still saved during that process? You have a point there, but there is no way to know if that applies to all sins or just some and where the line is. For instance, one time of blasphemy of the Holy Ghost and there is no hope. One time taking the mark of the beast, and you are doomed. There are sins unto death and sins not unto death and willful sins and mistakes. You can be in sin and not realize it, bringing correction (chastisement).
The way I was taught to think about salvation might even be wrong.
In 1 Peter 1, salvation is mentioned twice.
Today, we tend to think of salvation as the beginning of faith. You convert to Jesus, and you're saved! But obtaining salvation in 1Peter 1:9 is seen as the end faith. I think perhaps it's both.
There's faith first, causing spiritual rebirth. But then you have to walk in fear, working out your salvation carefully. Then you receive your inheritance at the end, including the salvation of your soul.
Maybe it's hard for us to imagine us losing salvation easily because were taught that we obtain it the moment were converted and not after a lifetime of walking in the fear of God.
If it were hard to be disqualified, then there would be no need to warn that the path to life is Narrow and that the righteous are scarcely saved.
You might almost think about it like a spiritual rebirth is an amazing miracle, but a baby is still vulnerable to attack and helpless. That baby has to make it to spiritual adulthood. To learn to walk and run the race set before him.
Now does that mean that every willful sin disqualifies us? That, I'm not so sure of.
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Post by John on Aug 23, 2020 17:35:53 GMT -5
You have a point there, but there is no way to know if that applies to all sins or just some and where the line is. For instance, one time of blasphemy of the Holy Ghost and there is no hope. One time taking the mark of the beast, and you are doomed. There are sins unto death and sins not unto death and willful sins and mistakes. You can be in sin and not realize it, bringing correction (chastisement).
The way I was taught to think about salvation might even be wrong.
In 1 Peter 1, salvation is mentioned twice.
Today, we tend to think of salvation as the beginning of faith. You convert to Jesus, and you're saved! But obtaining salvation in 1Peter 1:9 is seen as the end faith. I think perhaps it's both.
There's faith first, causing spiritual rebirth. But then you have to walk in fear, working out your salvation carefully. Then you receive your inheritance at the end, including the salvation of your soul.
Maybe it's hard for us to imagine us losing salvation easily because were taught that we obtain it the moment were converted and not after a lifetime of walking in the fear of God.
If it were hard to be disqualified, then there would be no need to warn that the path to life is Narrow and that the righteous are scarcely saved.
You might almost think about it like a spiritual rebirth is an amazing miracle, but a baby is still vulnerable to attack and helpless. That baby has to make it to spiritual adulthood. To learn to walk and run the race set before him.
Now does that mean that every willful sin disqualifies us? That, I'm not so sure of.
I am glad you are seriously thinking about it in light of scripture, and not just accepting what people say. It is your soul that is at stake. People have been adding to the Word, making up things about what it takes to lose salvation. We need to just take the Bible at face value. I had the fear of God put in me doing that. I am thankful I was warned.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 23, 2020 20:50:19 GMT -5
You close , but no quite my dear sister . If we read carefully , we know something . SO LONG as one is in the error , THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS . ITS WHY they must be CONVERTED back to the real FAITH IN HIM . PRAY and let that one sink in . He was sick with sorrow , cause GOD made him AWARE OF HIS ERROR . JUST as HE DOES ALL LAMBS WHO ERR . try SLEEPING while you in error . Go ahead sister try and tell me , IF you are in error , or when you have been , DID YOU HAVE WONDERFUL PEACE . HECK NO . only MISERY ABOUNDED . THAT be the WORK OF GOD , to cause us to SORROW TO REPENTANCE . HE is the ONE IN CONTROL . AND if we have the SPIRIT , we too would correct , even the whiff of error in other folks . But know this . men and women are not the same in one aspect . MEN will have a more authorative approach women a more submissive approach . BOTH are grave and full of compassion . The man is no better than the woman. No wiser , no smarter , FOR JESUS is the only one who reveals truth . But let not the emotions rule the heart . Our thinkers can be highly deadly . our rats and our mice in our skulls must be silenced . AND ONLY BIBLICAL TRUTH can do that . ONLY the SPIRIT can do that . When the mouse runs for the wrong cheese , SHUT IT DOWN . Let us not overthink the simplicity in JESUS . ERROR must be ceased asap . WHEN JESUS saw error , HOW DID HE approach error . When the apostels saw error , HOW DID they approach it . Let not emotions rule the day . LET TRUTH RULE THE HEART . There is only one thing to MULL over . IF JESUS SAID IT HEED IT and OBEY IT . IF i tell my son , son you gonna get a spanky if you dont heed me . I MEAN what i say . AND when he dont , HE GETTETH THE SPANKY . What JESUS said is black and white simple . IF YE DENY ME , I DENY YOU . THUS if any does err , and THEY DO , REMIND THEM , HE WHO DENIES JESUS , GETS DENIED , PEROID . Watch how fast that approach works . Black ...........................and White . SIMPLICITY . There's a difference between willful sins and non-willful sins, surely. And even with willful sins one has to "keep on" willfuly sinning to be an apostate, having fallen away into a lifestyle of sin. Let's say someone hits their thumb with a hammer and inadvertently uses a swear word, have they fallen away from the faith? That is hard to fathom. Sister talk about apples and oranges . Rest assured if an accident has ever slipped out of the mouth of a lamb , IT gets convicted . and it repents asap of that . . Our mission is to remind the church to GO and sin no more , and if one does err , confess and repent . This is all we need to do . just keep it that simple . Sister . you gotta sound like paul , so do i , or like JESUS , or like john or peter , or jude . I never seen scenarios from them , THEY just simply remind TO DO and NOT TO DO . we must too .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 23, 2020 20:56:54 GMT -5
There are two depths . ONE draws us closer to JESUS , the other buries us in our own pit . How deep do i want to GO ................the depth that reaches heaven by the SIMPLICITY OF JESUS not the depth of our mind which digs our own pit wherein we bury ourselves . If our depth is not the depth the apostels had , we are digging our own hole . rest assured paul and the apostels were well advanced in the depths of the LORD which ascends the heart into the heavenly realm . Peter himself said , WE have the more SURE WORD of prophecy CHURCH . NEVER let the last days prophets fool us . AND WOE THEY DO TRY . never let our minds decieve us , and WOE IT WILL TRY . IF any approach towards SIN and error has not this ring , LET IT NOT BE ONCE NAMED , IT COMETH NOT OF GOD . THEMS apostels KNEW JESUS . LET US KNOW what THEY TAUGHT WELL . our minds can indeed be our own enemy . Let us ponder on this simplicty . And let us be encouraged IN THE KING . Then you are rejecting the scriptures I posted. The Spirit can be grieved but it takes a consistent lifestyle of willful sin for Him to depart a person, and that is when they are fallen away from the faith, not when He is still with them, if they have made a single mistake here or there along the way, and especially if it was inadvertent or committed out of ignorance. I believe He is more longsuffering than some seem to think, brother. And that doesn't mean I take sin lightly, so please don't misunderstand. I'm just saying as regards to someone having fallen away from the faith, well I think that is up to the Holy Spirit whether He chooses to depart a person or not or at what point, etc. Regarding the apostles, their teachings form the foundation and then we are to build (higher, deeper) on it. Going on to perfection....growing in the spirit and in understanding and in the knowledge of God. Many things to be uttered but they couldn't bear them yet. The bible is a big and deep treasure trove. It needs to be mined and we pay a price to mine it...as we "buy" the truth, amen. Lots to meditate on, a biblical thing to do. I already know part of what you are saying . God is longsuffering or i would have been condemeded the moment i made an error . But we must appraoch all sin the way they did . ITS dangerous sister . SIN can and it sure will harden a heart . THUS if we see any of the brethren in any sin , we do exactly as JESUS and the Apostels commanded . Look first at JESUS . We see him heal forgive a lady , yet warned her , SIN NO MORE lest something even worse come upon you . Just as he told the man who he also healed . Our approach to sin must be grave and serious when we see one in error . Move fast to correct . IF any does err from the truth , WE must move fast to ensure they are warned to repent . And it sure worked in pauls time . IT works in this time too .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 23, 2020 21:09:48 GMT -5
You have a point there, but there is no way to know if that applies to all sins or just some and where the line is. For instance, one time of blasphemy of the Holy Ghost and there is no hope. One time taking the mark of the beast, and you are doomed. There are sins unto death and sins not unto death and willful sins and mistakes. You can be in sin and not realize it, bringing correction (chastisement).
The way I was taught to think about salvation might even be wrong.
In 1 Peter 1, salvation is mentioned twice.
Today, we tend to think of salvation as the beginning of faith. You convert to Jesus, and you're saved! But obtaining salvation in 1Peter 1:9 is seen as the end faith. I think perhaps it's both.
There's faith first, causing spiritual rebirth. But then you have to walk in fear, working out your salvation carefully. Then you receive your inheritance at the end, including the salvation of your soul.
Maybe it's hard for us to imagine us losing salvation easily because were taught that we obtain it the moment were converted and not after a lifetime of walking in the fear of God.
If it were hard to be disqualified, then there would be no need to warn that the path to life is Narrow and that the righteous are scarcely saved.
You might almost think about it like a spiritual rebirth is an amazing miracle, but a baby is still vulnerable to attack and helpless. That baby has to make it to spiritual adulthood. To learn to walk and run the race set before him.
Now does that mean that every willful sin disqualifies us? That, I'm not so sure of.
For we are made partakers of CHRIST , IF , IF we hold fast our confidence to the END . JESUS said , For he who endures to THE END , the same shall be SAVED . GUESS WHO HE said that too , HIS OWN DESCIPLES , known as the APOSTELS . YOUR right sister . no crown awaits any who takes off HEEDING HE who speaks from heaven . FOR NOW is your SALVATION NEARER than when ye first beleived . As for sin . all we need to do is say it as did JESUS and Paul , james and others . DO NOT ERR my beloved brethren . IF one does , we correct them . Ye who are spiritual RESTORE such a one . IF the first time we ever erred made it too late . THEN why did paul say to welcome that man back into the church . The fornicator , who had his fathers wife . WELL , cause he had repented is why . IF we do err , we have an advocate , WE confess and repent . FOR we have an advocate who is faithful and just to forgive us . IF WE CONFESS our faults , John says , HE IS faithful and just to forgive us . And beleive me , worry not overmuch on this . IF we err, GOD lets us KNOW we err , BELEIVE ME on that one SISTER . HE convictes us of what we need to repent of . We just need to heed HIS voice and repent . BUT he will WARN us . FOR THE SPIRIT giveth no rest to a lamb who is in error , LEST it repent . And i know that AS a fact TOO . Let us not overworry on this . But let us keep the reminders as they kept the reminders . You are loved sister . If i see error , i dont condmen , BUT i do correct it , in hopes they will hear and repent . AND sadly often its rejected but sometimes its heard . Let us have the peace of JESUS CHRIST . GOD IS WITH US , if one errs , confess and forsake it . AND being the SPIRIT is with us , it often lets know if one is in error . I Seen this too sister . A lady who claimed to know JESUS used to come to my workplace . Guess what , on one certain day she came in . GUESS what , by grace i was led to tell her . I said have you been messing with tarot cards , SHE FROZE IN HER TRACKS and asked HOW On earth did you know that . YEAH , i rebuked her too and said to cease it asap . GOD lets us know things for the sake of others . THAT DOES happen . SO we have all we need IN HIM SISTER . AND HE looks out for us . AND he will send one to us , if we need to be corrected , just as HE also convicts us as well .
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Post by John on Aug 24, 2020 4:36:39 GMT -5
There is one thing I wanted to add to this concerning Jesus' warning to Peter before the denial. It is from Luke 22:31-32
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Notice that Jesus tells Peter that a time will come where he will be converted. Jesus knows the end of all things. He knew Peter would deny Him, and that at that time, his heart was not right, but He also knew that in the end, Peter would be converted.
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