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Post by John on Sept 21, 2019 22:57:41 GMT -5
What are you feeling now? Do you believe you committed the unpardonable sin? If you can be saved, do you want to be saved? You read an awful book that caused you to return to Christ. What was your reason for returning to the Lord? Was it out of fear or was it because you wanted to be saved? I feel like there are pieces to this puzzle I am not seeing. I want to see you saved and at peace. The last thing I am looking to do is condemn you, and I have never come across anyone that genuinely wanted to be saved that has ever been guilty of committing the unpardonable sin. When a person commits that sin, the Spirit departs from them, and you wouldn't have any concern about being saved. That is why I need to know, if you can be saved right now and know you are saved, do you want to be saved? Are you desiring to serve the Lord from this day forward?
I really dont want to commit the unpardonable sin but I keeping coming back to what Jesus says and like you, I believe him... I do want to be save Okay I wanted to turn my life around and repent and be saved and it started with the awful book when I realize I needed Christ back in my life... yes I do want to serve the Lord but I'm struggling to be honest... bc of what the scriptures stated my only hope is it's not a one time mistake.... Then what you need to do is call on the Lord and tell him you want to be saved, but you have this fear that you committed the unpardonable sin. Tell him that you didn't understand the seriousness of what you said, and ask Him to forgive you and save you. Ask Him to give you assurance that you have been forgiven and saved. Promise that you will turn from sin and do your best to follow Him from this day forward.
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Post by godspeople on Sept 21, 2019 23:28:25 GMT -5
God bless everybody I hope and pray that everyone giving advice it's led by the spirit and not what they believe it's very important to be led by the spirit and giving advice to God's people I see that everybody's asking questions about the Bible or about their life how is it that we get a response so quickly unless you pray before we visit this forum
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Post by godspeople on Sept 21, 2019 23:35:23 GMT -5
I know that we want to do the best for everyone that believes in God or who wants to come to God that's because we have the love of Christ so let us ask God to help his people get an understanding about whats happening in their life or about the word of God
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Post by John on Sept 21, 2019 23:45:29 GMT -5
God bless everybody I hope and pray that everyone giving advice it's led by the spirit and not what they believe it's very important to be led by the spirit and giving advice to God's people I see that everybody's asking questions about the Bible or about their life how is it that we get a response so quickly unless you pray before we visit this forum Hello and welcome godspeople. I certainly try to be led by God's Spirit. My beliefs on blasphemy against the Holy Spirit are based on study of the Bible, but advise to take your concerns to God is something I would give to anyone who is troubled. Prayer is just having a conversation with God. Some people look at it as something you have to do in some formal way on your knees. While there is a time for that, most of the time, prayer is just having a conversation with the Lord, sharing your feelings with God.
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Post by 777 on Sept 22, 2019 20:36:11 GMT -5
What are you feeling now? Do you believe you committed the unpardonable sin? If you can be saved, do you want to be saved? You read an awful book that caused you to return to Christ. What was your reason for returning to the Lord? Was it out of fear or was it because you wanted to be saved? I feel like there are pieces to this puzzle I am not seeing. I want to see you saved and at peace. The last thing I am looking to do is condemn you, and I have never come across anyone that genuinely wanted to be saved that has ever been guilty of committing the unpardonable sin. When a person commits that sin, the Spirit departs from them, and you wouldn't have any concern about being saved. That is why I need to know, if you can be saved right now and know you are saved, do you want to be saved? Are you desiring to serve the Lord from this day forward?
I really dont want to commit the unpardonable sin but I keeping coming back to what Jesus says and like you, I believe him... I do want to be save Okay I wanted to turn my life around and repent and be saved and it started with the awful book when I realize I needed Christ back in my life... yes I do want to serve the Lord but I'm struggling to be honest... bc of what the scriptures stated my only hope is it's not a one time mistake.... If the Lord is dealing with you to return to him, I believe there is still hope.
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Post by John on Sept 23, 2019 6:15:05 GMT -5
knohope , please keep us updated on how you are doing? We do all care. This is not just a question over doctrine to us, though it may sometimes come across like that. We are just trying to answer you as honestly as we can. I hope and pray that the Lord will grant you forgiveness and peace of mind. I would love to see you at the place where you know that you know you are saved, and you can change that name from knohope to Blessed Assurance or something like that. God bless you sister.
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Post by John on Sept 24, 2019 11:27:40 GMT -5
Just so you all know, I didn't cut off all discussion of this topic. This thread remains open for now.
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Post by solid on Sept 24, 2019 12:05:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure what is left to say. Look at what was happening when Jesus mentioned this sin and look at his words. They said he was casting out devils by beelzebub, when it was the Holy Spirit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 12:18:17 GMT -5
I don't have specific revelation about what Jesus said regarding blaspheming the Holy Spirit....but I do understand that truth does not contradict other truth. For all we know there might be another sense for the word forgive there....in the sense that they will suffer consequences for it regardless of if they are penitent, but not meaning that they will go to perdition. IF someone is truly repentant and contrite I don't see how it is possible the Lord would not forgive them based on so many scriptures. I think I understand what some are saying...how can someone go to hell when they have truly repented....it is an oxymoron. I believe we should humbly consider that there might be more to that verse than meets the eye and we should seek the Lord for understanding before making a decisive judgment about it. I imagine there would be serious consequences for robbing someone of hope too, so we would be wise to tread carefully.
Psa 51:16-17 You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.
Isa 57:15-16 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
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Post by John on Sept 24, 2019 12:24:49 GMT -5
I agree with you about not robbing people of hope. My advise has been that if anyone fears they committed that sin, they should seek God till they have peace about it. If they feel God has forgiven them, I would never say it isn't so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 13:31:34 GMT -5
knohope , please keep us updated on how you are doing? We do all care. This is not just a question over doctrine to us, though it may sometimes come across like that. We are just trying to answer you as honestly as we can. I hope and pray that the Lord will grant you forgiveness and peace of mind. I would love to see you at the place where you know that you know you are saved, and you can change that name from knohope to Blessed Assurance or something like that. God bless you sister.
Interesting, because "knohope" is what we always get from eating of the wrong tree (KNOwledge of Good & Evil....carnal mind....law). I "kno" because it happens to me sometimes too. I pray she will be encouraged, comforted and restored to hope and peace in the Lord, the Tree of LIFE.
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Post by sbuckle1 on Dec 22, 2019 15:37:09 GMT -5
I have posted on a couple other forums about what I am experiencing. I got excited about the gospel at a young age and got baptized, thought I was saved. I was a nasty teenager. I treated my mom and brother horribly. I got into sexual sin in my teens and lived just like the world, while thinking I was saved. I got back into church in my 20s, and knocked off the sexual sin for a time, but got back into it. I read a John Piper article about a year and a half ago after some disturbance that there might be more to being a Christian than I thought, and now I realize that I was a false believer (i.e. not at all) and that I was unsaved. I have read extensively about Hebrews 6, the unpardonable sin, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, etc. I have little to no hope that I can be saved or that I even want to be saved. I'm more concerned about my children at this point, that I will not be able to lead them to Christ, and they may suffer for what I did. I lied to myself about being a Christian, I lied to my wife about my sexual past, and now there are three children that are here because of my sin. I don't know that even if you pray for me, that God would even honor it because of my motives behind posting here. I feel certain that I have committed this sin. I could only wish that it was only that I said something stupid.
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Post by Dezi on Dec 22, 2019 17:47:45 GMT -5
I have posted on a couple other forums about what I am experiencing. I got excited about the gospel at a young age and got baptized, thought I was saved. I was a nasty teenager. I treated my mom and brother horribly. I got into sexual sin in my teens and lived just like the world, while thinking I was saved. I got back into church in my 20s, and knocked off the sexual sin for a time, but got back into it. I read a John Piper article about a year and a half ago after some disturbance that there might be more to being a Christian than I thought, and now I realize that I was a false believer (i.e. not at all) and that I was unsaved. I have read extensively about Hebrews 6, the unpardonable sin, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, etc. I have little to no hope that I can be saved or that I even want to be saved. I'm more concerned about my children at this point, that I will not be able to lead them to Christ, and they may suffer for what I did. I lied to myself about being a Christian, I lied to my wife about my sexual past, and now there are three children that are here because of my sin. I don't know that even if you pray for me, that God would even honor it because of my motives behind posting here. I feel certain that I have committed this sin. I could only wish that it was only that I said something stupid. I read this several times and I have not seen yet where you think you've committed the unpardonable sin... could you explain what you did that would be unpardonable? Did you speak against the Holy Spirit?
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Post by John on Dec 22, 2019 19:36:17 GMT -5
I have posted on a couple other forums about what I am experiencing. I got excited about the gospel at a young age and got baptized, thought I was saved. I was a nasty teenager. I treated my mom and brother horribly. I got into sexual sin in my teens and lived just like the world, while thinking I was saved. I got back into church in my 20s, and knocked off the sexual sin for a time, but got back into it. I read a John Piper article about a year and a half ago after some disturbance that there might be more to being a Christian than I thought, and now I realize that I was a false believer (i.e. not at all) and that I was unsaved. I have read extensively about Hebrews 6, the unpardonable sin, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, etc. I have little to no hope that I can be saved or that I even want to be saved. I'm more concerned about my children at this point, that I will not be able to lead them to Christ, and they may suffer for what I did. I lied to myself about being a Christian, I lied to my wife about my sexual past, and now there are three children that are here because of my sin. I don't know that even if you pray for me, that God would even honor it because of my motives behind posting here. I feel certain that I have committed this sin. I could only wish that it was only that I said something stupid. First of all, welcome to Narrow Way Forums. You say you have read extensively about the unpardonable sin in Hebrews chapter 6? Hebrews chapter 6 doesn't mention the unpardonable sin. Jesus Christ mentions the unpardonable sin, which is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost or speaking against the Holy Ghost. It is not thinking you were saved, while living in sin.
I think it is wonderful that you love your children and want them to be saved. I see nothing wrong in your motives being that your children be saved. That matters! You have said that you were not really saved. you were not once enlightened. You did not taste the heavenly gift. You were not made a partaker of the Holy Ghost. You did not taste the good word of God. You did not experience the powers of the world to come. I am just going by what you said. You were not really saved.
Now, lets suppose you had been saved, but returned to sin. There is a point in time where you can fall away to the place where you can't be restored, but that is because God no longer deals with you, not because God wouldn't forgive you. 1 John 1:9 says...
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
All you have to do to be saved is to confess your sins to God, just as you have confessed them to us, and ask him to forgive you, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and go and sin no more. That is, if you want to be saved. I can't think of any reason you wouldn't want to be saved? It means not having to spend eternity in hell. It means being able to raise you children up as Christians so they won't have to spend eternity in hell. Very few people have committed the unpardonable sin, and I do not think you have. If you want to discuss this further, I will be happy to, but my advise to you is to confess your sins to Christ now, stop sinning and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
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Post by Jesus Christ teachings on Dec 22, 2019 20:09:12 GMT -5
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Matthew 11:28-30
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