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Post by Sister on May 7, 2018 8:22:18 GMT -5
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Love the way you said that, I couldn't of said it better. You are a blessing.
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Post by John on May 7, 2018 8:32:21 GMT -5
To be born again simply means we come to a place where we make a decision to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. As a result of that decision, God supernaturally makes a change on the inside of us. The old, sinful self, dies, and we are born again. The old man was born with the original stain of sin that took place in the garden when Adam transgressed. Nobody can enter heaven with stain on their spiritual garments. The remedy is the new birth. God make this change, as we receive a spiritual blood transfusion. We go from being children of the first Adam to being children of the second Adam, thus, born again. The term "born again" is not a man-made phrase. It is something Jesus said must occur for us to be saved.
Baptism is an outward sign of the new birth. The old man dies, and is buried in baptism. The new man, who is born again, comes up out of the water. It is not that water baptism is the mechanism by which you were saved, but it is an important sign of what took place. It is something we can all see and recognize. It teaches us a lesson, is a word picture. I understand how there are restrictions on discussing different types of thought at different message boards, but that is a separate issue from questioning what the new birth means. They are two different topics.
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Post by frienduff on May 7, 2018 9:36:46 GMT -5
I’m with Light on this one. The Bible makes a clear distinction between Christians who are both “alive” and “awake” here in this life, and the wicked who are spiritually dead. We must come alive as spiritual creatures who can navigate spiritual environments today. Ultimate salvation from all peril comes later.
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Post by Sister on May 7, 2018 9:41:19 GMT -5
Thank you light for joining in. I am looking forward to hear some of your wisdom here. Look, I have always kept this subject to myself, and have never really expressed it on a forum like I have here, but it's something that has really bothered me inside and I am willing to discuss it openly now.I know that Christ has his sheep picked out from the beginning, and that no one can pluck them out of his hands,..... yes there are certain ones chosen from the beginning and Christ knows who they are. The problem I am having is us boasting about it before the Judge reveals who really belongs to him, because talk is cheap, and I see it as a form of us glorifying ourselves when we should be glorifying Christ. We all want salvation, I want this so bad also, but I do take my salvation with fear and trembling, for if not, I may become too complacent,...too sure of myself, and then become proud. Luke 14:7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them, Luke 14:8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; Luke 14:9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. Luke 14:10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee. Luke 14:11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Yes I agree.Ok, good.Agreed Will take a look and go a bit further up;
Isaiah 66:5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
Isaiah 66:6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Isaiah 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
Yes I can see how that that maybe possible from what it's saying,..Have to ponder on that a little more...good stuff.. but what I was pointing out here is the birth, out of Zion. The second birth. The majority will be in that also, and all born in one day together.Agreed the labour pains in Isaiah 66 is the tribulation. Do not agree the 144,000 are Jews. We can go into that later, and I can show you why. I know it says they are "the children" of the tribes of Israel, but there is more to it. Later.
Ok, you see it as an error. Let me put it like this, ...what is Jesus speaking about? Being "born....again" = being "born" the second time. He explained what he was talking about in verse 5, which is why I gave the scripture after that of Jesus saying that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,...we must be "born" spirit before we can enter. Born again. He's not talking about the renewing of the mind here, or being saved or chosen, just the process. That's what I see anyway. To me it's clear.John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. There is so much wisdom here, thank you. I will ponder.
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Post by frienduff on May 7, 2018 9:43:20 GMT -5
Amen sister . We are saved by His grace . The thing is let none be highminded for if we continue not IN CHRIST , not in the goodness of GOD we can be cast out . You know this sister . I think its the latter part that just terrifies people to death so they run to OSAS doctrine . But the thing is , JESUS don't desire us to perish . its just if we don't continue to follow the ONE who saved us, if we don't continue in Christ THEN HOW IS it possible to end up saved . JESUS came to SHEW US the WAY and HE IS the way. IF even in the natural a man comes and pulls his child out of the mud pit , cleans him up and says FOLLOW ME if that child don't follow his father , NOW HOW is he going to be kept safe , NO if he does not follow the one that saved him TO THE END he ends up lost in the mudpit again . We must follow the ONE WHO SAVED and KEEPS us to the end . THE WAY , IS THE WAY and JESUS IS THE WAY . This is where OSAS messes things up. OSAS should be called Once we saved we always saved SO LONG as we continue IN THE ONE WHO DID save us .
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Post by frienduff on May 7, 2018 9:47:36 GMT -5
To be born again simply means we come to a place where we make a decision to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. As a result of that decision, God supernaturally makes a change on the inside of us. The old, sinful self, dies, and we are born again. The old man was born with the original stain of sin that took place in the garden when Adam transgressed. Nobody can enter heaven with stain on their spiritual garments. The remedy is the new birth. God make this change, as we receive a spiritual blood transfusion. We go from being children of the first Adam to being children of the second Adam, thus, born again. The term "born again" is not a man-made phrase. It is something Jesus said must occur for us to be saved. Baptism is an outward sign of the new birth. The old man dies, and is buried in baptism. The new man, who is born again, comes up out of the water. It is not that water baptism is the mechanism by which you were saved, but it is an important sign of what took place. It is something we can all see and recognize. It teaches us a lesson, is a word picture. I understand how there are restrictions on discussing different types of thought at different message boards, but that is a separate issue from questioning what the new birth means. They are two different topics.
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Post by frienduff on May 7, 2018 10:01:11 GMT -5
Butero throw those hands up and praise the LORD . And all is By HIS grace . Let each one remember HOW all took place. We were not looking for Christ at one time . We were all in darkness. Then one day we got an unction . a stirring within . This is how it happened for all of us . Let me give my example . On may thirtieth of two thousand six started out just the same as every day before had I was a wicked beast living in all sin . Then later that afternoon something stirred in my conscious , Something took hold within my innermost being and put that unction of searching IN MY HEART . IT was GRACE from the get go . My flesh was not the one saying SEEK GOD IT WAS GOD doing that within me . OH yes , IT IS SOLEY by grace we are saved and not a one of us can boast that we saved ourselves . For if GOD took HIS HOLY SPIRIT from anyone of us , WOULD we still have that desire . NO , NO we would not . Our part is to OBEY the unctions of the SPIRIT . The SPIRIT can be quenched , SIN does harden a heart . Its why we should read our bibles and LEARN . JESUS , every word HE said was for our GOOD , every word GOD said is for our good . KNOWN unto GOD are all things . HE knows SIN will take away the heart , Therefore He gave instruction on what to avoid , what to do and the SPIRIT itself bears witness WITH the THINGS that GOD has said . We labor , yet not us , but the grace of GOD that is within us , HOWEVER if we don't obey HIS SPIRIT we wont make it . I think many don't grasp the truly simple truth . THAT GOD does not desire us to perish, BUT THAT WE WILL, IF we don't HEED the one who saved and keeps us . This is where most cannot see simple truth anymore , and they take a false sense of security under mens doctrines INSTEAD of a TRUE SECURITY UNDER GODS DOCTRINE . WE live BY the SPIRIT and we KEEP those sayings , ITS LIFE and its MEAT to the soul for all who do so. Its very simple , truly it is . We are saved soley and kept soley by the grace of GOD , but if we don't OBEY THAT , WE WONT MAKE IT . FOLLOW THE ONE WHO SAVES and HEED HIS UNCTIONS and we would never fall , we wont . But if we heed the flesh , taking our eyes OFF the ONE WHO SAVED US we enter into all out danger and on that path wont make it . THUS we must pull any out of error and pray they are restored . We must make sure our election , FOR if we do these things we will NEVER FALL. AKA, OBEY HIS SPIRIT , KEEP the pattern THE EARLY CHURCH who REALLY DID KNOW HIM , kept and taught . THIER IS a reason its said that JESUS and the apostels are the foundation , AND THAT JESUS HIMSELF is the CORNER STONE from which all are laid . We must , more than ever, DIG DEEP into that bible and keep reading and learn well THIER PATTERN. A massive delusion has began , OH my butero IS HAS BEGAN and its taking captive many and will take captive all who reject the lamb all who even came and tasted but continue NOT IN HIM. BUTERO, I warn us all, this delusion IS A MONSTER that is sucking all right into its mouth , which it has opened WIDE as WIDE can get . I never seen anything like this delusion .
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 10:45:43 GMT -5
Bless you Sister, how I love that about our God too 😊…and not to take the thread off topic but just to give a few more examples of that to enjoy:
- where it says in Isa 40, and John the Baptist about every valley being raised up and every mountain and hill made low, is not to demote any but to equalize all. - the prodigal son being given a feast and ring and robe was to lift him back up to equal standing with the faithful son, not to play favourites or elevate him over him. - those who only laboured in the vineyard for the last hour given the same wages as those who worked longer - who are forgiven much love much…those who sinned worse are given more grace to equalize them with those who sinned less - and then to whom much is given much is required, assume that to whom less is given less is required - teachers are judged more strictly than those who are not teachers - and so our offering is accepted on the basis of what we do have, and not according to what we don’t have
How wonderful that the Lord doesn’t treat us as we deserve….He is so GREAT in mercy! And just to add, the word judgment in many places in the bible means equity/fairness…...the English language is not really adequate sometimes to express the nuances of spiritual truth.
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Post by tlsitd on May 7, 2018 10:49:53 GMT -5
But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to His own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. (Titus 3:4-8)
(We aren't saved by works, but we are expected to obey God after being saved; and there are serious consequences for not doing so. There can be no good works without the foundation of Christ, which is by God's grace, through faith, and the gift of God. We must have that first. And the good works that God desires and prepared us to do is obeying His New Testament commandments, and doing His will for us individually. Disobedient, unfruitful saints are in danger of being broken off of Christ and disinherited. Our names are in the book of life by God's sovereign choice and mercy; but they can be blotted out of it. Until we die, we have the choice of whether to remain in Christ or not by what we do. Unsaved people have no such choice.)
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who lives in you.
So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. (Romans 8:9-13)
(That's eternal death---the lake of fire---the punishment for those who serve the flesh, vs eternal life---the reward for obeying and remaining faithful to Christ to the end of our course after coming to be in Him.)
And not only the creation (unsaved people, mankind in general) but we ourselves (Christians), who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. (Romans 8:23-25)
(This is referring to people who are saved waiting for perfection, not unsaved people waiting for salvation. Christians are not waiting to be saved, in the sense of receiving eternal life (which we receive when we are born again, and have so long as we keep it), but to be perfected. And those of us who remain on earth during the tribulation will also be waiting to be delivered from the wrath of God that will destroy this earth by fire, when Christ returns:
...So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him. (Hebrews 9:28))
(This verse is not referring to salvation in the spiritual sense, but in the physical sense: Being rescued from the fate of this world when Jesus returns---provided we are still in Him at that time. Otherwise, we will fare the same as those who have never known Him.
For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw---each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Corinthians 3:11-15))
And now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears we may have confidence and not shrink from Him in shame at His coming. (1 John 2:28)
Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who thus hopes in Him purifies himself as He is pure. (1 John 3:2,3)
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 10:56:23 GMT -5
<< The problem I am having is us boasting about it before the Judge reveals who really belongs to him, because talk is cheap, and I see it as a form of us glorifying ourselves when we should be glorifying Christ. We all want salvation, I want this so bad also, but I do take my salvation with fear and trembling, for if not, I may become too complacent,...too sure of myself, and then become proud. >>
Praise the Lord, what a lovely attitude to have, I fully agree.
And Jesus said they would know us by our fruits and by our love for one another, not by the names or labels that we might presume to call ourselves with....that can actually be religiosity and kind of an "us and them" mentality....pride.
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Post by tlsitd on May 7, 2018 12:16:57 GMT -5
Thank you light for joining in. I am looking forward to hear some of your wisdom here. Look, I have always kept this subject to myself, and have never really expressed it on a forum like I have here, but it's something that has really bothered me inside and I am willing to discuss it openly now.I know that Christ has his sheep picked out from the beginning, and that no one can pluck them out of his hands,..... yes there are certain ones chosen from the beginning and Christ knows who they are. The problem I am having is us boasting about it before the Judge reveals who really belongs to him, because talk is cheap, and I see it as a form of us glorifying ourselves when we should be glorifying Christ. We all want salvation, I want this so bad also, but I do take my salvation with fear and trembling, for if not, I may become too complacent,...too sure of myself, and then become proud.There is nothing proud about being confident of one's salvation in the sense of knowing that one is saved. God Himself wants us to know that and to rejoice in the knowledge. Indeed, all Christians should know this for themselves. If they do not have that confidence---that if they were to die in the next minute they would go to heaven, and they are fearful of death---it's highly questionable whether they have actually been born again. (It is possible however, that they are just nervous Christians who are confused, anxious, and fretting needlessly.)
Now that is not the same as being foolishly confident about one's eternal security in Christ being unconditional, as some believe and trust. We are not unconditionally secure in Christ, in the sense that we can do whatever we please without having to worry about forfeiting our salvation, because Jesus will never leave us nor forsake us, and no one can snatch us out of His hand, etc., etc. Those things are true, but they do not mean that we ourselves can't do anything to not remain in Christ, or that we can't forsake Him. We most certainly can. And if we forsake Him, He will forsake us---as He was about to do to the Christians in the church in Ephesus, whom He rebuked, in the Revelation, for leaving their first love (Him), and for having imperfect love for Him. (And as we know, the love of God is to keep His commandments---His New Testament commandments---all of them, and not just the ones we feel like keeping as it suits us. Partial obedience to what we know we have been commanded is just disobedience, and rebellion. And that is no more acceptable or pleasing to God now than it was when He rebuked King Saul for it through the prophet Samuel, and no less serious now than it was then---unfortunately for the blithe majority of Christians...)
(Let any man who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.)
Even Paul didn't believe that if he didn't continue in obedience to the Lord that he would receive the prize of eternal life. He knew he could be disqualified. And the Scriptures clearly teach that Christians have a choice to remain in Jesus and to keep their salvation, or not, after being saved. Being saved doesn't guarantee staying saved no matter what you do. THAT is foolish confidence. And, unfortunately, it is a confidence that many have, which God never intended for us to have---based on a misunderstanding of the Scriptures and also taking certain verses out of the greater context of the teachings of the New Testament.
So yes, I do have absolute confidence in my salvation, because I know that the Spirit of Christ lives in me, and that I love the Lord and am doing His will to the best of my knowledge, and my conscience is clear toward Him. I am not afraid of death, but looking forward to it, just as the apostle Paul was, and as all Christians should be.
Yes, and I will rejoice, for I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance, as it is my eager expectation and hope that I will not be at all ashamed, but that with full courage now as always Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or by death.
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. (Philippians 1:18-23)
(Does that sound like the attitude of a man who was unsure of his salvation?) Agreed the labour pains in Isaiah 66 is the tribulation. Do not agree the 144,000 are Jews. We can go into that later, and I can show you why. I know it says they are "the children" of the tribes of Israel, but there is more to it. Later.
Well, the Scriptures are quite plain about who the 144,000 are, and it's not symbolic. There are plenty of things in the Revelation that are symbolic; the 144,000 are not one of them. They are actual men, and they are actual Jews, from the twelve tribes of Israel, just as the Bible says. There isn't anything more to this particular subject, as far as their identity is concerned. The literal interpretation is the correct interpretation in this case. (Not being proud here, just stating a fact that I know.) So if you, or others, believe that they are something else, you are mistaken. That is something that the Lord will have to clarify for you. (I will add that the seal of God on their foreheads is figurative language, symbolic of their being sealed with the Holy Spirit, that is, being born again/saved---and not a physical mark on the forehead, as the mark of the beast will be.)Ok, you see it as an error. Let me put it like this, ...what is Jesus speaking about? Being "born....again" = being "born" the second time. He explained what he was talking about in verse 5, which is why I gave the scripture after that of Jesus saying that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,...we must be "born" spirit before we can enter. Born again. He's not talking about the renewing of the mind here, or being saved or chosen, just the process. That's what I see anyway. To me it's clear.I think I explained this the best that I could in my original response. Being born again means being spiritually regenerated by the Spirit of God coming to live in you. It's not a process, but instantaneous; and with it comes eternal life. Practical sanctification after being born again is a lifelong process, but not spiritual conversion. If someone has been born again, he or she will go to heaven when he or she dies, provided he or she remains in Christ after being saved. A person who was born again/saved on his or her deathbed would go to heaven if he or she died the next moment. Those of us who are not saved just before death have time to determine (by our choices) whether we will remain in Christ or not.
I hope you find this helpful, and that the Lord gives you whatever understanding you may need of Him, so that you may know with certainty what is correct.
By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our hearts before Him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and He knows everything. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do what pleases Him.
And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as He has commanded us. Whoever keeps His commandments (all of them, not just these---per the greater context of the rest of the New Testament) abides in Him, and He in them. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. (1 John 3:19-24)
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Post by PG4Him on May 7, 2018 12:31:38 GMT -5
Let us consider how Jude described apostate Christians in verse 12: “autumn trees without fruit, twice dead...”
Christians are born as spiritual creatures upon the moment of their conversion. They are citizens of a heavenly kingdom already. If they starve and abuse this inner spiritual person, it can die, and then there’s no “Plan B” path to salvation. So the wicked are dead in their sins, Christians are spiritually alive, and a Christian who kills his spirit self is twice dead.
All of this was presented by the apostles in present tense. It isn’t about a collective resurrection many years from now.
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Post by frienduff on May 7, 2018 15:46:32 GMT -5
But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to His own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. (Titus 3:4-8) (We aren't saved by works, but we are expected to obey God after being saved; and there are serious consequences for not doing so. There can be no good works without the foundation of Christ, which is by God's grace, through faith, and the gift of God. We must have that first. And the good works that God desires and prepared us to do is obeying His New Testament commandments, and doing His will for us individually. Disobedient, unfruitful saints are in danger of being broken off of Christ and disinherited. Our names are in the book of life by God's sovereign choice and mercy; but they can be blotted out of it. Until we die, we have the choice of whether to remain in Christ or not by what we do. Unsaved people have no such choice.) You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who lives in you. So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. (Romans 8:9-13) (That's eternal death---the lake of fire---the punishment for those who serve the flesh, vs eternal life---the reward for obeying and remaining faithful to Christ to the end of our course after coming to be in Him.) And not only the creation (unsaved people, mankind in general) but we ourselves (Christians), who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. (Romans 8:23-25) (This is referring to people who are saved waiting for perfection, not unsaved people waiting for salvation. Christians are not waiting to be saved, in the sense of receiving eternal life (which we receive when we are born again, and have so long as we keep it), but to be perfected. And those of us who remain on earth during the tribulation will also be waiting to be delivered from the wrath of God that will destroy this earth by fire, when Christ returns: ...So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him. (Hebrews 9:28)) (This verse is not referring to salvation in the spiritual sense, but in the physical sense: Being rescued from the fate of this world when Jesus returns---provided we are still in Him at that time. Otherwise, we will fare the same as those who have never known Him. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw---each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)) And now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears we may have confidence and not shrink from Him in shame at His coming. (1 John 2:28) Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who thus hopes in Him purifies himself as He is pure. (1 John 3:2,3)
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Post by frienduff on May 7, 2018 15:51:19 GMT -5
This verse is not referring to salvation in the spiritual sense, but in the physical sense: Being rescued from the fate of this world when Jesus returns---provided we are still in Him at that time. Otherwise, we will fare the same as those who have never known Him. Everything sister lights said is true . but I want us to examine this part . ACTUALLY its far worse to have known him AND THEN RETURN to the pit
the latter end is WORSE . its why its high time to kick those men of belial out of the way and HEED only that bible . The early church was not a church that gathered for unitys sake . OH NO . OH NO NO . and TRIPLE NO . unity for unity sake is vain of vanities . UNITY with those WHO LOVE JESUS ONLY , IS GAIN all else is vain . Now the early church taught something that all inclusive WONT DO. IT says quite clearly YA MARK those who cuase divisions and don't keep with sound doctrine YA MARK THEM AND YOU AVOID THEM . UNITY move of today IS OF SATAN . the true unity only gathers with those OF THE SAME MIND OF THE COMMON FAITH . Say it with me . UNITY for the sake OF UNITY is of satan . we cannot be unequally yoked . Unity with those whose LOVE IS JESUS ONLY , IS GREAT GAIN all else is vain . Lets say that about ten , twenty a thousand times or till it sinks in deep.
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Post by frienduff on May 7, 2018 15:57:02 GMT -5
As we can see , I got no love or desire for this false all inclusive unity . it is of satan , I will identifty it as such and we must NOT suffer the people to be deceived by this JEZEBEL SPIRIT OF ROME who is doing all to gather all under her . OR be told , I have this against you , YOU ALLOW that JEZEBEL ROME and others to teach and to seduce the churches REPENT or else . AND all inclusive hug folks seem to think I am in error for warning out . NO , THEY IN ERROR and the blood of all they helped usher into this LIE WILL BE ON THEM and on that day they will hear I NEVER KNEW YOU , You allowed muslims to feel saved as A MUSLIM , you allowed others to FEEL saved in whatever religion or mindset they were . AWAY with you , who taught some other plan of salvation . THEY WILL BE TOLD THIS, ALL will who enter this convent of death . WE must exhort and we must not allow people to be deceived into any mindset , teaching CONTRARY to JESUS . NOW , on this note , I want all to put those hands HIGH UP) in the AIR and say ONLY JESUS SAVES and JESUS ONLY SAVES and all else is but death .
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