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Post by PG4Him on May 1, 2019 14:25:57 GMT -5
I tend to be able to keep up with complicated things, but even I can’t figure out what Joseph is talking about.
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Post by PG4Him on May 1, 2019 14:35:16 GMT -5
Joseph are you merely saying that “church” is a bad word we shouldn’t apply to ekklesia? Or are you saying OT patriarchs like Abraham were not united with NT Christians?
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Post by joseph on May 1, 2019 17:07:29 GMT -5
Joseph are you merely saying that “church” is a bad word we shouldn’t apply to ekklesia? Or are you saying OT patriarchs like Abraham were not united with NT Christians? A "little" background: Remember "Tortured for Christ" ? (Richard Wurmbrand) Born Jewish, he rightly refused to join world wide christendom with all of its false teachings and false Jesus. Meanwhile, Yahuweh had plans for Wurmbrand. An old man in a mountain town in Europe somewhere, faithful and true, prayed "Father in heaven, send to me a Jew to convert to the Truth of Your Word and Messiah Yahushua, for I am too old to travel to go anywhere to find a Jew"...... Some time later, Wurmbrand ended up at this old man's door, and was welcome in , and the old man shared the TRUE JESUS, THE TRUE GOSPEL, from all Scripture, with Wurmbrand, and Wurmbrand rightly recognized the truth of MESSIAH YAHUSHUA from OT and from NT, and the true testimony of this old man as he spoke with Scripture, and of the old man's life. Wurmbrand thus repented of his sin and converted and was immersed in Yahushua's (Jesus') Name , and became a well-known servant of the Master Yahushua ministering to many Jews and gentiles with the True Gospel of Yahushua of Salvation from Scripture and walking in , empowered by , Yahuweh's Spirit. Wurmbrand pointed out in his testimony, that for centuries MANY Jews had rightly rejected Jesus !!! ---- NOT rejecting the Jesus of Truth, of Scripture, but rejecting the false 'Jesus' being used by worldwide christendom, a false gospel Jesus, a counterfeit Jesus and a false religion (that christendom was (and is worldwide) ) ... THAT 'christendom', THAT 'church' assemblage , THAT religion called 'church', has NOTHING to do with Jesus nor with the Ekklesia , ever. In fact, THAT world wide religion called christendom has slaughtered millions "in the name of god", as if doing god a favor..... That's just the tip of the iceberg..... but hopefully is the necessary part / point/ to understand , or rather to start to understand, why Ekklesia in the TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and in HEBREWS and in the APOCALYPSE is not referring to the church. (there IS a "GOOD" church, not apostate, and it also is not referred to by Ekklesia in the TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS nor in HEBREWS nor in the APOCALYPSE. That will be discussed later sometime if Yahuweh accomplishes this (allows, permits, causes, brings to pass) ) ......... it is not really complicated, but simple, but I'm not prepared to say much more at this time..... I'm not sure how to explain this, as no one in the past, as far as I remember, has asked about this.....
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Post by Sister on May 1, 2019 19:21:41 GMT -5
Joseph
How can we claim our prize before the race is over? Some get tired and drop out,....some go the wrong way, and some will make it to the finish line. To say I have won already before the race is over is cheating. It doesn't mean that we give up, but keep going. Keep going till we get there. This is what the spirit of God is constantly warning us. Once we reach the other side we can claim the prize. The prize is taking part in the resurrection of the saints. Born again of spirit, not flesh. Changed. A completely new creature. Not spirit wrapped in flesh, but spirit 100%.
Sister, I have to bow out from most conversations with you. I saw too much that is very far out in left field and don't know how to handle the controversy, in terms of time alone, and then in terms of how much is wrong and how far back (in this and other forum). It is overwhelming to me, how much is so contrary to all Scripture, not just from your own threads, but on all the forums. Piece by piece, post by post, as Yahuweh permits and guides and directs, I post, not to continually challenge nor to completely dismantle wrong teachings and doctrines that are in error, but just as a red flag to alert others of the dangers, Yahuweh Willing, posting for anyone and for everyone who loves the truth in Jesus and is called according to His Purpose.
Hi Joseph
You said this first about my post on the born again phrase;
In a fair world, if you rebut someone or accuse them of giving false doctrine, you show why they are wrong by giving scripture. That is how you warn the other sheep....that by what they are declaring is contrary to scripture and plainly wrong. If not others cannot learn by you and you are of no use when discussing issues of truth. But this is not a fair world is it?
This is a forum discussion board. Every body shares their wisdom so we that we can all learn from one another. Everyone is given something different by the Lord. If he has shown you something that he has not shown me, then I want to know about it. If I am wrong I want to be corrected. They accused Jesus of giving false doctrine also. Share your wisdom Joseph and speak plainly so all can understand. Don't expect others to defend you and explain on your behalf, but do the homework yourself. I promise you, you will get more benefit out of it, and this is how we come to the truth by analyzing everything taught to us, and seeking out if it's true or not. Let the Word of God be our judge.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 7:03:08 GMT -5
Joseph are you merely saying that “church” is a bad word we shouldn’t apply to ekklesia? Or are you saying OT patriarchs like Abraham were not united with NT Christians? A "little" background: Remember "Tortured for Christ" ? (Richard Wurmbrand) Born Jewish, he rightly refused to join world wide christendom with all of its false teachings and false Jesus. Meanwhile, Yahuweh had plans for Wurmbrand. An old man in a mountain town in Europe somewhere, faithful and true, prayed "Father in heaven, send to me a Jew to convert to the Truth of Your Word and Messiah Yahushua, for I am too old to travel to go anywhere to find a Jew"...... Some time later, Wurmbrand ended up at this old man's door, and was welcome in , and the old man shared the TRUE JESUS, THE TRUE GOSPEL, from all Scripture, with Wurmbrand, and Wurmbrand rightly recognized the truth of MESSIAH YAHUSHUA from OT and from NT, and the true testimony of this old man as he spoke with Scripture, and of the old man's life. Wurmbrand thus repented of his sin and converted and was immersed in Yahushua's (Jesus') Name , and became a well-known servant of the Master Yahushua ministering to many Jews and gentiles with the True Gospel of Yahushua of Salvation from Scripture and walking in , empowered by , Yahuweh's Spirit. Wurmbrand pointed out in his testimony, that for centuries MANY Jews had rightly rejected Jesus !!! ---- NOT rejecting the Jesus of Truth, of Scripture, but rejecting the false 'Jesus' being used by worldwide christendom, a false gospel Jesus, a counterfeit Jesus and a false religion (that christendom was (and is worldwide) ) ... THAT 'christendom', THAT 'church' assemblage , THAT religion called 'church', has NOTHING to do with Jesus nor with the Ekklesia , ever. In fact, THAT world wide religion called christendom has slaughtered millions "in the name of god", as if doing god a favor..... That's just the tip of the iceberg..... but hopefully is the necessary part / point/ to understand , or rather to start to understand, why Ekklesia in the TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and in HEBREWS and in the APOCALYPSE is not referring to the church. (there IS a "GOOD" church, not apostate, and it also is not referred to by Ekklesia in the TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS nor in HEBREWS nor in the APOCALYPSE. That will be discussed later sometime if Yahuweh accomplishes this (allows, permits, causes, brings to pass) ) ......... it is not really complicated, but simple, but I'm not prepared to say much more at this time..... I'm not sure how to explain this, as no one in the past, as far as I remember, has asked about this..... 1Co 10:11
Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.
Israel of the old testament scriptures were a living parable (ensample) of what the coming church would be like....the good, the bad, and the ugly, all written down for the church/ekklesia to see, to be instructed as well as warned by. Remember that Jesus (the Word made flesh) speaks to us in parables. Keep in mind that Judaism persecuted the early believers mercilessly as well. And that though they are loved for the sake of the patriarchs, they are still enemies for the gospel's sake. Sadly, yes they are, I've seen a little bit of it.....as do believing Jews in Israel today experience much worse....livelihoods taken away, arrested on trumped up charges, homes surrounded and harrassed, spat upon, vandalized, garbage thrown. And though He loves all, God was only ever pleased with a remnant in Israel, just as He has only ever been pleased with a remnant in the church. Rom 9:27
Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
The Catholic Church and Talmudic Judaism are just two branches of the same thing, one Jewish, one Gentile....mystery Babylon. Amazing how much Catholicism has in common with Judaism....robes, priests, incense, tabernacle, altar, adherence to extra-biblical writings, intellectual, authoritarian, dead religion, both persecutors of the true faith of Christ.....and both full of plagues of sin. They both need to be watched carefully in these last days. The Jews have been very open about their purpose for a newly built Temple...that it is for the purpose of uniting all religions of the world. It's looking like two peas in a pod here.
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