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Post by frienduff on Apr 29, 2019 15:21:02 GMT -5
And sister candance , You loved dear sister , though I don't think the pope gonna think to highly of ya . I and we here love you . You put those hands up and praise the LORD and let us ever more be digging in the pure and holy and wonderous scrips . Hands up , sister , hands up and praise the LORD . I got tickled at first . Because I was like , sister candance actually found a pic that has the same color as she does in real life . You throw those hands up sister . WE , by grace will keep exhorting one the other daily and so Much the more , for we SEE the day is approaching .
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Post by joseph on Apr 29, 2019 16:35:01 GMT -5
The abundance of bad teaching does not nullify the scriptural command to teach. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ — Ephesians 4:11-12
Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. — 2 Timothy 2:1-2
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. — Titus 1:9
The instructions to make disciples and teach as found in Scripture, never says anyone can expect good teaching anywhere, does it ? Just like your own example from growing up, and ever since then, seeing so much "abundance of bad teaching" ought to be WARNING ENOUGH not to expect good teaching anywhere, but rather to emphasize the great need to TEST TEST TEST (yes, like the Bereans) EVERYTHING even by APOSTLES or an apparent angel of light, BEFORE believing it! Test every message by any messenger of Yahuweh, BEFORE accepting it, as Scripture Clearly Says. We CANNOT with OBEDIENCE expect good teaching anywhere TODAY, and MUST TEST ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, or else risk being deceived even by the false gospel, the same as millions of others have been totally deceived in the usa by b.graham and his son, and by k.cope&&lan&&d
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 16:41:42 GMT -5
What I witnessed growing up was not about apparent contradictions in Scripture. It was people so illiterate you couldn’t make it through a basic Bible study lesson. They were saved because a preacher said so. What exactly was the gospel? They couldn’t tell you. Who was Jesus? The guy who saved them. I spoke to people who went to church their whole lives and didn’t even know that Jesus was Jewish. One Christian told me she liked to read about the “magic tricks” Jesus did in the Bible. All of that OT stuff about Israel, the unfaithful wife, the unfruitful vineyard... yawn. No one wanted to talk about it. How did the OT prophesy of Jesus? That sounds like work. How could Jesus be the son of David? BOR-ING. Seriously, all these people knew what that some guy named Jesus died a long time ago and as long as they asked Him to forgive them they were saved. What little they did pick up about theology was butchered to the point it made your head hurt. Did you know the beast that brings the antichrist in Revelation was one of the four beasts that worshipped God in Isaiah 6? A beast is a beast, so it had to be the same. This teaching was seriously put forth by a Sunday School teacher who had been in church for 60 years. Oxen in a ditch. Oh yes. It’s okay to lie when you need to lie. It’s okay to cheat on your taxes if you really need the money. The wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous, right? Cheat on those taxes! Scheme to get ahead in the workplace and trample the wicked! Success is proof that God blessed you for it! I remember a church that justified divorce and remarriage on the grounds that when you marry “the wrong person” it doesn’t get recorded in heaven. Therefore people could divorce and remarry as often as necessary until they found their soulmate. “What God hath put together.” Yeah. When you brought up verses about adultery, you were told they only applied to soulmates. When you asked to see this soulmate thing in Scripture, you were told to stop being argumentative. This kind of painfully bad logic was very common among my parents’ friends. It sounds like a sad state of affairs, without a doubt.
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Post by John on Apr 29, 2019 16:46:11 GMT -5
The New Testament says we have a right to expect good teaching.... I don't think so. People get in a lot of trouble when they expect good teaching, and are taught wrong, on forums, in churches, in sunday school, anywhere. I don't think she meant expectation the way you did. She meant that Biblically speaking, teachers should know what they are talking about. I know full well that many are clueless.
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Post by joseph on Apr 29, 2019 16:56:22 GMT -5
I don't think so. People get in a lot of trouble when they expect good teaching, and are taught wrong, on forums, in churches, in sunday school, anywhere. I don't think she meant expectation the way you did. She meant that Biblically speaking, teachers should know what they are talking about. I know full well that many are clueless.
The danger is someone will believe a teacher (or teaching) like exampled in other threads on this site, because they were told (or otherwise led ) to "expect true teaching". Billions are deceived by this . They are told not to object, that if they object they are the ones who are wrong, that they are the ones who are deceived, and even that they have a demon! Meanwhile, it IS THE religious TEACHERS, trusted ones, who not only have the demonic teaching, but who make their converts twice the son of the devil as themselves! "Biblically speaking" , NEVER trust (expect truth from) the flesh. "Biblically speaking" , most teachers DO NOT know what they are talking about. Thus the severe WARNINGS from Scripture for all of us.
and yes, concerning true teachers,
the true teachers called and chosen by God are under a greater risk of judgment than "regular" members who are not teachers.
For their sakes as well as the members sakes, we all should be tested, all should be watching out for one another (Ekklesia in Christ), DAILY,
and warn teachers if there is a discrepancy in their teaching , anything different than the Gospel once for all delivered.
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Post by joseph on Apr 29, 2019 16:59:02 GMT -5
It sounds like a sad state of affairs, without a doubt. Yes, potentially everywhere we look. The world is not a safe place, but very dangerous. (For everyone seeking God's Kingdom, traps are laid daily even "in the house of God") ..... Be prayerfully very careful no matter where you live or go.
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Post by John on Apr 29, 2019 17:04:22 GMT -5
It sounds like a sad state of affairs, without a doubt. Yes, potentially everywhere we look. The world is not a safe place, but very dangerous. (For everyone seeking God's Kingdom, traps are laid daily even "in the house of God") ..... Be prayerfully very careful no matter where you live or go. I do not expect sound doctrine when I visit a church, or message board for that matter, but if we are teachers, we should study to show ourselves approved, and let God's Spirit, not Hermes instruct us.
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Post by joseph on Apr 29, 2019 17:15:26 GMT -5
Yes, potentially everywhere we look. The world is not a safe place, but very dangerous. (For everyone seeking God's Kingdom, traps are laid daily even "in the house of God") ..... Be prayerfully very careful no matter where you live or go. I do not expect sound doctrine when I visit a church, or message board for that matter, but if we are teachers, we should study to show ourselves approved, and let God's Spirit, not Hermes instruct us.
As written in Scripture, as revealed by ABBA YAHWEH, yes, so do. Daily.
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Post by PG4Him on Apr 29, 2019 17:30:08 GMT -5
Joseph you’re misunderstanding me. I was talking about seeking the knowledge of God. Being simple doesn’t mean you never grow in knowledge. If you get saved and then ten years later you haven’t learned anything new, there’s something wrong. We’re called to be simple, but we’re not called to be uninitiated.
Aside from junk teaching on websites and in pulpits, there are people out there who have something to teach. I’m not going to sit here and say that 100% of the teaching from 100% of Christians on the planet is wrong. If that was true, then joseph your teaching would have to be wrong. Yes we must be discerning, but we can’t reject everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 19:14:23 GMT -5
I just know that it's very important to have our eyes on the Lord, rather than on teachers/preachers. Put no confidence in the flesh...follow and trust in no man, but the Lord. And He is able to speak, instruct, encourage us, etc, through any vessel He chooses, but that doesn't mean the vessel He uses in our life on one occasion or for one purpose or season indicates that He is 100% approving of that vessel 100% of the time. Anyone can be mistaken or have some or a lot of error and we always need to be sober and vigilant....eat the meat but spit out the bones. And point out the bones when appropriate and necessary. We are to be led by the Lord and hearing HIS voice, rather than the voice of teachers/preachers per se.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 30, 2019 15:13:44 GMT -5
I just know that it's very important to have our eyes on the Lord, rather than on teachers/preachers. Put no confidence in the flesh...follow and trust in no man, but the Lord. And He is able to speak, instruct, encourage us, etc, through any vessel He chooses, but that doesn't mean the vessel He uses in our life on one occasion or for one purpose or season indicates that He is 100% approving of that vessel 100% of the time. Anyone can be mistaken or have some or a lot of error and we always need to be sober and vigilant....eat the meat but spit out the bones. And point out the bones when appropriate and necessary. We are to be led by the Lord and hearing HIS voice, rather than the voice of teachers/preachers per se. It is as I love to say , test every one , every day . For a man who speaks truth today , might be a deceiver tomorrow . I got no trust in men , but if it makes one feel better, I DONT EVEN TRUST IN MY OWN FLESH . ITS A JESUS TRUST ONLY and if one iota of those pure and holy words OF HIS and other sound doctrine in that bible are omitted or twisted , IT WONT BE HEEDED . REMEMBER when JESUS said , MY SHEEP hear ONLY MY VOICE and a stranger they will flee . YOU BET ITS TRUE . ALL get tested and they will , till my final breath . And let all the lambs of the LORD follow the LORD and be here one for another and exhort and edify . Time to praise the LORD . Yep , but what hour is there in a day in which the Lord ought not to be praised . and the answer , NONE . PRAISE HIM AT ALL TIMES .
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Post by joseph on May 1, 2019 13:10:50 GMT -5
Joseph you’re misunderstanding me. I was talking about seeking the knowledge of God. Being simple doesn’t mean you never grow in knowledge. If you get saved and then ten years later you haven’t learned anything new, there’s something wrong. We’re called to be simple, but we’re not called to be uninitiated. Aside from junk teaching on websites and in pulpits, there are people out there who have something to teach. I’m not going to sit here and say that 100% of the teaching from 100% of Christians on the planet is wrong. If that was true, then joseph your teaching would have to be wrong. Yes we must be discerning, but we can’t reject everyone. Take a list of 100% of all Christian teachers you can find. According to Scripture, how many of those Christian teachers do you accept without testing their message as Scripture says ?
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Post by PG4Him on May 1, 2019 13:19:54 GMT -5
Joseph you’re misunderstanding me. I was talking about seeking the knowledge of God. Being simple doesn’t mean you never grow in knowledge. If you get saved and then ten years later you haven’t learned anything new, there’s something wrong. We’re called to be simple, but we’re not called to be uninitiated. Aside from junk teaching on websites and in pulpits, there are people out there who have something to teach. I’m not going to sit here and say that 100% of the teaching from 100% of Christians on the planet is wrong. If that was true, then joseph your teaching would have to be wrong. Yes we must be discerning, but we can’t reject everyone. Take a list of 100% of all Christian teachers you can find. According to Scripture, how many of those Christian teachers do you accept without testing their message as Scripture says ? We seem to be talking past each other. There is no human whose teaching I would take as fact without checking Scripture for myself. I would never blindly believe what I’m told. Teachers must prove themselves as workers not ashamed. They are not entitled to being believed. However, I don’t dismiss things out of hand just because a human brought it up to me. I don’t think I’m above any human correction. If I hear a good sermon that expounds on Scriptural truth, I won’t look for some kind of way to catch him in a loophole to oppose him. Some people reject good doctrinal teaching without even thinking it through. They are unteachable. Somewhere in the middle of these two extremes is the right way to act. Give teachers the respect to hear what they have to say, test it by Scripture, and receive it if it seems to be true. Don’t just blindly believe them, but neither be an argumentative jerk. I hope this helps.
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Post by frienduff on May 1, 2019 13:35:20 GMT -5
Joseph you’re misunderstanding me. I was talking about seeking the knowledge of God. Being simple doesn’t mean you never grow in knowledge. If you get saved and then ten years later you haven’t learned anything new, there’s something wrong. We’re called to be simple, but we’re not called to be uninitiated. Aside from junk teaching on websites and in pulpits, there are people out there who have something to teach. I’m not going to sit here and say that 100% of the teaching from 100% of Christians on the planet is wrong. If that was true, then joseph your teaching would have to be wrong. Yes we must be discerning, but we can’t reject everyone. Take a list of 100% of all Christian teachers you can find. According to Scripture, how many of those Christian teachers do you accept without testing their message as Scripture says ? Let every man , woman and child hear the next words . To answer the question of joseph ...........NOT A ONE OF THEM . And even those who do preach truth and pass the test , shall be tested all the days I breathe air . For a man can fall . BUT NOT GOD . HIS WORD IS TRUTH as HE IS TRUTH as HE IS HIS WORD . And thus let all who do teach always be tested . To ensure two things , that TRUTH IS SPOKEN , and if one is in error also that they can or might be corrected fast . For many deceivers abound and many appear as men of righteousness . THEY KNOW what to say , THEY KNOW how to allure , they know how to deceive they are the deceived who deceive many and yet know not they are in darkness .
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Post by frienduff on May 1, 2019 13:40:09 GMT -5
If truth in the bible is either omitted , taken from or added to , let every man know the one who does so teach , IS IN DIRE DANGER and must be corrected . IF they heed not , then one must quickly ask themselves , WHY IS it this man wont repent . FOR EVEN THE KING called DAVID repented when he was CALLED ON HIS ERROR . A man who instead justifies their error , IS A MAN who is trapped in the bondage of total darkness and will be consumed entirely of the darkness .
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