PG4Him
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 24, 2019 11:39:07 GMT -5
Speaking personally about myself, I’m scared to testify on YouTube or other places about the miraculous things I’ve seen. I don’t want an army of cessationists calling me a witch. Holiness Christians who experience healings/deliverance don’t want to cause fights by testifying of these things in front of other people. So in public it seems like healings don’t happen. I could show you lots of people I know in real life who were healed by Jesus. But what difference does it make? I don’t have time to sit around defending and explaining every detail to convince people it really was Jesus.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 24, 2019 12:41:19 GMT -5
Honestly it isn’t so much about magic tricks or dramatic public shows. It isn’t so much about theatrical signs. The modern Christian body, by and large, is utterly powerless to get people free from bondages, addictions, diseases, and perpetual failure. Many, many devout Christian believers pray for decades on end for healings that never come, financial help that never comes, family salvations that never happen, and deliverances that don’t seen to stick. We can’t keep saying all of them are double-minded sinners. This is what has led a lot of people into cessationism, because healings and miracles simply don’t seem to be happening anymore, and anyone who does it in public is INSTANTLY attacked as a witch by someone or other. The modern body, even holiness people, is not really like the New Testament. Not at all. If we’re really living like the apostles, we ought to see people healed and delivered all over the place. Peter and Paul raised up dead people. No one sat around back then and said, well yeah but what does that prove? Would you tell Luke to his face that he was too wrapped up in talking about miracles? Either miraculous healings are part of the pattern, or they aren’t. Good news and be encouraged by this , I never said we cant talk about miracles . Just that no matter what the leaders need to sound identical to the original . What has led people into cessationism is they did not see the gifts and wonders . BUT WHY was that . And HE could not do many mighty works because of , THEIR UNBELIEF . Lots of folks sat under men and had faith in the image of JESUS they preached , only it was not the TRUE BIBLICAL JESUS and FOUNDATION and pattern and manner the true apostels had . IF the doctrine is lacking the leaven is rising . What we got to do , is get the people far from todays men , AND back into BIBLES ONLY . And those who are built up , need to be doing just that . A call for an exodus out of this false end time awakening , I do make . And let us return to the true doctrine found ONLY in that bible . IF that gets engrained real deep , if the holy scriptures get engrained real deep Folks will be surely made wise unto salvation through faith in Christ . I want us to take note of what paul said , CONCERING the SOUND holy scrips . TO GET the people focused and on it . To read it , for lambs who do so , will be built up in instruction of rightoueness , Holiness , having all they need that the true man of GOD may be thoroughly furnished unto all good works . The greatest attack has come against the original pattern , original foundation , though deceivers who do so , often play as though they don't . The lambs must go back into bible reading fast . For I warn us all , and this will only increase , that the churches are now being deiceved with the upmost delusion now , and it knows how to pander to every group . IT will come saying the name of JESUS , it will come by those who make the point its all about winning souls , But if this were really about HONORING JESUS and following HIM and if this were really about winning souls and doing all to make true decisples . THEN WHY on earth were those men on stage at kairos , with a man WHO I KNOW PRAISED THE POPE . I will choose the old direction , first given us BY CHRIST and the apostels , FOR THAT DIRECTION IS TO JESUS and POINTS TO HIM . The new direction , it was invented by the very false system , which it tries to claim it is against , and yet all these false ones with Kenny second in command only to HIS POPE ARE THE ONES LEADING US RIGHT INTO IT . I SEEN karios , and I SAW who was there . LOTS of faces and lots of eyes enamoured with Kenneth . GOD don't use the false to guide us into a revival an awakening , THEY GUIDE us only into mass delusion and a upmost falling away . And now at the end arises more than ever those who will be able to have signs and wonders , BUT THEIR DIRECTION willnot POINT to the TRUE CHRIST nor the pattern of the apostels . And this is why we must test all stewards . FOR it will be by the signs and wonders that HE was able to deceive all right into the very web of satan . I saw that picture of so many pastors WITH THE POPE I saw them go and return to their churches and guess what , THE FOCUS SHIFTED MORE THAN EVER TO UNITY and finding common ground . HMMM , I wonder why that is ITS because they do the popes bidding . I seen with my own eyes what Kenneth did and said , AND SO did all those men who sat at karios . And they all do that one work , that oh so seductive and clever work which is the work of man , which is the work of darkness , which is the work of ROME herself . Let us here , just build one another up with bible doctrine again , even if we know it , lets just get refreshed in it . I write this with hope in my heart . Not with any accusation against anyone here . Lets just double down on bible doctrine learning CHRIST only more , being refreshed in HIM only more . BE encouraged .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 24, 2019 12:45:40 GMT -5
Speaking personally about myself, I’m scared to testify on YouTube or other places about the miraculous things I’ve seen. I don’t want an army of cessationists calling me a witch. Holiness Christians who experience healings/deliverance don’t want to cause fights by testifying of these things in front of other people. So in public it seems like healings don’t happen. I could show you lots of people I know in real life who were healed by Jesus. But what difference does it make? I don’t have time to sit around defending and explaining every detail to convince people it really was Jesus. Not me . not I . I have no fear of what these call me nor any man . I will speak of the bible sound doctrine and I will speak of the gifts that even I myself have experienced . Let folks fasely accuse me of being this or that . MY MIND has PERFECT PEACE and no matter what comes against me , MY MIND HAS PERFECT PEACE . Be encouraged and of good cheer . NO man , no threat , no harm , can cause me fear nor move me from my course IN JESUS . IMMANUEL . God is with HIS own . And no matter what comes against the true lambs , whether harm , great sufferings , separations from men , accusations against the lambs , no threat , nor any actual event GONNA sway no lamb . CAUSE a lamb has all hope and no matter what it goes through , whether it lives or even dies , IT has all HOPE and onward into the trenches it does go , till either it DIE or JESUS COME .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 24, 2019 12:54:35 GMT -5
Exactly . Do you remember when the desicples returned and they were REJOICING . Do you remember that GOD had given Lucifer all gifts and great wisdom .
WHY do I bring this up .
Let us read the whole event . God had given Lucifer great wisdom , perfect in beauty he was , TILL inquity was found in Him . What had been the fall of Lucifer . For satan did fall from heaven . He became enamoured with the things GOD had given him . He became enamoured with the gifts , with the wisdom , etc .
And now a word from our LORD long ago to his own desiciples .
And they returned , REJIOCING and saying LORD even the demons are subject unto us THROUGH YOUR NAME . AND JESUS SAID . BEHOLD , BEHOLD I saw satan fall from heaven I DO GIVE YOU the power to cast out serpents , tread down scorpions and etc BUT IN THIS DO NOT REJOICE . RIGHT THERE JESUS HAD SPOTTED what had been the down fall of satan , IN THEM . HE Saw them rejoicing IN THE POWER AND HE SHUT IT DOWN FAST . DO NOT rejoice in this , don't , but rather REJOICE THAT YOUR NAMES ARE WROTE ABOVE .
I warn us all , many great men and small have become enamoured with the POWER , the gifts and have made entire ministries based on this and have fallen and have led many men astray . The all out call to a return to child like faith is being sounded . WE DO have all gifts and things necessary , BUT DONT MAKE A MINISITRY out of it . Let none become enamoured with the very things GOD HIMSELF simply gave us . RATHER FOCUS on the spreading of the gospel , rather make the focus on sound doctrine , and the gifts will be used as they are needed , and WHEN they are needed . BE ON GAURD .
Brother, this is excellent and very well said, praise the Lord. AT the same time we don't want to throw cold water on anyone teaching and encouraging the body of believers to exercise authority over snakes and scorpions in the name of Jesus. It is such a badly needed ministry and we are not doing nearly enough in that regard and need to be encouraged and reminded, as well as I believe discipled. But amen, also to be reminded of not letting it go to our heads, because pride goeth before a fall. I know you are addressing mainly those few 'celebrity' style ministers in the church that is falling away........but I have a question about all this for anyone......is the authority to heal all who are oppressed by the devil given only to some in the body of Christ, or is it really for all believers, since we are a priesthood of all believers...or maybe that is speaking of the church as a whole in some respects. I have seen a little of demons being sent packing, but not nearly enough, for the most part I feel helpless in face of people who are badly oppressed, and I feel badly that I am falling short of what needs to be done. For me I have trouble taking authority and not sure why, I am just not an authoritative type of person....is it because I'm a woman, or because I still need more healing myself, or maybe it's just not my area of gifting, though I desire it and hate seeing the devil have the upper hand. I think demonic oppression literally prevents many from receiving Christ as well as that they suffer so badly.....but do they need deliverance first in order to be able to be saved.? I forgot to answer your question . SO lets do it biblically . First are all apostels , NO , are all prophets NO do all have the gift of healing NO . so the answer is no . Whatever gift we have , let us just be faithful in it . The apostles seemed to have quite a few of the gifts . Paul even had special powers by GOD . But again not all do . But GOD knows how to put each one in the body and give it a certain honor so that there is an equality amongst us . That none be highmined and that all see ourselves as naught and each true lamb as needful to the body . GOD KNOWS HOW to WORK all things THROUGH the body .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 24, 2019 13:00:31 GMT -5
Ps. Godliness with contentment IS GREAT GAIN . and be ye content with such things as ye have , for HE has said I will never leave thee nor forsake thee . And that we may BODLY , BODLY , BODLY say I shall NOT FEAR what man CAN DO TO ME . GOD IS MY HELPER . GOD is the HELPER OF ALL WHO ARE HIS . NOW PUT those hands up and PRAISE THE LORD .
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Post by letmebefrank on Nov 24, 2019 15:59:30 GMT -5
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
MMMM Joel Osteen · Net worth $100 million USD >this is people that take something out of the bible and take it literally!! As I read you must be able to discern >For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.Descern That!!
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Post by letmebefrank on Nov 24, 2019 16:08:10 GMT -5
Because as you read on >>those words are taken out of Context!>like usual!! >> And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. Enjoy
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Post by letmebefrank on Nov 24, 2019 16:12:20 GMT -5
Cherry Picking are the classic ways of twisting the Sword of GodJesus>>> THEY EVEN HAVE THEIR OWN bIBLES!
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Post by letmebefrank on Nov 24, 2019 16:17:06 GMT -5
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
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Post by letmebefrank on Nov 24, 2019 16:23:32 GMT -5
IF you read and understand the upper and the lower is it talking about Joel Osteen · Net worth $100 million USD?? I think not!! Prosperity religion??>> MMMM yes you can cherry pick to me but I think theres a little more meaning then THAT
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Post by letmebefrank on Nov 24, 2019 16:31:46 GMT -5
What is it talking about>The Rubber hits the Road?? >> Unshakable Faith!!>> That's It! Is it faith in Money, cars, Boats>>far from it !! but that is what American Christians have become!But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal.
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Post by letmebefrank on Nov 24, 2019 16:47:41 GMT -5
The Stoning of Stephen 54 Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. 55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57 But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together at him. 58 Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” That's what its all about>> Enjoy
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Post by letmebefrank on Nov 24, 2019 16:54:30 GMT -5
Feet of a young man named Saul. The biggest killer of Early Christian Saul{PAUL} Can GodJesus change a persons Heart?? yes He can!
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Post by Giller on Nov 24, 2019 16:56:12 GMT -5
We really do need to have discernment between the true and the false, between miracles of God, and the ones that are not of God.
We cannot stand on these things via feelings, or via our likes and dislikes, but it must be true, honest discernment, not based on preference.
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Post by letmebefrank on Nov 24, 2019 17:11:28 GMT -5
I could show you lots of people I know in real life who were healed by Jesus. But what difference does it make? I don’t have time to sit around defending and explaining every detail to convince people it really was Jesus.
MMN! part of the Charismatic movement are We? and I see your leader {NOT My words } is into the Pen>holy something? and Im just threading what I read from this forum {NOT MY WORDS} I feel GodJesus moves and knows all >Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. 7Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. But to see lots of people healed by Jesus>MMMM Tell me the people Please?>> I have the time if you do and Im sure the people on this forum would like it TOO!
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