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Post by Giller on Nov 25, 2019 12:29:28 GMT -5
I believe that God will always show us whether it be of him or not, we just have to continually humble ourselves before him, so we can be sensitive to his Spirit, that is all, it is a daily walk, I have to humble myself, we all have to, there is nothing to prove.
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Post by Giller on Nov 25, 2019 12:30:28 GMT -5
We have the old man and the new man, we have to put off the old man, and put on the new man.
To take up our cross daily.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 25, 2019 12:42:13 GMT -5
Brother I agree with you completely. I really do. There are times when we know the power of God crystal clear. Other times may need a bit more testing. Things are to be confirmed and have more than one witness. But we have to be careful when we toss around verses about the deceitful heart because this kind of stuff is hammered on by cessationists. I refuse to believe Jesus leaves me incapable of knowing His ways.
there’s a whole crowd of Christians on the Internet who have too much time on their hands. They want to sit around playing Sherlock Holmes and debunking every miracle they can find. I don’t see how this is exhorting the Christian body. Yes, expose the stuff that’s obviously false, I agree. But why do we have to go out of our way to demoralize Christians over a miracle? If there’s someone who really loves Jesus and they have a testimony that glorifies Jesus, then why do we have to look for some kind of loophole to destroy their faith?
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Post by Giller on Nov 25, 2019 12:43:55 GMT -5
And in truth if the cessationists use the scriptures the wrong way, well that is them, I will still accept those verses they use, but seeking to use them in the right way, what I care about is being biblical, not going any other way.
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Post by Giller on Nov 25, 2019 12:52:54 GMT -5
Brother I agree with you completely. I really do. There are times when we know the power of God crystal clear. Other times may need a bit more testing. Things are to be confirmed and have more than one witness. But we have to be careful when we toss around verses about the deceitful heart because this kind of stuff is hammered on by cessationists. I refuse to believe Jesus leaves me incapable of knowing His ways. there’s a whole crowd of Christians on the Internet who have too much time on their hands. They want to sit around playing Sherlock Holmes and debunking every miracle they can find. I don’t see how this is exhorting the Christian body. Yes, expose the stuff that’s obviously false, I agree. But why do we have to go out of our way to demoralize Christians over a miracle? If there’s someone who really loves Jesus and they have a testimony that glorifies Jesus, then why do we have to look for some kind of loophole to destroy their faith? Oh I do see your point, and really do agree with what you say here, if someone truly genuinely loves the Lord then praise God, of course you do not want to destroy their faith, but some preachers are very good talkers these days, a thing I have realized especially concerning the preachers I used to listen to, is that they are very good at what they do, and often times they reveal their true beliefs later on, when they have gathered a good size following. Concerning the leg growing thing, in the Todd post, I have truly seen this in real life, and I cannot deny what I seen. But I am looking into this issue right now (not exact moment), more via teaching. But I do not want to derail this thread, and get into the Todd stuff here. Love you Candance.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 25, 2019 15:16:21 GMT -5
Cessationists use all the Scriptures against false miracles. They hold a line that absolutely no spiritual activity is from God today. They don’t care if you were on your face in worship halfway through Amazing Grace when the power of God came over you. No excuses, no allowances.. All of it is witchcraft to them. They will not listen to any kind of testimony that you know for sure it was the power of God. According to them you know nothing and you are incapable of discerning. We had a member in our midst at one time who did this to us concerning tongues. She was quite convinced that tongues are not real today. No matter how many testimonies she had from all of us that we were in a good solid service hearing good solid doctrine when the power of God fell. She was having none of it. We were deceived, period. If none of us are capable of ever really knowing for sure, and the heart is deceitful above all else, and there’s a constant moving target, then why did Paul tell Corinth he preached to them in the power of God? How did those Corinthians know for sure that they were not being deceived by their wicked heart when Paul moved by the power of God? You know that I am not a cessationist, and I think at times it is very obvious when it is God. There are times it is so obvious that it is God, that you know that you know it is, but just because times like these happen, does not mean that we do not take heed to the rest of scripture which says to test the spirits, and knowing them by their fruit, it is not all one way or the other , we have to take heed to all of scripture. SO then lets test all by their fruit . WOULD the HOLY GHOST line up a seasoned leader with the false . This should be so simple a question , even a babe could answer it . ITS NO . There is no way the HOLY GHOST would align a true seasoned leader , OR ANYONE for that matter , with a well known false one . YET it happens all the time and people make excuse for this . THE HOLY GHOST , if we have it , LEADS US and it never led me in that direction . IF we want to KNOW who is of GOD amongst the leaders today , Don't JUST test what they say , test what they do and WHO they hang around and support . The HOLY GHOST don't lead us to align with what is false . IF even a lamb slips , REST assured the HOLY GHOST would correct that lamb . Convict that lamb . SO note two things most of these leaders I HAVE personally witnessed , not only ALIGN with the mega false , THEY WONT REPENT OF their aligning . FOLKS we better get grounded in bibles and only deeper now . Because even JESUS First warned in those days , MANY false prophets will arise and show signs , wonders that could even deceive the VERY ELECT if that were possible . MANY , JESUS Did not say few , HE SAID MANY . And I am seeing them all over the place now and they are super slick .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 25, 2019 15:24:36 GMT -5
And in truth if the cessationists use the scriptures the wrong way, well that is them, I will still accept those verses they use, but seeking to use them in the right way, what I care about is being biblical, not going any other way. Whoever teaches the gifts have ceased , WE KNOW are false . But we are also headed into most deceptive days now . Its been bad , but its flooding in now . IF we want to KNOW WHO is truly of GOD , what leader of any movement is truly of GOD WE better test WHO they support . I watched this mega false karios twenty seventeen . And Kenneth Copeland , KNEW what to say , YET that man supports POPE francis BIG TIME , HE said it with his own mouth . Just on that alone , not to mention the mega massive outright blasphemous things he has taught , WHY ON EARTH would the HOLY GHOST align us , YET alone THESE LEADERS , WITH KENNETH COPELAND . THIS should be the simpliest thing to see . THE HOLY GHOST don't align us with the mega false . IT DONT . None of the leaders I saw on the stage , have since repented of their love , loyalty to Kenneth and Kenneth has not repented of his love loyalty to POPE francis either . GET AWAY from the blind . IF they cannot see Kenneth for what he is , and line up with him they are blind . NOT to mention the very fact , ITS THESE that are in leadership authority over flocks , and yet they cant see what mere babes like me can . THIS IS Total bad news man . its total deception . TEST ALLL THIER FRUITS . don't let anyone get caught up with a sign or wonder don't let anyone get caught up with a good speech . TEST WHO THEY ALSO SUPPORT . THAT IS A HUGE FRUIT of where their heart and loyalty REALLY IS .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 25, 2019 15:33:54 GMT -5
and remember pauls own letter . WITH fair speeches , good words they DECIEVE the hearts of the simple . Its what they are doing . Its what they are doing . TEST WHO they support and you will KNOW where their heart and loyalty TRULY IS .
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 25, 2019 15:34:10 GMT -5
I can’t even have a conversation in public here without everything circling back to Kenneth Copeland. I’m sick to death of hearing about Kenneth Copeland every single day.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 25, 2019 16:27:24 GMT -5
I can’t even have a conversation in public here without everything circling back to Kenneth Copeland. I’m sick to death of hearing about Kenneth Copeland every single day. The man is in direct obedience and his favorite day was when he met pope francis . I had to bring him up . Be encouraged . We have to do all to protect the flocks . at least I do . I exhort with praise but also with warning . I think almost everyone here knows HE is false . SO what I do , is remind us that no true seasoned leader or man of GOD would align with that . IF they did , and were truly of GOD , like a babe perhaps , rest assured the SPIRIT would not give them rest , till repentance was made . Question . And the answer should be quite obvious . By grace I was saved , put ONLY in the bible . kept far from the false . what I mean by being kept from them is , that GOD put a desire for love OF TRUTH upon my heart . It is true in my first month or so , I did not know Kenneth copleand , Rick warren , TBN men and women too , were false . BUT man I was so empty when I turned it on . Man I was so empty when I even tried to read the purpose driven lie , Wait he calls it life . NOW , in short time , I found out by the knowledge of those scriptures I was loving BY GRACE so much , WHY I had been so empty . THEY WERE FALSE . the entire lott of them are . SO , I do understand why babes may not know they are false , but GOD Keeps his lambs safe . I would leave a list of all who I KNOW are false , but I believe we would have world war three . I could leave a list of so many who have actually met with pope francis and loved the man , but it would cause world war three on this site . and why , I have a total obligation out of deep love for everyone , to do all I can to keep them far from anything which is dangerous . We don't need to fight over this . nor do you need to even get upset . We just exhorting is all . no one here is calling me false , or giller false or you false . but what we are doing is LOOKING out for those we love .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 18:11:17 GMT -5
Cessationists use all the Scriptures against false miracles. They hold a line that absolutely no spiritual activity is from God today. They don’t care if you were on your face in worship halfway through Amazing Grace when the power of God came over you. No excuses, no allowances.. All of it is witchcraft to them. They will not listen to any kind of testimony that you know for sure it was the power of God. According to them you know nothing and you are incapable of discerning. We had a member in our midst at one time who did this to us concerning tongues. She was quite convinced that tongues are not real today. No matter how many testimonies she had from all of us that we were in a good solid service hearing good solid doctrine when the power of God fell. She was having none of it. We were deceived, period. If none of us are capable of ever really knowing for sure, and the heart is deceitful above all else, and there’s a constant moving target, then why did Paul tell Corinth he preached to them in the power of God? How did those Corinthians know for sure that they were not being deceived by their wicked heart when Paul moved by the power of God? I think there is an aspect that we don't always know, and that's just a reality of our journey. We walk by faith, not by sight, and a lot of that comes by learning as we go. It's the nature of children (to whom the kingdom belongs), as well as sheep, to be led, so we can be easily led astray...and our love for the Lord and things of God actually makes us vulnerable...we can be easily drawn to those who talk about the God and Saviour who we love. We do our best and run our best race, but ultimately crossing the finish line depends on God and His faithfulness to us, rather than on ourselves. Jesus said He was sending us out as sheep amongst wolves...as if on purpose.....meanwhile He uses all these things for our good, as well as testing our hearts in ways we don't even know, as we learn from our mistakes, and discernment grows, etc. Totally agree with your point. We musn't be in so much fear of the false that it keeps us paralyzed from seeking the Lord and His kingdom. As we keep running the race in humility, looking to the Lord with Godly fear, He will help us along. I think some wisdom that applies to this is where it says take heed who thinks he stands (thinks he knows), lest he fall.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 18:21:46 GMT -5
I can’t even have a conversation in public here without everything circling back to Kenneth Copeland. I’m sick to death of hearing about Kenneth Copeland every single day. The man is in direct obedience and his favorite day was when he met pope francis . I had to bring him up . Be encouraged . We have to do all to protect the flocks . at least I do . I exhort with praise but also with warning . I think almost everyone here knows HE is false . SO what I do , is remind us that no true seasoned leader or man of GOD would align with that . IF they did , and were truly of GOD , like a babe perhaps , rest assured the SPIRIT would not give them rest , till repentance was made . Question . And the answer should be quite obvious . By grace I was saved , put ONLY in the bible . kept far from the false . what I mean by being kept from them is , that GOD put a desire for love OF TRUTH upon my heart . It is true in my first month or so , I did not know Kenneth copleand , Rick warren , TBN men and women too , were false . BUT man I was so empty when I turned it on . Man I was so empty when I even tried to read the purpose driven lie , Wait he calls it life . NOW , in short time , I found out by the knowledge of those scriptures I was loving BY GRACE so much , WHY I had been so empty . THEY WERE FALSE . the entire lott of them are . SO , I do understand why babes may not know they are false , but GOD Keeps his lambs safe . I would leave a list of all who I KNOW are false , but I believe we would have world war three . I could leave a list of so many who have actually met with pope francis and loved the man , but it would cause world war three on this site . and why , I have a total obligation out of deep love for everyone , to do all I can to keep them far from anything which is dangerous . We don't need to fight over this . nor do you need to even get upset . We just exhorting is all . no one here is calling me false , or giller false or you false . but what we are doing is LOOKING out for those we love .
Some wisdom might be that the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, meaning that we don't always have to act on every unction we get. We dont' want to get so focused on everything that is wrong and false that it comes at the expense of making progress in the things that are true and lovely and of good report. Just my two cents. You are loved brother.
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Post by John on Nov 26, 2019 9:11:09 GMT -5
Speaking personally about myself, I’m scared to testify on YouTube or other places about the miraculous things I’ve seen. I don’t want an army of cessationists calling me a witch. Holiness Christians who experience healings/deliverance don’t want to cause fights by testifying of these things in front of other people. So in public it seems like healings don’t happen. I could show you lots of people I know in real life who were healed by Jesus. But what difference does it make? I don’t have time to sit around defending and explaining every detail to convince people it really was Jesus. Cessationists place experience over what God says, like a lot of people place more weight on personal feeling than God's Word.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 26, 2019 10:52:04 GMT -5
And in truth if the cessationists use the scriptures the wrong way, well that is them, I will still accept those verses they use, but seeking to use them in the right way, what I care about is being biblical, not going any other way. This shows something very clear . It shows you are not enamoured with or became enamored with the gifts , rather enamoured with GOD and HIS EVERY WORD > THIS is exactly how it ought to be . BY the SPIRIT we know in the bible , that JESUS is the same always and thus the gifts will not cease , TILL HE COME and then its no longer needed etc. Let our hearts be ON the creator and living by His every word , by HIS SPIRIT . Feasting upon the holy inspired words of the LORD and the apostles . Testing all things said and always examining not just the words of men , but their actions . And actions that line up with the false , SHOW us something is totally dead wrong . If I were a deceiver , I would come in as one amongst the crowd I was trying to sway I would speak things they did teach and yet draw them in another DIRECTION . Many deceivers can appear as men of righteousness , and yet they are nothing more than a deceiver . But by their fruits you can indeed know them . AND a key fruit is watch who they align themselves with . watch closely for I promise , many deceivers have abounded , just as JESUS warned they would in the days and times near the end . many false prophets have abounded and can show signs and wonders to deceive even the very elect . BUT JESUS IS TRUTH and HIS WORD IS TRUTH , and HE said YE shall know them by their FRUITS . Men of Christ don't align with the tables of belial . Men of Christ align with men of truth .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 26, 2019 10:59:20 GMT -5
Speaking personally about myself, I’m scared to testify on YouTube or other places about the miraculous things I’ve seen. I don’t want an army of cessationists calling me a witch. Holiness Christians who experience healings/deliverance don’t want to cause fights by testifying of these things in front of other people. So in public it seems like healings don’t happen. I could show you lots of people I know in real life who were healed by Jesus. But what difference does it make? I don’t have time to sit around defending and explaining every detail to convince people it really was Jesus. Cessationists place experience over what God says, like a lot of people place more weight on personal feeling than God's Word.
Yep . and its how by grace , one of the things I saw , that let me know a well known teacher was false . HE teaches cessationism . AND I KNEW , OH NO NO , no need to heed this one . Cessationists are at the total end of one extreme , but a number so high are also at the other end of the extreme and are enamoured with the miracles of many and yet the many sure don't seem to make the BIBLE a HUGE FOCUS . THAT is another major red flag . Paul , james , peter , john , had many gifts , but what was their focus on , TEACHING the CHURCH HOLY SCRITPURE SOUND DOCTRINE . That was their large focus . If men , week after week get up in churches and focus mainly on signs and wonders , mainly on gifts and miracles , WE BETTER WATCH OUT . IF men get up and begin a teaching with we really don't NEED to teach the bible , and then try and twist it to seem as though THEY KNOW IT we better watch out on that one . Because I cant even begin to imagine , You butero getting up and starting a sermon which says , WE DONT NEED to teach the church FROM the bible etc I JUST DONT SEE you saying that at all . YET another actually said it , then cleverly twists things to make it seem as though he does . And many may not say this , yet still its what they do . THEY focus on all sorts of things and yet very little on teaching RIGHT from the bible . AND that is how a deceiver works .
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