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Post by Giller on Dec 21, 2019 19:56:09 GMT -5
I think often times we have our eyes too much on the world, and not enough on beholding him, beholding to see things, how he sees it.
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Post by Giller on Dec 21, 2019 20:02:44 GMT -5
Now some might ask, well then what makes our music worship or not?
Good question, and I will get into it soon enough, just want people to meditate on what has already been said.
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Post by Giller on Dec 21, 2019 23:24:31 GMT -5
Here is something else to meditate upon:
Heb 11:6 (6) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Rom 14:23 (23) And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
The world is not walking by faith, they are in sin 24 hours a day.
They are in unbelief, and are not serving God, and we were raised in this world, we are bombarded by this world every where we go, and maybe because of this, because it is in our faces whether we go in malls etc, people are having a harder time to discern these things, because it has become the norm, and people are getting desensitized, not able to discern their right hand from their left.
People do not let the world inspire you.
In old testament times, God had a nation that he had separated from the other nations in a certain degree, and maybe then, especially when they obeyed God, and kept themselves separate, that it would have been easier for them to see the difference between holy things and unholy things, but now we are in the midst of the world, or in the world, but not of the world.
Mat 10:16 (16) Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
(Albert Barnes)
(Matthew 10:16
As sheep in the midst of wolves - That is, I send you, inoffensive and harmless, into a cold, unfriendly, and cruel world. Your innocence will not be a protection....)
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Post by Dezi on Dec 22, 2019 11:38:55 GMT -5
Deu 12:29-32 (29) When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; (30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. (31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (32) What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. So however the nations served their gods, whether it be setting up idols, or even how they worshiped their gods, however they did it, God did not want them to do so towards him. He does not want us to learn the ways of this world, adopt any of their ways, and use their ways to serve our God, these are very serious statements. Giller.... you have presented such wonderful evidence and I am so thankful to have read it. I will be sharing your insights with my children. Thank you again!
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Post by Giller on Dec 22, 2019 13:11:46 GMT -5
One thing my wife mentioned today which is so true, is that God created music, but the world perverted it, and of course the devil.
And I find that heavy metal should be one of the easiest things to discern, and if one is not able to truly discern what this music truly does to the conscience, and even sub conscience, than I feel that that person's discernment in this area is very weak.
They have become very desensitized, even to the point of becoming numb to the music, and when you become numb to the music, you really won't see what is truly happening.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 22, 2019 13:16:53 GMT -5
You certainly can be in the flesh or in the Spirit in any activity you do. Anyway, I think this is an interesting and important topic. I am not trying to get ahead of you. I have just been following the discussion, and these are questions I have regarding music. For instance, I have bluegrass gospel albums. The only difference between them and secular bluegrass is the lyrics. Much of the southern gospel could fit in on country radio if you just changed some of the words. The contemporary Christian music sounds like secular pop except for the lyrics.
Oh I totally understand what you are saying in the realm of the bluegrass and pop stuff, but I will show a certain type of difference. I do not know everything about all types of music, but I mainly chose rap and heavy metal, because of the obviousness of it, and because it is easier to see. And the fruit it produces does have to count, and the works it produces has to count as well. You can be singing the right lyrics, and be playing your instruments in the flesh. And irritation in and of itself, of course (which you know) is not discernment, but if you are being genuinely grieved because of the Holy Spirit, as a result of this or that music regardless to the lyrics, there is obviously a reason why the Holy Spirit is causing this feeling in you. Bingo . Bingo . I was going to come on and say this , but I see giller said it first . THIS is very true . Lots of folks can get up and sing the most beautiful hyms and worship songs BUT They just LOVE THAT ATTENTION . THEY might be singing wonderful beautiful truth , YET there heart is in a bad , bad place . GILLER IS SPOT ON RIGHT .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 22, 2019 13:21:46 GMT -5
WHY we do as we do , is something many must always test and examine themselves about . WHY Do I do as I do . For many do , yet do to be seen of men and patted on the back and given praise and recognition FROM MEN . And the music industry IS BIG TIME INFECTED with this . BIG TIME .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 22, 2019 13:22:50 GMT -5
WHY we do what we do is HUGE . AND JESUS said it FIRST .
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Post by Giller on Dec 22, 2019 13:25:40 GMT -5
And also as well, the world does not play or sing music by the Spirit of God, so why should we draw inspiration from them?
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Post by frienduff on Dec 22, 2019 13:28:55 GMT -5
When anyone gets up to SING , Is to for recognition , praise or a means to get known , do we do as we do in order to make a business and or a name for us . David did not market his harp and songs , THE MAN JUST SANG unto the LORD and those who heard , YEAH they were blessed . But he did not sing to become well known , or make a business . HE SANG cause his HEART REJOICED IN HIS LORD .
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Post by Giller on Dec 22, 2019 13:29:23 GMT -5
The world is incapable to truly play music in a way that touches the Lord, for one thing they do not have the Spirit of God, and are not walking by faith, which it is impossible to please God without faith, they may be able to do some type of semblence , but it will not be of God, nor by the Spirit of God.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 22, 2019 13:31:12 GMT -5
And also as well, the world does not play or sing music by the Spirit of God, so why should we draw inspiration from them? Exactly . WHY not just sing cause our HEARTS REJOICE IN THE LORD . Whatever flows out , shall indeed flow out . Christains can write their own songs and invent their own tunes , ALLL ON THEIR OWN .
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Post by Giller on Dec 22, 2019 13:32:28 GMT -5
And also as well, the world does not play or sing music by the Spirit of God, so why should we draw inspiration from them? Exactly . WHY not just sing cause our HEARTS REJOICE IN THE LORD . Whatever flows out , shall indeed flow out . Christains can write their own songs and invent their own tunes , ALLL ON THEIR OWN .
Double amen to that!!!!!!!
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Post by Dezi on Dec 22, 2019 14:44:19 GMT -5
Here is info on Heavy Metal: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music)(...Heavy metal (or simply metal) is a genre of rock music[3] that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s, largely in the United Kingdom.[4] With roots in blues rock, psychedelic rock, and acid rock,[5] the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, massive sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion, extended guitar solos, emphatic beats, and overall loudness. The genre's lyrics and performance styles are sometimes associated with aggression and machismo.[5] In 1968, three of the genre's most famous pioneers, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple were founded.[6] Though they came to attract wide audiences, they were often derided by critics. Following the blueprint laid down by Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, several American bands modified heavy metal into more accessible forms during the 1970s: the raw, sleazy sound and outrageous stage shows of Alice Cooper and Kiss; the blues-rooted rock of Aerosmith; and the flashy guitar leads and wild party rock of Van Halen.[7] During the mid-1970s, Judas Priest helped spur the genre's evolution by discarding much of its blues influence;[8][9] Motörhead introduced a punk rock sensibility and an increasing emphasis on speed. Beginning in the late 1970s, bands in the new wave of British heavy metal such as Iron Maiden and Def Leppard followed in a similar vein. Before the end of the decade, heavy metal fans became known as "metalheads" or "headbangers"....)key words I see here are aggression and machismo, metalheads and headbangers.There is extreme aggression in heavy metal, not just in the way they sing many times screaming, but in the way their music is played.And just by the scriptures showing that David just by playing an instrument, it caused devils to flee, shows that there is a spirit to music, and it does affect people music, there is no doubt about it, it is very spiritual, and you can feel it, it is not an imagined thing.And what heavy metal tends to stir up, whether in what is called Christian circles or not, is headbanging, which does not come from aw inspired reverence towards God, in fact it is aligned with one of the works of the flesh, and here is this work of the flesh:Gal 5:21(21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.Here is the Greek definition of revellings:(Strong's concordance)(...G2970 κῶμος kōmos ko'-mos From G2749; a carousal (as if a letting loose): - revelling, rioting. Total KJV occurrences: 3...)Here is another definition:(Webster's dictionrary)
(Reveling REV'ELING, ppr. Feasting with noisy merriment; carousing. REV'ELING, n. A feasting with noisy merriment; revelry. Gal 5. 1 Pet 4.)
Revelry is unrestrained, it has a party hardy attitude to it, and can cause riots, getting into drunkenness and such like.Revelry is very boisterous in the flesh, and it is the opposite of self control, and self control is one of the fruit of the Spirit.For myself I do not want to listen to garbage and feed my spirit garbage at any time, whether in a service or not, I want the peace of God, and the things of God.It says that they which do such things as revelry will not, not, not, inherit the kingdom of God.
And if we are truly honest, since when does headbanging cause you to think in a humble fashion, for it is not humble, it is aggressive, full of revelry, it is evil.
We do not see them doing that in the bible towards God, but you see people falling before God, kneeling before God and so on and so forth.
What ever happened to modesty?I looked up 'What Does Revelry mean in the Bible and I got this... just wanted to add it here.. Revelry is a wild, fun time. If you enjoy the revelry of a New Year's Eve party, you might pay for partying hard the next day. The noun revelry means merrymaking, but because it comes from the French word reveler meaning to rebel, its tone indicates carousing or noisy partying.
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Post by Dezi on Dec 22, 2019 14:48:51 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you have ever heard John Todd (MK Ultra Survivor) talk about what Pop music has been created to do... but it's very spiritual and the record producers are witches that pray over the music before it's released. It's created to make young people rebellious and many other bad things.
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