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Post by frienduff on Sept 19, 2018 20:44:59 GMT -5
Walking by the letter ONLY means ONE THING . you do as you do to earn or appear righteous . that is it . you trying to establish your own righteousness. LIVING by the SPIRIT , means we do all this , BUT BY HIS POWER and we realize we aint earning it , WE LIVING IT .
we cant earn , BUT WE DONT TRANGRESS we simply have the law on our hearts , IN CHRIST , the SPIRIT writes this on our hearts and in our minds . WE JUST SIMPLY walk in that love and all is fulfilled. So many often accuse others of walking by the letter, JUST CAUSE THEY WARNING out . BIG NO NO , major NO NO. that is not walking by the letter. Telling or reminding Christians TO DO , IS NOT walking by the letter . ITS the SPIRIT at work is what it is . SO many get accused of walking after the letter, FALSELY I must say . I get it so often from others . YET , I KNOW MY LORD , I KNOW HE the only one that saved and changed this thing . But I is a reminder big time . and that is not walking by the letter . ITS walking after the Spirit . I aint seen anyone here , on this site , that is a walking by the letter . I see some errors , yeah , but not that . So lets not throw about this walking after the letter so much . UNLESS one really is .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 19, 2018 20:54:28 GMT -5
ITS real simple . if one is truly born again , THEY BORN OF THE SPIRIT . and they will follow the SPIRIT and LOVE all that JESUS said and DID . JOHN said it best too . and folks often leave one part out . BUT I have come to put a screeching halt on what they leave out . FOR many always say , HE who loves GOD , loves his brother , BUT they forget the part where it says LOVES RIGHTEOUS TOO . YEAH . cant have one without . I see lots of false love going on . Lots of it . LOTS of it . and I mean lots of it . But no worries , WHEN I see it , ITS GONNA get shut down fast . Now , lets all be encouraged . And throw those hands up in the air and praise the LORD .
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Post by tlsitd on Sept 20, 2018 9:26:30 GMT -5
I think this was a very constructive discussion, for everyone to see what everyone else believes about this. Sometimes terms get wrongly applied to people because others think they believe or are doing something for some reason when that isn't actually the case.
The way I see others' responses to these questions is that they are all essentially in agreement, with only slight differences in emphasis and understanding.
Nobody here is a Pharisee for insisting on obedience to God's written word, or lawless for emphasizing living by faith. How to harmonize the two perfectly is the work of the Holy Spirit in each individual. It's possible to focus too much on faith to the dismissal of doctrine, and its possible to focus too much on doctrine in some ways to the exclusion of faith. But the Holy Spirit teaches us how to do both rightly, and I see no reason why we can't encourage each other to do both according to what we believe is important, in love---seeing what others stress not as antithetical to our own position, or an attack on it, but as a reminder of what we may be less focused on but is also important, in order that we may benefit from what each other shares, rather than fighting against each other in defense or promotion of our beliefs against another's.
I also encourage others to do the same thing that I did with this subject: To post questions for everyone to answer in order to see what everyone believes about it. The more understanding of each other's beliefs there is, the less confusion and conflict there will be in discussions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 14:58:16 GMT -5
Why can't women seem to get a break in the Bible?
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 27, 2019 15:06:29 GMT -5
Why can't women seem to get a break in the Bible? Ummmm what exactly do you mean by this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 15:15:13 GMT -5
Why can't women seem to get a break in the Bible? Ummmm what exactly do you mean by this? Here is what I mean: The men get all the power. But they go crazy with it and sometimes it seems like no other men check them. The Lord does, but in the natural, it seems like men can say "submit to me" and get away with it.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 27, 2019 16:15:00 GMT -5
Ummmm what exactly do you mean by this? Here is what I mean: The men get all the power. But they go crazy with it and sometimes it seems like no other men check them. The Lord does, but in the natural, it seems like men can say "submit to me" and get away with it. If you’re asking why men don’t confront other men, I’ll have to leave that to the guys around here. If you’re asking about submitting to unreasonable leaders, even men have to do that. The Bible gives no one a promise of answering only to good leaders in the natural. Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. — 1 Peter 2:18-20
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 16:35:31 GMT -5
Here is what I mean: The men get all the power. But they go crazy with it and sometimes it seems like no other men check them. The Lord does, but in the natural, it seems like men can say "submit to me" and get away with it. If you’re asking why men don’t confront other men, I’ll have to leave that to the guys around here. If you’re asking about submitting to unreasonable leaders, even men have to do that. The Bible gives no one a promise of answering only to good leaders in the natural. Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. — 1 Peter 2:18-20Thank you. This helped me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 16:39:09 GMT -5
WHAT IS FAITH?
(I'm going to open up this can of worms, and pray that God brings good out of it. It's in His hands.)
This what I believe about faith.
There are four kinds of faith:
SAVING FAITH - The God-given ability to believe in Jesus Christ with our heart (spirit), which results in spiritual regeneration (being born again/saved), and is by the power of God (grace) that draws us to God and enables us to believe unto salvation, which belief He also sustains by grace.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Ephesians 2:8,9)
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Hebrews 11:1)
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time...Though you have not seen Him, you love Him. Though you do not now see Him, you believe in Him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls. (1 Peter 1:3-5, 8,9)
THE CHRISTIAN FAITH - The doctrine and religion of Christianity.
...One Lord, one faith, one baptism... (Ephesians 4:5)
...Strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God. (Acts 14:22)
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 3)
Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. (Titus 1:13,14)
TRUSTING FAITH - Trust in God.
This is general trust in God to do what He says He will do in His word and in His sovereignty and character, according to what is written about Him in the same word, which we have in Him as we go about our lives: Trusting God to do what is best for us, or to keep us safe, or to provide for our needs day to day.
"But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?" (Matthew 6:30)
PERSONAL FAITH - The knowledge and conviction of God's truth and of His will for us personally about a particular thing.
This kind of faith encompasses a variety of things, from our conviction about Scriptural truth (knowing with certainty that something is correct and true), to how we live out the teachings of the Scriptures, to personal knowledge of something that God is going to do that He makes known to our spirit by revelation and conviction. It's the same kind of faith by which we are saved, just working for different purposes.
Matters of personal faith may not be contained in the Scriptures (such as knowing that it is God's will to marry someone, or to work or live in a particular place, or that a particular person needs prayer), but its convictions will never contradict the teachings of God's word, because both come from the same Spirit, and God doesn't contradict Himself.
If God gives us the faith to know something He is going to do by personal revelation and conviction, He acts according to what He makes known. (This is the kind of faith that can potentially move a mountain or enable a person to walk on water; it's more than the general trusting God kind of faith. I can trust God with all of my heart, but if I step out onto a lake, I'm most likely going to sink, unless I know for sure that God wants me to step out there and is going to enable me to stand on the water, which He would have to make known to me and assure me of by His Spirit before I'd do it. God does act according to our trust in Him to do things sometimes when we don't have such a conviction, but it's not guaranteed that He is going to do what we are trusting Him for---such as healing a loved one who is dying. He might or He might not.)
By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible. (Hebrews 11:3)
By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. (Hebrews 11:7)
By faith Joseph, at the end of his life, made mention of the exodus of the Israelites and gave instructions about his bones. (Hebrews 11:22)
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables...One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself and none of us dies to himself. If we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. (Romans 14:1,2,5-8)
The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself by what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. (Romans 14:22,23)
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2:15,16) That discernment and knowledge of God's will is what directs (or should direct) how every Christian lives day to day, the judgments we make by the guidance and conviction of the Holy Spirit---the mind of Christ: How we dress, what we say to others and how we say it, what we do with our time, the choices we make about various things, what we feed our eyes and ears and how we treat our bodies---as well as personal callings or ministries, doing what we know God wants us to do in the way He wants us to.
All of the "faith" described in the Bible falls under one of those four categories, although there may be some overlap in some places. I think these four cover everything. It's important to know what kind of faith the Bible is speaking of when we read it, as that understanding affects what we believe the Scriptures teach about things; and confusing or confounding one kind of faith with another when we read the Bible is problematic both for our understanding of the Scriptures' teachings, and also how we act according to our beliefs about what they teach that faith is and how it works.
Praise God, I think I have all four!
Four is a good number for me.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 28, 2019 11:05:23 GMT -5
If any desires power for the sake of power , they have no idea what they are doing . NO man should seek the power to LORD over or to be seen or recognized of men . IF inwardly any has a secrete desire for power , THEY BETTER instead seek ONLY HE WHO HOLDS ALL POWER . For we are naught but mere wee things that should rejoice in the LORD and follow HIS pattern , HIS instruction , His ORDER in all things . I have seen folks try and go around that order , And have no idea they reap destruction unto themselves . Let every man , woman and child learn and love the pattern of Christ and of the apostels . let not men try and play as women and let not women try and play as though a man . For all who do so sow to vanity and will reap the whirlwind . Now , I want everyone to put those hand up and praise the Lord
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:33:00 GMT -5
If any desires power for the sake of power , they have no idea what they are doing . NO man should seek the power to LORD over or to be seen or recognized of men . IF inwardly any has a secrete desire for power , THEY BETTER instead seek ONLY HE WHO HOLDS ALL POWER . For we are naught but mere wee things that should rejoice in the LORD and follow HIS pattern , HIS instruction , His ORDER in all things . I have seen folks try and go around that order , And have no idea they reap destruction unto themselves . Let every man , woman and child learn and love the pattern of Christ and of the apostels . let not men try and play as women and let not women try and play as though a man . For all who do so sow to vanity and will reap the whirlwind . Now , I want everyone to put those hand up and praise the Lord Praise His Holy name!
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Post by Cletus on Feb 28, 2019 13:40:02 GMT -5
Ummmm what exactly do you mean by this? Here is what I mean: The men get all the power. But they go crazy with it and sometimes it seems like no other men check them. The Lord does, but in the natural, it seems like men can say "submit to me" and get away with it. lets begin with what you said... "in the natural." put that in the back of your mind as the pretext of what i am going to say...
there are so very many aspects to this, so many angles and you didnt really give an example so i will try to explain this from my experience.
I used to be violent. when God saved me that was one of the first things he took from me, and i didnt even know it until months later. I was walking down the road with someone, we were like brothers. if one of us had problems and called the other... we were there boot laces tied tight and ready to get our feet wet. by wet i do not mean water. anyway, we were walking down the road and he wanted me to go somewhere with him, to hurt some one(very probably). as we talked i reasoned in myself, well this guy didnt really do anything to get tuned up, at the least. my words reflected this. my buddy said man what happened to you, you done got soft. we parted ways and not to many steps farther it hit me... God took it from me. I am not that way anymore. I am a new creature.
I am very strong also. I used to be a body builder. not as swole up as i used to be but still stronger than two men. I have the strength to grab a hold of someone and turn them every which way but loose. as God began to move in my life i saw even my size and presence demands respect, and if i just raised my voice a little, not even in a threatening way, just showing i was discontent... others felt threatened. when i saw this i was humbled. I decided gentleness and softly spoken words were more important that i previously thought. this is The LORDS doing in my heart.
God began showing me the ways of ... in the natural... are not His ways. He even showed me there is a way to lead when we are being submissive to another. another way to say it is to lead by following. the concept is hard to grasp at first. but a little practice and you catch on fast. some men are like an old fiddle. takes a lot of effort to tune... but once you do it plays real pretty. and they think they are the ones with the grand idea. and they will take all the credit. and the whole time you just sit back and inside... smile. on the outside you nod and say thats a spectacular idea.
in the natural is not Gods ways. God is about order. if we allow ourselves to be ruled by our fallen nature and our testosterone its real had to please God. there is a certain level of civility and respect that must be maintained or chaos will follow. If God had not taken my malicious nature i would have never been able to grasp these concepts or grow into it. there is a real fine line of what is acceptable and whats not between man and man, each man has his own boundary on that also. females may understand males pretty well, but seeing it and having testosterone in you are different. to some men just stepping on his boot is enough to set him off, even if it was an accident and apology was given.... and dont dare touch his hat. lol. the natural man is stiffnecked, and even for a born again believer if we allow ourselves to be offended and let anger reside in our hearts, even for a moment, that fallen nature can poke its head up... like a snake in the river.
Pro 27:12 A prudent man seeth the evil, and hideth himself; But the simple pass on, and suffer for it.
as a man, it was a long time and a very hard time for me to come to the knowledge that meekness is not weakness.
its an awesome thing to have the strength, ability and know how... and know you can break someone into pieces that has done you wrong or does not behave right... but be able to say I will honor God, and let God have His way. there are however certain circumstances where i would intervene and not loose any sleep over it. there is a time and season for everything under the sun.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:53:30 GMT -5
Here is what I mean: The men get all the power. But they go crazy with it and sometimes it seems like no other men check them. The Lord does, but in the natural, it seems like men can say "submit to me" and get away with it. lets begin with what you said... "in the natural." put that in the back of your mind as the pretext of what i am going to say...
there are so very many aspects to this, so many angles and you didnt really give an example so i will try to explain this from my experience.
I used to be violent. when God saved me that was one of the first things he took from me, and i didnt even know it until months later. I was walking down the road with someone, we were like brothers. if one of us had problems and called the other... we were there boot laces tied tight and ready to get our feet wet. by wet i do not mean water. anyway, we were walking down the road and he wanted me to go somewhere with him, to hurt some one(very probably). as we talked i reasoned in myself, well this guy didnt really do anything to get tuned up, at the least. my words reflected this. my buddy said man what happened to you, you done got soft. we parted ways and not to many steps farther it hit me... God took it from me. I am not that way anymore. I am a new creature.
I am very strong also. I used to be a body builder. not as swole up as i used to be but still stronger than two men. I have the strength to grab a hold of someone and turn them every which way but loose. as God began to move in my life i saw even my size and presence demands respect, and if i just raised my voice a little, not even in a threatening way, just showing i was discontent... others felt threatened. when i saw this i was humbled. I decided gentleness and softly spoken words were more important that i previously thought. this is The LORDS doing in my heart.
God began showing me the ways of ... in the natural... are not His ways. He even showed me there is a way to lead when we are being submissive to another. another way to say it is to lead by following. the concept is hard to grasp at first. but a little practice and you catch on fast. some men are like an old fiddle. takes a lot of effort to tune... but once you do it plays real pretty. and they think they are the ones with the grand idea. and they will take all the credit. and the whole time you just sit back and inside... smile. on the outside you nod and say thats a spectacular idea.
in the natural is not Gods ways. God is about order. if we allow ourselves to be ruled by our fallen nature and our testosterone its real had to please God. there is a certain level of civility and respect that must be maintained or chaos will follow. If God had not taken my malicious nature i would have never been able to grasp these concepts or grow into it. there is a real fine line of what is acceptable and whats not between man and man, each man has his own boundary on that also. females may understand males pretty well, but seeing it and having testosterone in you are different. to some men just stepping on his boot is enough to set him off, even if it was an accident and apology was given.... and dont dare touch his hat. lol. the natural man is stiffnecked, and even for a born again believer if we allow ourselves to be offended and let anger reside in our hearts, even for a moment, that fallen nature can poke its head up... like a snake in the river.
Pro 27:12 A prudent man seeth the evil, and hideth himself; But the simple pass on, and suffer for it.
as a man, it was a long time and a very hard time for me to come to the knowledge that meekness is not weakness.
its an awesome thing to have the strength, ability and know how... and know you can break someone into pieces that has done you wrong or does not behave right... but be able to say I will honor God, and let God have His way. there are however certain circumstances where i would intervene and not loose any sleep over it. there is a time and season for everything under the sun.
Sounds complicated but I get the jist of it. Really, I do. It's just that it seems some of the fruit seems forbidden from me. Especially a woman in my situation. I feel very repressed? Idk held back from some of the gifts.
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Post by Cletus on Feb 28, 2019 14:18:11 GMT -5
lets begin with what you said... "in the natural." put that in the back of your mind as the pretext of what i am going to say...
there are so very many aspects to this, so many angles and you didnt really give an example so i will try to explain this from my experience.
I used to be violent. when God saved me that was one of the first things he took from me, and i didnt even know it until months later. I was walking down the road with someone, we were like brothers. if one of us had problems and called the other... we were there boot laces tied tight and ready to get our feet wet. by wet i do not mean water. anyway, we were walking down the road and he wanted me to go somewhere with him, to hurt some one(very probably). as we talked i reasoned in myself, well this guy didnt really do anything to get tuned up, at the least. my words reflected this. my buddy said man what happened to you, you done got soft. we parted ways and not to many steps farther it hit me... God took it from me. I am not that way anymore. I am a new creature.
I am very strong also. I used to be a body builder. not as swole up as i used to be but still stronger than two men. I have the strength to grab a hold of someone and turn them every which way but loose. as God began to move in my life i saw even my size and presence demands respect, and if i just raised my voice a little, not even in a threatening way, just showing i was discontent... others felt threatened. when i saw this i was humbled. I decided gentleness and softly spoken words were more important that i previously thought. this is The LORDS doing in my heart.
God began showing me the ways of ... in the natural... are not His ways. He even showed me there is a way to lead when we are being submissive to another. another way to say it is to lead by following. the concept is hard to grasp at first. but a little practice and you catch on fast. some men are like an old fiddle. takes a lot of effort to tune... but once you do it plays real pretty. and they think they are the ones with the grand idea. and they will take all the credit. and the whole time you just sit back and inside... smile. on the outside you nod and say thats a spectacular idea.
in the natural is not Gods ways. God is about order. if we allow ourselves to be ruled by our fallen nature and our testosterone its real had to please God. there is a certain level of civility and respect that must be maintained or chaos will follow. If God had not taken my malicious nature i would have never been able to grasp these concepts or grow into it. there is a real fine line of what is acceptable and whats not between man and man, each man has his own boundary on that also. females may understand males pretty well, but seeing it and having testosterone in you are different. to some men just stepping on his boot is enough to set him off, even if it was an accident and apology was given.... and dont dare touch his hat. lol. the natural man is stiffnecked, and even for a born again believer if we allow ourselves to be offended and let anger reside in our hearts, even for a moment, that fallen nature can poke its head up... like a snake in the river.
Pro 27:12 A prudent man seeth the evil, and hideth himself; But the simple pass on, and suffer for it.
as a man, it was a long time and a very hard time for me to come to the knowledge that meekness is not weakness.
its an awesome thing to have the strength, ability and know how... and know you can break someone into pieces that has done you wrong or does not behave right... but be able to say I will honor God, and let God have His way. there are however certain circumstances where i would intervene and not loose any sleep over it. there is a time and season for everything under the sun.
Sounds complicated but I get the jist of it. Really, I do. It's just that it seems some of the fruit seems forbidden from me. Especially a woman in my situation. I feel very repressed? Idk held back from some of the gifts. what i would encourage you to do on this is find a group of christian women, women who are older in the group also. who will have wisdom above your years. voice this to them. a good example of what i speak on is what PG4Him said... she would leave it to the males to comment on. I will do the same on this... as i have zero experience on God raising me up to be a woman. but i think you should find good spirit filled christian women to fellowship with and council with. there is safety in a multitude of counselors and iron sharpens iron. its not easy when you are growing up into who God is molding and shaping you to be, especially when we tr to do this on our own.
on this forum there are some ladies that i think could be very beneficial to you. PG4Him seems to be a good resource maturity in women, i would say due to how she words things and the content... I think she is a good teacher. I suspect really all the women on this forum would be good to hear in this. i have never read any words of any women here that pertained to women that wasnt making me say, oh thats good. but still i would pray God puts you with some women in life. to meet them and fellowship. it might take a while for paths to cross. but just keep asking. sometimes a different perspective can help in the ways we feel inadequate. sometimes we are just not seeing a small part that changes everything.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 28, 2019 15:09:40 GMT -5
Tabitha3319 I truly don’t want you to feel like any woman here looks down on you. We tell you the truth because we care for you, but we don’t think we’re better than you. God can use a woman in your situation. We don’t see you as damaged goods no longer fit for kingdom work. You don’t need a better marriage to give you access to God’s anointing. Good male friends you can rely on, defintely, but you don’t ‘need’ a good marriage to make you valuable in the kingdom. Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. — 1 Peter 3:1-2There’s nothing that says you can’t do this from a distance. You can be a chaste and blameless wife with or without your husband living with you. Many wives throughout history were separated from their husbands for a variety of reasons, be it military service, prison, immigration, or what have you. Those women didn’t conduct themselves as being single. They were faithful wives whether their husbands could see it or not. If you can’t be faithful to the ‘man’ you should be faithful to the vow. This puts to silence any attempt to blame you, and it heaps spiritual coals on his head. If you actually want God to convict this man unto repentance for the sake of his soul, the last thing you need to do is muddy the waters, cloud the blame, renounce your commitment, and absolve him of having to deal with you. Then you won’t be heaping coals on anyone. It sends a message to God that spiritual judgment need not happen because you took care of it yourself and cut ties with him. God can use you exactly where you are to bring shame upon this man. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but in the end. That’s the vow you took, to be this man’s helpmeet and contend for his soul, whether he appreciates it or not. While we were yet sinners Christ died for us. You want access to God’s anointing? You want access to gifts? Here’s your first ministry field. Charity begins in the home. God can anoint you for such a time as this to work wonders through your life. If you have specific questions about men or women according to the Bible, you can ask them in the Christian Living section here.
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