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Post by PG4Him on Sept 14, 2018 8:43:06 GMT -5
We see many examples of a Bible principle taken to extremes. These cases always result in damage.
Example: Catholics take Paul's words on marriage in 1 Corinthians 7 and use it to ban marriage in the priesthood. Noble intention, bad execution. An epidemic of sexual abuse ravages the priesthood.
Example: Cessationists take Hebrews 1:1 as proof that God no longer prophetically speaks through dreams or other supernatural methods. Christians with prophetic gifts are smeared as witches.
Example: The Bible says "honor your parents." The preacher extends it to "honor them whether they're kind to you or not, no whining, no excuses." The parent says "I am absolved of having to earn my child's approval." Children become the parent's property for chores around the house, vicarious trophies, and compliments from strangers. The child must obey lest he be found not honoring his father.
Rightly dividing the word is no joke.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 14, 2018 9:01:36 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I do understand Sister Light's conceptual argument. By no means should any Christian blatantly disregard an obvious Scriptural teaching to do what he wants to do -- and it's despicable to hide his ambitions behind a smokescreen of alleged prophetic mandate. I believe this is the essence of taking God's name in vain. Sometimes Christians do that. We ought not defend that type of behavior. But then the question comes down to what Scripture teaches and how God applies it. The Ten Commandments say "thou shalt not kill," but God sent Joshua on a genocide campaign across Palestine, and He even punished Saul later for keeping livestock. We must be careful that we don't turn certain verses into stifling axioms that even God Himself cannot work around. I do have one reservation about how far God allows sin to go in a Christian's life. Jesus clearly tells us we will know a prophet by his fruit. If the fruits of Galatians 5 are manifest in a prophet's life, then how can we disregard Jesus telling us to judge him by it? A huge point to remember . and let us all REMEMBER . many people have fell prey to the prosperitiy gospel . and Became ever so rich and holler out they blessed and praise God for making them rich . ONLY have no idea that GOD simply allowed them the deception of their own heart , HE answered them according to the idols of their heart and while they were made rich they are POOR and in darkness and know it not . Their is who increases his riches and yet is made poor . And their are men and women too who have done the worst by casting aside their spouse and FEELING oh yes , this other one was made just for me . And they too appear to have blessings , KNOWING NOT , that paul would have called one an adulterer and adulteress , so long as that first spouse was LIVING . they in adultery and yet KNOW IT NOT . For many have forgotten , GOD does give the desires of the heart to those who love HIM and those who hate him . HE WILL DO IT . And its nothing to be taken lightly . IF GOD truly puts a desire on our heart , WE WILL KNOW its from HIM , FOR IT Will never trod THE WORD under foot . Let us all deeply remember this and let us all daily examine whether we walk in the faith . And if we walk in the faith , we HONOR the SON , we keep and we love those sayings . Let us all , me , you and everyone , REMEMBER WHO the LORD IS and that IT is HE who is Creator and that our whole duty is to keep what our LORD said guarded in our heart by the POWER of the Holy Spirit . IF we let things slip , then error will only beget more error . Remember , IT IS HE who is LORD and not us and its HIM we put first and not us . This is a reminder to us all . Whether we know it or not , WE need reminding daily .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 14, 2018 9:14:40 GMT -5
IF a prophet has been deceived , I the LORD have deceived that prophet .
THIS is no joke or to be taken lightly . And false men who lead churches , ARE The punishment of those who have no LOVE for GOD and under these men will sit . the heart is wicked above all things . And the heart will sit under what it does so desire . BUT IF a heart is truly of the LORD , then his lambs will sit under NO such creatures . They will not heed , follow , desire , no such creature for their heart desires this one treasure , and that treasure is nothing created , nothing on earth that can be seen of men . THIER TREASURE IS JESUS , and the cost of losing all this earth does hold is seen as only gain . Their is a huge cost to following the LORD , and yet those who LOVE HIM , will see it only a JOY whether or not they lose everything . SO THIS HUGE COST , oh its not heavy , ITS A JOY to the SOUL , a rejoicing of the soul no matter what comes against it , FOR No loss, no threat , no persecution , not even death , can separate them FROM THE LAMB and knowing that IS THE JOY that keeps on giving no matter what comes against them . DOES this in any way makes sense to the carnal mind , NO WAY no HOW , but DO remember , the peace of the LORD passes all understanding FOR that peace remains through any trial . and men and women by nature not only worry about loss or threat , or persecution , THEY JUSTIFY It like saying , HEY that is human nature . TO those I say this , YES IT IS human nature to fear loss, yes it is human nature to fear death yes is it human nature to desire more , BUT IS IT NOT human carnal nature , WE PUT TO DEATH by THE POWER OF THE RISEN savoir . OH yes , may that sink in deep today .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 14, 2018 9:24:13 GMT -5
MAY the lambs of the LORD all mighty , KNOW and UNDERSTAND That HE is not called omnipresent for no reason . HE knows all OH HE KNOWS ALL , SEES ALL , no matter how well hidden it is to men , IT IS NOT HIDDEN to HIS LIGHT TO THE EYES of the LORD , their is nothing hidden and men shall even give account for every idle work spoken. For by even thy words you shall be justified or condemened . THE LORD knows why we do , even if one deceives themselves and others , GOD KNOWS . HE KNOWS EVERYTHING . FOLLOW the LAMB and you shall not fall away . SEEK HIM while HE may be found and if any is in error , YOU who are spiritual Correct and correct fast . with the mindset TOMORROW IS NOT guaranteed . And he who converts the sinner from the error of his ways , has indeed saved a soul from death and covered a multitude of sins . It is not only TIME its HIGH TIME we go back into bibles and fast . FOR IF we truly seek the LORD , HE will give us all we need in him that pertains to life and godliness . HE will teach us, HIS SPIRIT will instruct us , and the bible sound doctrine will make us wise unto salvation . But if we simply trust in men , WE WILL BE DECIEVED , for many , oh no man can number them , MANY deceivers abound now and not only do they abound their deceptions have went from bad to worse and now the worst of it all , is getting taught under the largest assimilation of men to unify as one But the message of assimiliatoin they preach has long cast sound doctrine aside for this sake of unity, MAKING IT the largest DISSMULATOIN FROM GOD . AND assimilation RIGHT TO THE BEAST they are headed . ITS bad . I am warning us all , this is major bad news and it wont end well for those who go under it .
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Post by tlsitd on Sept 14, 2018 9:36:40 GMT -5
We see many examples of a Bible principle taken to extremes. These cases always result in damage. Example: Catholics take Paul's words on marriage in 1 Corinthians 7 and use it to ban marriage in the priesthood. Noble intention, bad execution. An epidemic of sexual abuse ravages the priesthood. Example: Cessationists take Hebrews 1:1 as proof that God no longer prophetically speaks through dreams or other supernatural methods. Christians with prophetic gifts are smeared as witches. Example: The Bible says "honor your parents." The preacher extends it to "honor them whether they're kind to you or not, no whining, no excuses." The parent says "I am absolved of having to earn my child's approval." Children become the parent's property for chores around the house, vicarious trophies, and compliments from strangers. The child must obey lest he be found not honoring his father. Rightly dividing the word is no joke. All good points, and error can happen in either direction. As I said in my last post, I firmly believe that the attitude and motives of the Christian's heart, and what he or she is doing with what he or she knows and believes to be correct from the Scriptures, to honor God, is the key factor in determining how much correct doctrine he or she learns from God when he or she reads His word. When this is not as it should be, the Christian is much more likely to err in either direction. Focusing on correct doctrine won't help much if you don't focus on the heart of the Christian also. Wrong doctrine---either the teaching or the following of it---often results from having the wrong attitude, wrong motives, and from failing to apply the truth one already understands faithfully. That is why I am forever admonishing others to examine their hearts and their ways honestly before God if they are seeking the understanding of His word in order to do His will.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 14, 2018 9:41:52 GMT -5
We see many examples of a Bible principle taken to extremes. These cases always result in damage. Example: Catholics take Paul's words on marriage in 1 Corinthians 7 and use it to ban marriage in the priesthood. Noble intention, bad execution. An epidemic of sexual abuse ravages the priesthood. Example: Cessationists take Hebrews 1:1 as proof that God no longer prophetically speaks through dreams or other supernatural methods. Christians with prophetic gifts are smeared as witches. Example: The Bible says "honor your parents." The preacher extends it to "honor them whether they're kind to you or not, no whining, no excuses." The parent says "I am absolved of having to earn my child's approval." Children become the parent's property for chores around the house, vicarious trophies, and compliments from strangers. The child must obey lest he be found not honoring his father. Rightly dividing the word is no joke. You better believe they do this . but test everyone who does that , and you will find that they often make void OTHERPARTS as well and do not KEEP those . they over emphasize and condmen , yet they themselves keep not and yet say KEEP . Example the catholics you spoke of who took that to the extreme , LOOK at what they do , THE BOW TO IMAGES , SOMETHING GOD actually said NOT TO DO . YET where did paul ever say that a bishop or deacon MUST HAVE NO WIFE . in fact he said LET the deacons and bishops be the husband of ONE WIFE . THEY lie and force a lie unto all , and the result was as you said CATASTROPHIC. and yet the whole while they bow to images , bow to man. You do know what that caused sister , but did you also know this , they got so hung up on it , that they also put gay men into priesthood , knowingthey would remain celibit , YAH . talk about error begets only more error . And notice n Hebrews one , it speaks no such thing about the gifts dissapperaing , IT IS SIMPLY POINTING TO JESUS . whome the prophets all did anyway . Its like a madhouse these days . Heck we even got some who teach spiritual fornication for the good of gays . ITS a small group, but the mindset was have gay men sleep with gay women , purge the gay out of them. NOW HOW DUMB IS THAT . and Last I checked , FORNICATION is STILL SIN . I mean folks get carried away with some of the most strange and diverse doctrine , FOR THIER HEART is not established IN GRACE .
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 14, 2018 9:45:43 GMT -5
“Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free.” (Ephesians 6:5-8)
“Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve. For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality.” (Colossians 3:22-25)
“Masters, grant to your slaves justice and fairness, knowing that you too have a Master in heaven.” (Colossians 4:1)
It is possible for a Christian to be promoted in the workplace as a witness to God’s glory and for the benefit of Christian employees, while the man himself is giving no thought to his personal gain. Sometimes Christians really do just want to serve the Lord.
Anyway, I sense a losing battle here, so I’m logging off for a while. See you all later!
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Post by frienduff on Sept 14, 2018 9:46:25 GMT -5
Yeah they tried to make the unpure , pure by saying it was for a good cause . BE ON GUARD to anyone who does that , YOU IN GRAVE DANGER if you try and make what is unclean , unpure , as pure . I HOPE this does sink in real deep today . We cant cleans what is lust by trying to justify it as pure in any way . Folks this is no good . and we better be on guard . JESUS said what goes into a man does not defile the man, ITS WHAT comes out of his heart that defiles HIM. THIS IS WHY we don't argue over meats and drinks . BUT LUST , is a whole nother thing .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 14, 2018 9:51:40 GMT -5
FOR LUST comes from within , and defiles the man . Lust is not a meats and drinks conscious thing , that we can justify . an example . if I came on trying to justify the love of money well , if in my heart I desired to for the good of GOD . yep I am deceiving myself . IF I come on and try and justify any lust. Lets say I was a man who had struggled in the lust of masturbation and then come on and say WELL its okay so long as while doing it our mind is pure . THAT is sin period . OR say I was gay or not , yet came on saying well so long as they get married then its pure , OH NO WAY NO HOW . but the mind can be deceived . IF we find ourselves in this , WE BETTER repent fast . for lust is lust and it comes from within . IT Is not as meats and drinks or days , Which simply are how one worships GOD or abstains and worships GOD . the act of lust is not well pleasing in HIS SIGHT at all . Now , let each examine themselves and if any is in error , SIMPLY REPENT . IF the error is ceased , ARE THEY NOT restored . But justify error , and oh dear more error will follow in time .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 14, 2018 9:55:40 GMT -5
To be honest I have been so worried the last few days for one who is among us . And its not because I don't love the said person . its because I seen justification of error . No need to name names . IF only this one would just come on and admit their error , or at least do it in private , oh how things could be repaired so fast . WE cannot justify lust at any thing . My heart has got so heavy and sad for this person , I cant even keep company or see their post without remembering it and just being so worried for them .
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Post by tlsitd on Sept 14, 2018 10:11:37 GMT -5
“Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free.” (Ephesians 6:5-8) “Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve. For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality.” (Colossians 3:22-25) “Masters, grant to your slaves justice and fairness, knowing that you too have a Master in heaven.” (Colossians 4:1) It is possible for a Christian to be promoted in the workplace as a witness to God’s glory and for the benefit of Christian employees, while the man himself is giving no thought to his personal gain. Sometimes Christians really do just want to serve the Lord. Anyway, I sense a losing battle here, so I’m logging off for a while. See you all later! (I'm not sure why you keep coming back to this particular issue, sister. I thought that was fully discussed and resolved a long time ago, both on this thread and the thread in the Finance forum. I think you're fighting/reacting to perceived opposition rather than actual in this matter.)
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Post by 2fw8212a on Sept 14, 2018 10:12:25 GMT -5
...so how on earth can borrowing be a sin? Well I will leave it at that....just please go and have another look sister. I do not believe borrowing is a sin.
"For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying, ‘You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land.’" - Deuteronomy 15:11
"For the Lord your God will bless you just as He promised you; you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow; you shall reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over you." - Deuteronomy 15:6
The mistake is to mistreat people who want to borrow from you. That is sin.
"Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away." - Matthew 5:42
Then, to those who want to judge those who are borrowing... Well, stop judging and help those who are in need, and in real need.
"And He said to them, “Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses.”" - Luke 12:15
Then, yes, I believe the reason you are borrowing must need to be investigated and carefully thought about.
"I have been young, and now am old; Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken, Nor his descendants begging bread." - Psalm 37:25
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Post by tlsitd on Sept 14, 2018 10:15:37 GMT -5
To be honest I have been so worried the last few days for one who is among us . And its not because I don't love the said person . its because I seen justification of error . No need to name names . IF only this one would just come on and admit their error , or at least do it in private , oh how things could be repaired so fast . WE cannot justify lust at any thing . My heart has got so heavy and sad for this person , I cant even keep company or see their post without remembering it and just being so worried for them . I know it, brother. I don't really know what to say about that. I did give you the best explanation I could, both privately and on that thread, where I explained it. It's one of those matters of personal faith that every Christian has to do according to his or her own conscience toward the Lord in, and not contrary to or for any other reason.
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Post by tlsitd on Sept 14, 2018 11:10:51 GMT -5
I can't go beyond what the Scriptures teach to condemn or forbid something outright that they don't condemn or forbid outright because people believe that thing is wrong and unacceptable, any more than I can go beyond the Scriptures to approve something that they do condemn or forbid because people believe that thing is right or acceptable.
I can't apply or extend the teachings about a certain thing to something they don't actually or necessarily include or pertain to just because other people have a strong personal conviction about that particular thing and believe that it's a sin---or that it's right.
While it grieves my heart greatly to know that a brother or sister may be grieved because they believe that I am promoting or approving sin, I can't go against my own conscience toward God to please theirs when it comes to doctrine. This has never been my practice, and it never will be.
We should be extremely cautious about sin, but at the same time, we shouldn't make black and white issues that are not black and white according to Scripture, based on our own personal convictions or feelings about a thing, and impose those convictions on others. Those sorts of things have to be dealt with according to what the New Testament teaches about disputable matters of personal faith, by each individual.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 14, 2018 14:39:38 GMT -5
Well the lights . see it for what it is . And I want you to ponder deeply what gets said next . You came on bashing the all get out of tongues in this day and age , Yet defend that . Sister all I was trying to do was help you see something . But you trenched into you just cant be wrong . even though you constantly try and affirm us all you don't have that attitude . SISTER , LUST IS SIN , but not all tongues are evil . You got this backwards and big time . Remember what letters said . HE PRAYED TO GOD about it , AND THE LORD TOOK that evil lust from him . EVER THOUGHT for even a bit , YOU MIGHT DO THE SAME instead of justifying it . You in way more danger than you realize . And to be honest most folks would rather close an eye to this , and maybe squeak squint at it with the other eye . But if I the only one sounding the danger both in private and in public to you , might be a bit harder for you to see it . Sister I am so feared for you . If even an angel appeared and revealed this danger to you , you wont hear it . DO two things , YOU CEASE that act ASAP and never once justify it again .
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