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Post by 777 on Mar 9, 2020 9:18:18 GMT -5
Here is a good reminder . Goodness towards thee , IF you continue IN HIS GOODNESS , otherwise ye shall but cut off . YES all reminders , all warnings and all promises are for the good of our soul . Bring many reminders my friends . lambs love truth . That is true, and the goats hate those reminders and exhortations, and are quick to attack you when you bring them. Instead of appreciating them, they seek to silence you.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 9:20:39 GMT -5
At times even Christians try to get victory through the flesh, and then God has to bring them back on track to faith in Christ. How does one do that? Well sometimes Christians do not always see how to properly put their faith in God for victory, and thus they struggle, we do not struggle with a sin, because we properly put our faith in God, we struggle with a sin, because there is something that was off a bit somewhere. When we get selfish, we get in the flesh, and if we do not deal with that selfishness, you can try to have victory all you want, the victory will not be truly there, the bible says this: Jas 4:7 (7) Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Many times true Christians forget the first part, and try to resist the devil, without having done the first part. And no I am not advocating at all, to get in the flesh, I am just showing a reality that we as being true Christians sometimes get in the flesh. And we have to be honest about this, for if we say we have no sin then the truth is not in us.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 9:23:10 GMT -5
IN JESUS we have the victory , now let all continue IN HIM . SOUND THOSE PRAISES OUT TO THE LORD . POINT to HIM and all HIS SAYINGS and to all the apostels would later write as well . Amen, but still, we are told we must resist the devil, and he will flee. We have victory in Jesus, but we must walk in that victory. This is exactly what I am trying to show. Yes we may all know the term of having victory in Christ, but now we have to know how to walk in that victory, it is not just knowing the term, but learning how to properly put our faith in God for victory, and to grow in this. To actually put our faith in action.
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Post by 777 on Mar 9, 2020 9:27:16 GMT -5
I think I understand. In my efforts to get closer to God this year, I gave up all secular music. But in the process of writing Christian songs, the Holy Spirit encouraged me to go back and listen to certain select ones to clean from the measures that really spoke to me the most. I gave up all romance stories, movies, etc even Christian ones. But the Bible pictures Christ as a Bridegroom and the Church as a Bride. The Lord encouraged me to think about it. My conscience is still kind of weak. But is that what you mean? At first, maybe it's natural to cling to blanket rules and boundaries. But when you get used to being led by the Spirit, it's easier to recognize when you're given permission to do something or not. Yes.....and of course we never do wrong to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, the word of God and our consciences. Following Jesus, carrying our cross is even how we grow and buy more oil for our lamps, counting the cost. Just that it does seem to be a matter of growing in the Lord, going on to perfection and building on the foundation (conception) until the building is complete (born of the Spirit), is kind of how I'm seeing it. Crossing not only the Red Sea but the Jordan as well, to enter into His rest. The sabbath rest that remains for the people of God which we are labouring to enter. Growing from slaves/children tutored by the 'law' (not under it though, as believers) to friends and being a freewill bondslave, and bride (from which union sonship is birthed)....something along those lines. I think I know what you are saying and why. We do continue to grow, hopefully anyway. I think that continues throughout our pilgrimage. I do believe the new birth is instantaneous, and from that moment on, we are no longer a slave to sin, but that doesn't mean that the Lord stops refining the rough edges. He is the potter, and we are clay.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Mar 9, 2020 9:29:09 GMT -5
At times even Christians try to get victory through the flesh, and then God has to bring them back on track to faith in Christ. How does one do that? I think coming up with random unbiblical rules like never listening to secular music can be an example of that sometimes. It's possible to move your focus from obedience to Christ to simply avoiding sin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 9:31:02 GMT -5
I also believe that we do not have to sin 24 hours a day, otherwise there would not be victory in Christ. The bible says this: Rom 6:11-12 (11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. (12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. We are able to not let sin reign in our mortal bodies, for it says so. Heb 4:15 (15) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. And even though we do not have to sin, and have victory in Christ, that does not mean that there aren't Christians who struggle at times with sin. And these Christians do not want to sin, for they do not seek to go after the way of sin, just have a harder time with getting victory over this one or that one. Now we do have victory in Christ Jesus, but also we are continuously growing in Christ Jesus, and there are some who are genuinely Christian which have a hard time walking in victory in certain areas. And even though we do not have to sin, we know as Christians that it happens from time to time. And in those times we need to confess them before God, and yes we are being continuously sanctified, that is truth, and if not, it is because you are not growing, and that is not a good sign. Yes, I'm just talking about growing and reaching for that more excellent way.....which is based on love rather than duty and being slaves to fear....perfect love casting out that fear.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 9:33:46 GMT -5
I think coming up with random unbiblical rules like never listening to secular music can be an example of that sometimes. It's possible to move your focus from obedience to Christ to simply avoiding sin. Yes our focus for victory must be on Christ, but in saying this the bible does say this: Rom 12:2 (2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. The world should not be transforming us, but rather the word of God. And sometimes you can actually have lack of victory, by allowing yourself to being conformed to this world.
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Post by 777 on Mar 9, 2020 9:33:51 GMT -5
Well sometimes Christians do not always see how to properly put their faith in God for victory, and thus they struggle, we do not struggle with a sin, because we properly put our faith in God, we struggle with a sin, because there is something that was off a bit somewhere. When we get selfish, we get in the flesh, and if we do not deal with that selfishness, you can try to have victory all you want, the victory will not be truly there, the bible says this: Jas 4:7 (7) Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Many times true Christians forget the first part, and try to resist the devil, without having done the first part. And no I am not advocating at all, to get in the flesh, I am just showing a reality that we as being true Christians sometimes get in the flesh. And we have to be honest about this, for if we say we have no sin then the truth is not in us. That is a great point about having to submit to God, not just resist the devil, but at the same time, resisting the devil is a way we submit to God.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 9:37:18 GMT -5
Well sometimes Christians do not always see how to properly put their faith in God for victory, and thus they struggle, we do not struggle with a sin, because we properly put our faith in God, we struggle with a sin, because there is something that was off a bit somewhere. When we get selfish, we get in the flesh, and if we do not deal with that selfishness, you can try to have victory all you want, the victory will not be truly there, the bible says this: Jas 4:7 (7) Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Many times true Christians forget the first part, and try to resist the devil, without having done the first part. And no I am not advocating at all, to get in the flesh, I am just showing a reality that we as being true Christians sometimes get in the flesh. And we have to be honest about this, for if we say we have no sin then the truth is not in us. That is a great point about having to submit to God, not just resist the devil, but at the same time, resisting the devil is a way we submit to God. Well it kind of is, but the word does not say both of these things together, if we do not have to do both. If you properly submit yourself to God, your will, life and so on, then you will be able to properly resist the devil.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 9:37:38 GMT -5
We have the simple pattern JESUS gave and then the apostels taught it too . number one , IF one truly has the SPIRIT , then they have all they need to overcome evil . POINT to the POWER . Number two , if any does err , confess and forsake and pray one for another that ye may be healed . The problem is men are not teaching the whole counsel of truth . Our approach towards sin , should sound identical to HOW JESUS approached it . VERY SERIOUS and the apostels were the same way . Let it not once be named among you . even saying if others err and wont repent , get them out from amongst you . How bout another one of pauls warnings . Where he says , IF he comes he will not spare , talking about those who had sinned and NOT REPENTED . SO you see the problem is , TODAY this kind of stuff is not being done at all . Instead we keep hearing , OH GOD knows ya sin , OH etc and etc . The problem is , with this kind of doctrine , it only opens the door to leaven coming in and getting worse . And it did too . Seeker friendly was a bomb of a disaster . Not only that , but we should be using the same approach in all things that the original ones did . Talking and reminding about HOW one must endure faithful TO THE END . focusing on the END reward and the heeding of the SPIRIT which gives us both the unction and ability to fight the fight . Look at the examples of the apostels to the children . DID they not warn about error and did they not say , Ye must endure faithful TO THE END . DID JESUS not say the same thing on earth . And how about we look at the message to the seven churches . HOW come it was repent or else . but today its, OH no need to be a naysayer , ya cant lose salvation . According to peter and paul me sees an entirely different approach . It was die daily , fight the fight , warnings about what happened to those who left their first estate and warning all NOT to do that either . LOOK at the over all reminders to the churches . Look at the warning even paul gave about those who left off the first faith and now followed satan . Look at the message to the church of Ephesus concering the first love . aka , That means THEY HAD IT . THEY ACTUALLY had it and were losing it . and it was REPENT OR ELSE . SEE the whole mindset of the early church was , ONLY JESUS saves , but if one continues not IN HIM , if one continues not to heed the Spirit , THEY SURE CAN BE and WILL BE CAST OUT . SO many no longer even know the severity of GOD , and preach a false goodness too . WE must learn that pattern , we must heed that pattern , and the truth is , IF ONE HAS the SPIRIT then why would they hate the original pattern . MAKES No sense . Lambs love truth , and lambs should know that every warning to every promise from GOD and those men who knew HIM , are just FOR OUR OWN GOOD . that we take heed to do the good and flee the evil . Folks were lulled into a sleep under doctrines of men , and now those doctrines grow far more worse as well . Because let a little leaven in , AND ITS GONNA ONLY GET WORSE . Either we teach the whole truth , or prepare to fall . all reminders are for our good . I'm not saying anything otherwise brother. I'm only talking about GROWING from being in the flesh and self-effort to being in the Spirit with all these things. Something to take very seriously indeed.
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Post by 777 on Mar 9, 2020 9:40:02 GMT -5
A lot of the time, what is causing trouble for new Christians are oppressing spirits they never got rid of. They will crawl on their shoulder and continually entice them to do sinful things. They have to learn to cast them off of them.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 9:42:07 GMT -5
Victory is no doubt only in Christ, and yes we seek to avoid sin, but in saying this, we also need to deal with the issues of sin, and learn how to properly put our faith in God.
If we have sinned, we confess it, and if we have a battle, then fight the good fight of faith, hold on to his promises, and submit yourself to God's will, let God change you, give yourself fully over to God, so he can do his sanctifying work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 9:42:13 GMT -5
Here is a good reminder . Goodness towards thee , IF you continue IN HIS GOODNESS , otherwise ye shall but cut off . YES all reminders , all warnings and all promises are for the good of our soul . Bring many reminders my friends . lambs love truth . That is true, and the goats hate those reminders and exhortations, and are quick to attack you when you bring them. Instead of appreciating them, they seek to silence you. Yes. I think all that is shown in God's word about growing and reminders of them are needful and valid as well...all the more since time is running short.
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Post by Giller on Mar 9, 2020 9:44:07 GMT -5
A lot of the time, what is causing trouble for new Christians are oppressing spirits they never got rid of. They will crawl on their shoulder and continually entice them to do sinful things. They have to learn to cast them off of them. And let us to continue to build them up, so they can have victory in Jesus.
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Post by 777 on Mar 9, 2020 9:44:48 GMT -5
We have the simple pattern JESUS gave and then the apostels taught it too . number one , IF one truly has the SPIRIT , then they have all they need to overcome evil . POINT to the POWER . Number two , if any does err , confess and forsake and pray one for another that ye may be healed . The problem is men are not teaching the whole counsel of truth . Our approach towards sin , should sound identical to HOW JESUS approached it . VERY SERIOUS and the apostels were the same way . Let it not once be named among you . even saying if others err and wont repent , get them out from amongst you . How bout another one of pauls warnings . Where he says , IF he comes he will not spare , talking about those who had sinned and NOT REPENTED . SO you see the problem is , TODAY this kind of stuff is not being done at all . Instead we keep hearing , OH GOD knows ya sin , OH etc and etc . The problem is , with this kind of doctrine , it only opens the door to leaven coming in and getting worse . And it did too . Seeker friendly was a bomb of a disaster . Not only that , but we should be using the same approach in all things that the original ones did . Talking and reminding about HOW one must endure faithful TO THE END . focusing on the END reward and the heeding of the SPIRIT which gives us both the unction and ability to fight the fight . Look at the examples of the apostels to the children . DID they not warn about error and did they not say , Ye must endure faithful TO THE END . DID JESUS not say the same thing on earth . And how about we look at the message to the seven churches . HOW come it was repent or else . but today its, OH no need to be a naysayer , ya cant lose salvation . According to peter and paul me sees an entirely different approach . It was die daily , fight the fight , warnings about what happened to those who left their first estate and warning all NOT to do that either . LOOK at the over all reminders to the churches . Look at the warning even paul gave about those who left off the first faith and now followed satan . Look at the message to the church of Ephesus concering the first love . aka , That means THEY HAD IT . THEY ACTUALLY had it and were losing it . and it was REPENT OR ELSE . SEE the whole mindset of the early church was , ONLY JESUS saves , but if one continues not IN HIM , if one continues not to heed the Spirit , THEY SURE CAN BE and WILL BE CAST OUT . SO many no longer even know the severity of GOD , and preach a false goodness too . WE must learn that pattern , we must heed that pattern , and the truth is , IF ONE HAS the SPIRIT then why would they hate the original pattern . MAKES No sense . Lambs love truth , and lambs should know that every warning to every promise from GOD and those men who knew HIM , are just FOR OUR OWN GOOD . that we take heed to do the good and flee the evil . Folks were lulled into a sleep under doctrines of men , and now those doctrines grow far more worse as well . Because let a little leaven in , AND ITS GONNA ONLY GET WORSE . Either we teach the whole truth , or prepare to fall . all reminders are for our good . I'm not saying anything otherwise brother. I'm only talking about GROWING from being in the flesh and self-effort to being in the Spirit with all these things. Something to take very seriously indeed. It takes self effort to follow God and resist the devil.
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