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Post by frienduff on Sept 9, 2020 14:51:11 GMT -5
yes my time is coming to an end. In time some will understand . But will they truly follow JESUS . And do i mean the biblical one including the apostles . TRULY i have done what i could . If i weigh my actions against truth and men like paul or peter , i would surely seem big time to fall short . Yet i cling to the truth in the scriptures , not what men think or say . That gives me comfort . My time draws to a close . My prayer is , that GOD raise up others as HE already has , to stand and defend the truth that was First delivered FROM JESUS , then from the apostels . That is all i know to pray .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 9, 2020 14:51:43 GMT -5
Sit down . Do my views and the views of sister candance or any other , disagree . THEN KNOW THIS . ONLY one is the right view . Whether it be I , candance or another . You better sit down and refresh in scripture . cause we cant alll be right . All will do as they must do . But i must cling to the original pattern . the simpicity of that . Time as we know it , is coming to a close . Though i have seen and though i have had faults , what i taught was not a fault . Soon enough folks will choose their ways . But i must continue in the only way that set me free . JESUS , GOD and the simpicity of scriptures . It is not a question of knowing what it says, but of understanding it. This is not an easily understood verse, as is obvious by all the different opinions. Giller said he has wrestled with it for years. I am not 100 percent sure of the meaning, thus we discuss it.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 9, 2020 14:53:08 GMT -5
Sit down . Do my views and the views of sister candance or any other , disagree . THEN KNOW THIS . ONLY one is the right view . Whether it be I , candance or another . You better sit down and refresh in scripture . cause we cant alll be right . All will do as they must do . But i must cling to the original pattern . the simpicity of that . Time as we know it , is coming to a close . Though i have seen and though i have had faults , what i taught was not a fault . Soon enough folks will choose their ways . But i must continue in the only way that set me free . JESUS , GOD and the simpicity of scriptures . It is not a question of knowing what it says, but of understanding it. This is not an easily understood verse, as is obvious by all the different opinions. Giller said he has wrestled with it for years. I am not 100 percent sure of the meaning, thus we discuss it.
What was the question again . i was simply speaking in general terms of what is coming . What was it that was said .
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Post by John on Sept 9, 2020 14:56:48 GMT -5
It is not a question of knowing what it says, but of understanding it. This is not an easily understood verse, as is obvious by all the different opinions. Giller said he has wrestled with it for years. I am not 100 percent sure of the meaning, thus we discuss it.
What was the question again . i was simply speaking in general terms of what is coming . What was it that was said . I think about 6 of us have discussed what it means to retain or remit other's sins, and all the answers differ slightly.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 9, 2020 15:14:37 GMT -5
frienduff nobody disagreed with you here, from what I can tell. I was supporting you that this is mostly about church leadership. All I did was add one extra thought about standing in the gap for the lost so they aren’t struck dead before they repent. That’s it. If I forgive my persecutor, and my prayers for him reach heaven, he can be saved, and that’s a better outcome than me staying mad. When we forgive and we plead for God to spare people, maybe He will hear us. Don’t you agree?
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Post by frienduff on Sept 9, 2020 15:47:49 GMT -5
frienduff nobody disagreed with you here, from what I can tell. I was supporting you that this is mostly about church leadership. All I did was add one extra thought about standing in the gap for the lost so they aren’t struck dead before they repent. That’s it. If I forgive my persecutor, and my prayers for him reach heaven, he can be saved, and that’s a better outcome than me staying mad. When we forgive and we plead for God to spare people, maybe He will hear us. Don’t you agree? \ Sister . my reminder was just a general reminder . I know our prayers are heard . But ponder this . I have prayed for not just my family of the flesh , but also many in the world . But it is not a gaurantee that means they will be saved . I want to remind us something the gel haired preachers wont tell us . WHO are you , WHO I AM. We aint THE POWER . GOD IS God never saved me due to who i was . AND HE dont hear me due to who or what we think we is . sorry about the is part . should have put who we think we ARE . Forgive the sloppy english of this dummy . BUT anyway . back to my point . GOD dont hear us , according to what or who we think we is , i mean are , HE has mercy . BUT if folks reject JESUS . ITS OVER .
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 9, 2020 15:55:45 GMT -5
frienduff nobody disagreed with you here, from what I can tell. I was supporting you that this is mostly about church leadership. All I did was add one extra thought about standing in the gap for the lost so they aren’t struck dead before they repent. That’s it. If I forgive my persecutor, and my prayers for him reach heaven, he can be saved, and that’s a better outcome than me staying mad. When we forgive and we plead for God to spare people, maybe He will hear us. Don’t you agree? \ Sister . my reminder was just a general reminder . I know our prayers are heard . But ponder this . I have prayed for not just my family of the flesh , but also many in the world . But it is not a gaurantee that means they will be saved . I want to remind us something the gel haired preachers wont tell us . WHO are you , WHO I AM. We aint THE POWER . GOD IS God never saved me due to who i was . AND HE dont hear me due to who or what we think we is . sorry about the is part . should have put who we think we ARE . Forgive the sloppy english of this dummy . BUT anyway . back to my point . GOD dont hear us , according to what or who we think we is , i mean are , HE has mercy . BUT if folks reject JESUS . ITS OVER . I agree.... so what’s there to dispute?
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Post by John on Sept 9, 2020 17:03:48 GMT -5
Absolutely! I am not sure about others. I could also see Frienduff's point of view. Sit down . Do my views and the views of sister candance or any other , disagree . THEN KNOW THIS . ONLY one is the right view . Whether it be I , candance or another . You better sit down and refresh in scripture . cause we cant alll be right . All will do as they must do . But i must cling to the original pattern . the simpicity of that . Time as we know it , is coming to a close . Though i have seen and though i have had faults , what i taught was not a fault . Soon enough folks will choose their ways . But i must continue in the only way that set me free . JESUS , GOD and the simpicity of scriptures . She was not asking if I agreed with her or you, but if I agree more with her or the Catholic Church beliefs. I was saying that I agreed much closer to her and I also thought you gave a good answer. I am reading through all the different responses, because it is a scripture I have never really been sure about.
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Post by bethany on Sept 9, 2020 18:13:10 GMT -5
This was before Pentecost, wasnt it. I may well be wrong, but i assumed it was a temporary breathing of the Holy Spirit, until Pentecost.
I am finding this thread interesting, as I hadnt thought about everyday Christians being able to forgive sins, except personal ones in the sense of telling someone who wronged me that I forgive them, or forgiving them in prayer if telling them is impossible or inappropriate.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 9, 2020 18:16:44 GMT -5
I agree.... so what’s there to dispute? I never said there was anything to dispute . ONLY THIS . and this ought to be no disputation . CLING TO JESUS , CLING TO BIBLES
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Post by bethany on Sept 9, 2020 18:22:49 GMT -5
I agree.... so what’s there to dispute? I never said there was anything to dispute . ONLY THIS . and this ought to be no disputation . CLING TO JESUS , CLING TO BIBLES we are clinging to the Bible and trying to work together to unravel His Word - which is good, isnt it.
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Post by John on Sept 9, 2020 18:57:20 GMT -5
I never said there was anything to dispute . ONLY THIS . and this ought to be no disputation . CLING TO JESUS , CLING TO BIBLES we are clinging to the Bible and trying to work together to unravel His Word - which is good, isnt it. I think it is great, and that should be our goal in every thread, trying to get the truth as to what the Bible means.
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Post by bethany on Sept 9, 2020 19:18:58 GMT -5
I wonder of the forgiveness of sins by humans is part of the Gift of Discernment, and not open to all, but to a few who are chosen by God to have this Gift?
Please understand that I am exploring this subject, and intend no insult or heresy, so please correct me with love if I have made an error in scriptural understanding
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Post by John on Sept 9, 2020 20:09:59 GMT -5
I wonder of the forgiveness of sins by humans is part of the Gift of Discernment, and not open to all, but to a few who are chosen by God to have this Gift? Please understand that I am exploring this subject, and intend no insult or heresy, so please correct me with love if I have made an error in scriptural understanding Right now, we are all sharing our thoughts on this.
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Post by Cletus on Sept 9, 2020 21:13:17 GMT -5
since we are all sharing our thoughts its about time i throw in my two cents. here is what i believe it speaks to:
Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Stephen did not retain the sin.
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