Cletus
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Post by Cletus on Sept 9, 2020 22:17:04 GMT -5
I wonder of the forgiveness of sins by humans is part of the Gift of Discernment, and not open to all, but to a few who are chosen by God to have this Gift? Please understand that I am exploring this subject, and intend no insult or heresy, so please correct me with love if I have made an error in scriptural understanding its my understanding the gift is called the discernment of spirits. this is one of my gifts. while i have been heavily anointed, as in an angel poured something over me, and then the gifts were flowing heavy for quite some time after, that gift did not have the aspect of retaining sins or not.
i however can not dismiss that perhaps only a few were given this as it was a thought in the back of my mind also as i have been meditating on this subject thruout the day. I think it is possible.
there are 9 gifts of The Spirit.
Word of wisdom. this is where God gives you the perspective to ascertain the divine means to accomplish God's will. it can be for problem solving, or a knowing of how to act in a situation. normally this gift goes hand in hand with the next gift:
Word of knowledge. this can be an interpretation of dreams or when God gives you a word for someone. its some sort of a revelation.
Gift of faith. this gift can be obscure in definition depending on who gives the definition. since i have experienced this i will give you the best explanation i can even though you really need to experience this to understand fully. this faith is not a belief. its more of a knowing, and this knowing is Gods power in you. like saying to a mountain be removed and cast into the sea... get you. when Gods power has welled up in you you dont just believe its possible by speaking it... you know it. this gift normally accompanies the next two.
gift of healings. its pretty self explanatory, and dont quote me on this last part but i suspect its also the gift used to raise the dead. i cant say for sure since God never done that thru me.
Gift of Miracles. this can be like the mountain moved thing but also counteract evil forces. A brother i know said he was in south america on the side of a mountain, and a bus was almost about to go over the edge. He said Gods Spirit came on him strong and he lifted his hand and the bus was lifted and set up all four wheels on solid ground.
Prophecy. this is telling whats gonna happen by God giving you what to say.
Discerning of Spirits. you can know what spirits are around you, sometimes you can see them sometimes not. when the anointing is heavy you can even know the spirits thoughts and intents. you can also tell what spirit is inside of people. when we worship or pray and we "feel God's presence"... that too is this gift.
Tongues. Speaking in unknown languages. could be earthly languages or non-earthly. Its the Holy Ghost speaking thru you. John has the best explanation on this one i have heard, so if you want more than this ask Him. I tried to remember his words but i got nothing on His explanation. it can also be a prophecy.
Interpretation of tongues. it reveals the meaning of the tongue. when i got interpretations before it was not word for word but the general idea.
since you mentioned gifts... have you ever experienced any of these gifts? have you been baptized in The Holy Spirit? i dont want to derail this thread but am curious where you are on this as a new member here.
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Post by John on Sept 10, 2020 6:11:15 GMT -5
since we are all sharing our thoughts its about time i throw in my two cents. here is what i believe it speaks to: Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Stephen did not retain the sin. That is pretty much how it appears to me as well.
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Post by bethany on Sept 10, 2020 7:15:36 GMT -5
I wonder of the forgiveness of sins by humans is part of the Gift of Discernment, and not open to all, but to a few who are chosen by God to have this Gift? Please understand that I am exploring this subject, and intend no insult or heresy, so please correct me with love if I have made an error in scriptural understanding its my understanding the gift is called the discernment of spirits. this is one of my gifts. while i have been heavily anointed, as in an angel poured something over me, and then the gifts were flowing heavy for quite some time after, that gift did not have the aspect of retaining sins or not.
i however can not dismiss that perhaps only a few were given this as it was a thought in the back of my mind also as i have been meditating on this subject thruout the day. I think it is possible.
there are 9 gifts of The Spirit.
Word of wisdom. this is where God gives you the perspective to ascertain the divine means to accomplish God's will. it can be for problem solving, or a knowing of how to act in a situation. normally this gift goes hand in hand with the next gift:
Word of knowledge. this can be an interpretation of dreams or when God gives you a word for someone. its some sort of a revelation.
Gift of faith. this gift can be obscure in definition depending on who gives the definition. since i have experienced this i will give you the best explanation i can even though you really need to experience this to understand fully. this faith is not a belief. its more of a knowing, and this knowing is Gods power in you. like saying to a mountain be removed and cast into the sea... get you. when Gods power has welled up in you you dont just believe its possible by speaking it... you know it. this gift normally accompanies the next two.
gift of healings. its pretty self explanatory, and dont quote me on this last part but i suspect its also the gift used to raise the dead. i cant say for sure since God never done that thru me.
Gift of Miracles. this can be like the mountain moved thing but also counteract evil forces. A brother i know said he was in south america on the side of a mountain, and a bus was almost about to go over the edge. He said Gods Spirit came on him strong and he lifted his hand and the bus was lifted and set up all four wheels on solid ground.
Prophecy. this is telling whats gonna happen by God giving you what to say.
Discerning of Spirits. you can know what spirits are around you, sometimes you can see them sometimes not. when the anointing is heavy you can even know the spirits thoughts and intents. you can also tell what spirit is inside of people. when we worship or pray and we "feel God's presence"... that too is this gift.
Tongues. Speaking in unknown languages. could be earthly languages or non-earthly. Its the Holy Ghost speaking thru you. John has the best explanation on this one i have heard, so if you want more than this ask Him. I tried to remember his words but i got nothing on His explanation. it can also be a prophecy.
Interpretation of tongues. it reveals the meaning of the tongue. when i got interpretations before it was not word for word but the general idea.
since you mentioned gifts... have you ever experienced any of these gifts? have you been baptized in The Holy Spirit? i dont want to derail this thread but am curious where you are on this as a new member here.
I am a Born Again Christian, therefore I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. I am new to the forum, but not a new Christian.
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Post by John on Sept 10, 2020 7:26:59 GMT -5
its my understanding the gift is called the discernment of spirits. this is one of my gifts. while i have been heavily anointed, as in an angel poured something over me, and then the gifts were flowing heavy for quite some time after, that gift did not have the aspect of retaining sins or not.
i however can not dismiss that perhaps only a few were given this as it was a thought in the back of my mind also as i have been meditating on this subject thruout the day. I think it is possible.
there are 9 gifts of The Spirit. Word of wisdom. this is where God gives you the perspective to ascertain the divine means to accomplish God's will. it can be for problem solving, or a knowing of how to act in a situation. normally this gift goes hand in hand with the next gift: Word of knowledge. this can be an interpretation of dreams or when God gives you a word for someone. its some sort of a revelation. Gift of faith. this gift can be obscure in definition depending on who gives the definition. since i have experienced this i will give you the best explanation i can even though you really need to experience this to understand fully. this faith is not a belief. its more of a knowing, and this knowing is Gods power in you. like saying to a mountain be removed and cast into the sea... get you. when Gods power has welled up in you you dont just believe its possible by speaking it... you know it. this gift normally accompanies the next two. gift of healings. its pretty self explanatory, and dont quote me on this last part but i suspect its also the gift used to raise the dead. i cant say for sure since God never done that thru me.
Gift of Miracles. this can be like the mountain moved thing but also counteract evil forces. A brother i know said he was in south america on the side of a mountain, and a bus was almost about to go over the edge. He said Gods Spirit came on him strong and he lifted his hand and the bus was lifted and set up all four wheels on solid ground.
Prophecy. this is telling whats gonna happen by God giving you what to say.
Discerning of Spirits. you can know what spirits are around you, sometimes you can see them sometimes not. when the anointing is heavy you can even know the spirits thoughts and intents. you can also tell what spirit is inside of people. when we worship or pray and we "feel God's presence"... that too is this gift.
Tongues. Speaking in unknown languages. could be earthly languages or non-earthly. Its the Holy Ghost speaking thru you. John has the best explanation on this one i have heard, so if you want more than this ask Him. I tried to remember his words but i got nothing on His explanation. it can also be a prophecy.
Interpretation of tongues. it reveals the meaning of the tongue. when i got interpretations before it was not word for word but the general idea.
since you mentioned gifts... have you ever experienced any of these gifts? have you been baptized in The Holy Spirit? i dont want to derail this thread but am curious where you are on this as a new member here.
I am a Born Again Christian, therefore I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. I am new to the forum, but not a new Christian. I think he was trying to find out if you are Pentecostal/full gospel, with that question.
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Post by bethany on Sept 10, 2020 7:37:59 GMT -5
I am a Born Again Christian, therefore I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. I am new to the forum, but not a new Christian. I think he was trying to find out if you are Pentecostal/full gospel, with that question. What? Why? Does my denomination or lack of one matter? I think the US has got denominations we don't have here.I have heard of Pentecostal, but shouldn't every Christian believe the entire gospel? Unless full gospel means something else?
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 10, 2020 7:38:22 GMT -5
I have a gift for intercession. Don’t know where that falls on the spectrum, but it’s definitely a very specific gift I have. Also discerning of spirits. Yes Cletus is right, when you’re really dialed in you can hear the “chatter” of spirits doing their plotting. I do get words for people semi-regularly but it’s not a gift I carry with me like the others. Tongues has come over me on a few occasions. As for healing/miracles, I’ve been used in intercession to bring about miracles, but I can’t directly lay hands on people.
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Post by John on Sept 10, 2020 7:45:34 GMT -5
I think he was trying to find out if you are Pentecostal/full gospel, with that question. What? Why? Does my denomination or lack of one matter? I think the US has got denominations we don't have here.I have heard of Pentecostal, but shouldn't every Christian believe the entire gospel? Unless full gospel means something else? It appears that there has been confusion because of differences with the chgurch in America as opposed to where you are, and terminology we take for granted is not understood the same way for everyone. Pentecostals believe that all Christians have the Spirit in measure, but not necessarily the baptism in the Holy Spirit like in Acts chapter 2.
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Post by bethany on Sept 10, 2020 7:46:06 GMT -5
I have the gift of emotional healing, and alongside that the gift of knowing what is secretly troubling or hindering people, and I pick up their inner emotions. I can also cut through a problem to find the nub of it, the sore spot in their minds and hearts, which is often not the obvious one they think is the problem in need of healing. It's very specific, and is not from my own reasoning, thought or knowledge. I don't look for people in need of emotional and mental healing, they seem to find me and open up to me, a stranger.
I am not sure where that fits in Cletus list.
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Post by watchful on Sept 10, 2020 7:48:38 GMT -5
I wonder of the forgiveness of sins by humans is part of the Gift of Discernment, and not open to all, but to a few who are chosen by God to have this Gift? Please understand that I am exploring this subject, and intend no insult or heresy, so please correct me with love if I have made an error in scriptural understanding It could be, or possibly have to do with gift of mercy. Or just God being God and doing what He wills. When He released forgiveness to someone that one time it wasn't in the context of correcting them, I forget the details but it was on a forum, we could say the person was correcting themself and talking about their problem, and the Lord had compassion and chose to forgive them in that way, whatever we may understand or not understand from that. It was then He brought the remitting sins verse to mind and the penny dropped. I dont' even remember if I wrote anything to post a response, or I might have checked one of the "like" boxes we can choose from there. That is my only experience with this. So that’s why I believe that yes, it is for correction type situations, it doesn't have to be limited to that, or in the context of formal church actions. Anyhow I am not sure we even have to understand everything about it, the Lord will do whatever He wills whether we understand it or not, as long as we are yielded vessels and don't quench Him.
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Post by watchful on Sept 10, 2020 7:58:12 GMT -5
I have a gift for intercession. Don’t know where that falls on the spectrum, but it’s definitely a very specific gift I have. Also discerning of spirits. Yes Cletus is right, when you’re really dialed in you can hear the “chatter” of spirits doing their plotting. I do get words for people semi-regularly but it’s not a gift I carry with me like the others. Tongues has come over me on a few occasions. As for healing/miracles, I’ve been used in intercession to bring about miracles, but I can’t directly lay hands on people. The Lord is wonderful in all the many things He does, and that is what comes to mind with Cletus' post too. I'm not even sure we can limit Him to nine gifts of the Spirit. His wisdom and grace is manifold and He does as He pleases.
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Post by watchful on Sept 10, 2020 8:31:19 GMT -5
since we are all sharing our thoughts its about time i throw in my two cents. here is what i believe it speaks to: Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Stephen did not retain the sin. Agree that Stephen did not retain the sin....but one question that comes to mind, was the Lord releasing forgiveness through Stephen in that way or was Stephen himself forgiving them? I think there might be a difference between the two. I myself have forgiven people many times, but that one time the Lord was releasing forgiveness to someone in that way, and I was in agreement with it, but it was really the Lord doing it and not me by myself. I think you could say me and the Lord were yoked together in releasing the forgiveness that time, actually. Would that make sense? Or another possibility, it might only be that He let me discern what was taking place in the spirit that time. It's possible that every time we forgive someone, the Lord is releasing it in that way, but we just aren't always aware of what is taking place in the spirit. Hello. It might be. And actually you know what, I seem to getting a witness with that. If that's the case, we can see why it's so important not to judge folks, judgment is binding. (And that is why if we hold onto judgment against someone who has sinned against us, it binds not only them but us as well, because the Father is not forgiving us for holding onto the judgment..?)
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Post by watchful on Sept 10, 2020 8:37:38 GMT -5
Some scriptures that were eye opening to me:
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (ie, in the spirit?)
We can see here below how binding and loosing has to do with forgiveness, at least in one sense:
Mat 18:15-18 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
And then continuing in the same chapter picking up again on the same theme of forgiveness:
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt
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Post by watchful on Sept 10, 2020 8:48:13 GMT -5
I have the gift of emotional healing, and alongside that the gift of knowing what is secretly troubling or hindering people, and I pick up their inner emotions. I can also cut through a problem to find the nub of it, the sore spot in their minds and hearts, which is often not the obvious one they think is the problem in need of healing. It's very specific, and is not from my own reasoning, thought or knowledge. I don't look for people in need of emotional and mental healing, they seem to find me and open up to me, a stranger. I am not sure where that fits in Cletus list. Praise the Lord for His goodness, that is so badly needed in the Body of Christ. I think most believers are the walking wounded in some way or other (even though the Lord is working it all together for our good).
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Post by John on Sept 10, 2020 8:50:57 GMT -5
Some scriptures that were eye opening to me: Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (ie, in the spirit?) We can see here below how binding and loosing has to do with forgiveness, at least in one sense: Mat 18:15-18Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
And then continuing in the same chapter picking up again on the same theme of forgiveness: Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt
The Lord showed me that because I had been holding grudges, forgiveness for my sins was being withheld, meaning my sins were piling up, and I was unclean. Nothing unclean will enter heaven, so I had to forgive or be lost. Like the man in the parable, God forgave me of much more than what others owed me. I chose to forgive, and that also immediately led to other issues being fixed.
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Post by bethany on Sept 10, 2020 8:55:52 GMT -5
Some scriptures that were eye opening to me: Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (ie, in the spirit?) We can see here below how binding and loosing has to do with forgiveness, at least in one sense: Mat 18:15-18Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
And then continuing in the same chapter picking up again on the same theme of forgiveness: Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt
The Lord showed me that because I had been holding grudges, forgiveness for my sins was being withheld, meaning my sins were piling up, and I was unclean. Nothing unclean will enter heaven, so I had to forgive or be lost. Like the man in the parable, God forgave me of much more than what others owed me. I chose to forgive, and that also immediately led to other issues being fixed.
that is my experience also. The same with healing. I thought forgiveness and healing were instant, but find that it is a gradual and continuing process and more things come to my mind through the work of the Holy Spirit. I see it as yet more evidence of Gods great love and mercy, to give only as much as I can deal with regarding memories and healings, at one time. I also agree on how the forgiveness and healing then affects other things, and so it continues.
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