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Post by Giller on Dec 18, 2018 12:31:16 GMT -5
I believe that demons can trick people, so why can't it be a trick?
And can the manifestation of the Spirit operate outside of love, knowing that it is the Holy Spirit doing these things, which God is love?
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Post by frienduff on Dec 18, 2018 12:37:46 GMT -5
I have also seen people who are not born-again Christians remove an evil spirit when they are desperate enough to use the name of Jesus. And what a seduction to a lie this can be . Let me explain . ROME years back began letting all kinds help them in exorcisms . And when I say all kinds take a peek , they used sooth sayers to help , they use those who practice divination . In fact the mindset has gotten so bad , even NOW , we got folks of different religions and wicans that will join together to cast out wicked YET the whole work is the work of great evil . This will increase . YOU watch . We will see the religions not only joining together , but having great miracles as well. AND what a deception that will be . FOR the conclusion will become , WELL GOD MUST REALLY be in all religions . Sis, its going to get highly deceptive in the days ahead . WHEN I say highly , I mean the deception wil be JUST as JESUS SAID , SO DECEPTIVE , SO deceptive it could deceive even the very elect IF that were possible. Just wait , soon we will see this with our own eyes . Muslims , buddits , so called christains , witches even and others not only joining in unity not only claiming we serve the same GOD , but having miracles too . WE THAT CLOSE to it all kicking off . WHEN the miracles begin among even our own churches , the deception will rise viral and to great heights and very fast , as fast as even or faster than did the Toronto blessing . WE running out of time sister . We running out of time . GOD does send a strong delusion and it has one purpose , TO DECIEVE those who rejected CHRIST and cause them to believe a lie and they will be damned . WELL , here it comes . and the inclusive unity is leading them all RIGHT TO IT .
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 18, 2018 12:38:48 GMT -5
All I’m saying is a demon will tremble at the mention of Jesus, often when the person is only a casual believer in Jesus. I have seen this happen. It doesn’t mean the person is saved, and it isn’t always a fake miracle. It just means a demon trembled. People can then construe that they are in good standing with Jesus although they are not.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 18, 2018 12:41:51 GMT -5
and by grace I see this coming , and if we see this coming and warn not , that the wicked repent from his evil, WHO GETS HELD ACCOUNATBLE for their blood . those who knew , saw and WARNED NOT . Yet the more we warn against this , the more we will be hated . However , better to be hated by the world than loved by it . And better to warn in hopes that at least some will hear , than to not warn at all . ITS GONNA GET UGLY WITH DELUSION very fast n the days ahead . LET US get well learned n our bibles and be firmly planted n CHRIST . Cause , I warn and remind us all , THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE MASSIVE MOTHER OF GREAT EVIL DECEPTOIN . AND IT WILL BE JUST THAT . HIGHLY DECEPTIVE .
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Post by John on Dec 18, 2018 12:42:43 GMT -5
I believe that demons can trick people, so why can't it be a trick? And can the manifestation of the Spirit operate outside of love, knowing that it is the Holy Spirit doing these things, which God is love? We are definitely not talking about a trick, as Jesus said they were performing miracles in his name. It comes down to whether or not these men were really believers in Christ that heard about him somewhere, but were not among his inner circle, or if they were just people that recognized that there is power in his name and used it. There is no way I can answer that with 100 percent certainty. I do know that people have been healed when a complete phony laid hands on them because of their own faith, and Catholic priests have on occasion cast out devils.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 18, 2018 12:43:30 GMT -5
All I’m saying is a demon will tremble at the mention of Jesus, often when the person is only a casual believer in Jesus. I have seen this happen. It doesn’t mean the person is saved, and it isn’t always a fake miracle. It just means a demon trembled. People can then construe that they are in good standing with Jesus although they are not. NOT if that man does not follow CHRIST . I personally read about seven jews of sceva , WHO DECIDED TO USE JESUS NAME too . AND that demon and demons in that man , LEPT UP ALL OVER THEM and they ran with tails tucked . Let us remember that .
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 18, 2018 12:47:42 GMT -5
Yet the Canaanite woman got Jesus to heal her daughter even after Jesus first rejected her. That woman was not a godly person. But she believed.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 18, 2018 12:57:40 GMT -5
Yet the Canaanite woman got Jesus to heal her daughter even after Jesus first rejected her. That woman was not a godly person. But she believed. THE FACT SHE BELIEVED IN JESUS , is all I needed to hear . HER FAITH was in who . JESUS . Oh what beauty . She was already being LED OF GOD to reiceve Christ . Her FAITH was in JESUS . Romes faith is in ROME . and though they cry his name , is it really from the HEART . NOPE . Course I know you already know this . It just helps to get reminded at times . JESUS often said about those were gentile as well, about their FAITH in HIM . ONLY GOD ALONE can even draw one to CHRIST . all those who came RUNNNG TO JESUS , trusting in HIM , THEY WERE ALREADY BEING LED BY GOD . FOR marvle not , no man can come to ME , lest the Father draw them . But notice how today is so much the same as back then . The highly religious HOLLER WE LOVE GOD , WE LOVE CHRIST , yet DONT KEEP HIS SAYINGS and the lowly ones are flocking right to Him . in lil groups here and their . Coming out of big false houses of GOD and into the true tabernacle which GOD MADE and not men . Sister , while the falling away is really picking up in speed and darkness THEIR is also an EXODUS occurring . AS IN COME YE OUT FROM AMONG THEM , BE YE HOLY , BE YE SEPERATE , TOUCH not the inclusive house of unity . Goodness I am led yet again to give this warning and I want all to pray and consider why this is . BUT HERE IT IS . IF YOUR CHURCHES are focusing on unity and etc , good works , buidlng houses , BUT NOT THE GOSPLE , GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT NOW . DO IT NOW .
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Post by Giller on Dec 18, 2018 12:58:53 GMT -5
I believe that demons can trick people, so why can't it be a trick? And can the manifestation of the Spirit operate outside of love, knowing that it is the Holy Spirit doing these things, which God is love? We are definitely not talking about a trick, as Jesus said they were performing miracles in his name. It comes down to whether or not these men were really believers in Christ that heard about him somewhere, but were not among his inner circle, or if they were just people that recognized that there is power in his name and used it. There is no way I can answer that with 100 percent certainty. I do know that people have been healed when a complete phony laid hands on them because of their own faith, and Catholic priests have on occasion cast out devils.
I know that the verse you used about them not being of the disciples was not a trick, I was not referring to that. I am just saying that in certain cases, about say unbeliever's supposedly casting out demons, can these be a trick? Can demons that possess a person, go out of a person for a bit, so they appear set free, and then go back? Acts Chapter 19 13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. 14 And there were seven sons of [one] Sceva, a Jew, [and] chief of the priests, which did so. 15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. i do not know what type of exorcist practice these vagabond Jews were into, but I know that God does not honor the exorcist practice of the Roman Catholic church.
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Post by John on Dec 18, 2018 12:59:16 GMT -5
All I’m saying is a demon will tremble at the mention of Jesus, often when the person is only a casual believer in Jesus. I have seen this happen. It doesn’t mean the person is saved, and it isn’t always a fake miracle. It just means a demon trembled. People can then construe that they are in good standing with Jesus although they are not. NOT if that man does not follow CHRIST . I personally read about seven jews of sceva , WHO DECIDED TO USE JESUS NAME too . AND that demon and demons in that man , LEPT UP ALL OVER THEM and they ran with tails tucked . Let us remember that .
They didn't take authority. They were timid and the devils didn't take them serious.
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Post by Giller on Dec 18, 2018 13:01:46 GMT -5
Yet the Canaanite woman got Jesus to heal her daughter even after Jesus first rejected her. That woman was not a godly person. But she believed. Unbelievers can put their faith in God to receive a miracle, yes that is true but that is not the same as being used of God to cast out demons and so forth.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 18, 2018 13:02:04 GMT -5
Yet the Canaanite woman got Jesus to heal her daughter even after Jesus first rejected her. That woman was not a godly person. But she believed. THE FACT SHE BELIEVED IN JESUS , is all I needed to hear . This is all I am getting at. If a person is willing to believe Jesus and cry out to him, He will often do a miracle as a withess to them, trying to draw them in. Then they must repent to be saved. Jesus will do this to touch them. If they take the miracle and run off without repenting, they will end up like the sons of Sceva.
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Post by Giller on Dec 18, 2018 13:04:07 GMT -5
Here is an interesting scripture to ponder upon, which who knows what the extent of this is, but nevertheless something to ponder upon:
2Ch 7:14 (14) If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 18, 2018 13:04:48 GMT -5
Yet the Canaanite woman got Jesus to heal her daughter even after Jesus first rejected her. That woman was not a godly person. But she believed. Unbelievers can put their faith in God to receive a miracle, yes that is true but that is not the same as being used of God to cast out demons and so forth. The Canaanite woman was used to heal her daughter. It was a miracle worked through her to heal someone else.
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Post by Giller on Dec 18, 2018 13:11:58 GMT -5
Mat 15:24-28 (24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (25) Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. (26) But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. (27) And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. (28) Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
She asked Jesus to heal her daughter and he did, she believed for this miracle.
Unbelievers can ask God for a miracle healing, and because of his compassion and so forth he heals them.
And he said great is her faith.
But still it is not the same as casting out devils in his name, laying hands directly on the sick and them recovering and so forth.
It was not virtue flowing through her.
And of course in any instance it is always God that heals.
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