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Post by Giller on Dec 25, 2018 22:16:57 GMT -5
Heb 2:16 (16) For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. It seems to me that, the nature of angels is at an elevated state as compared to man. it is. God showed me a scripture once about how to speak to angels, well more like how not to because they can rip you into pieces. with in one week I had a conversation with an angel. i have spoken of some of it on this forum. Can you post some of that here?
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Post by John on Dec 25, 2018 22:39:28 GMT -5
it is. God showed me a scripture once about how to speak to angels, well more like how not to because they can rip you into pieces. with in one week I had a conversation with an angel. i have spoken of some of it on this forum. Can you post some of that here? I would also be interested in knowing what the Lord showed you about how to converse with angels.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 25, 2018 23:02:54 GMT -5
I’ve never spoken directly to an angel in spirit, but I’ve overheard them talking. I’d also like to know more about Cletus’ experience.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 25, 2018 23:11:04 GMT -5
Just be careful . we never want to worship angels in any way . never pray to them . just remember that . pray ONLY to GOD .
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Post by Giller on Dec 26, 2018 0:18:16 GMT -5
Yes I truly want to hear your experience Cletus.
And at the same time, I truly want to be careful about all this angel activity.
Praise God for the genuine and true testimonies, but also I want to be careful so to rightfully discern which ones are of God and which ones are not.
I will be honest with yous, I sometimes get a bit somewhat concerned and a bit weary about this stuff.
But praise God for true testimonies.
All I know is that it seems that some kind of angelic activity is on the increase, and how much of it is really from God?
Please do not take this as a judgment on any of yous personally, if you know your testimony is genuine, then praise God.
But do be careful as Frienduff shared, I share the same concern.
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Post by Cletus on Dec 26, 2018 1:07:42 GMT -5
off the top of my head i can think of twice when i have heard an angel speak. angels are not like the pictures you see where they are happy walking on clouds, no they are serious business. If they are like that I have never seen that side of them. yes they are messengers... but they are also warriors. i looked for the scripture i spoke of and i do not remember it verbatim so its kinda hard to find. it says something about not being rude to angels because they can tear you to pieces. the first time I just heard an angel speak. I was dying and needed surgery... I heard him speak, get up, get up if you want to live. the voice was not gentle. it was stern. the next time is when God showed me the verse and with in a week I spoke with one. I do not remember everything said. this time i was being corrected. When the angel spoke there was no question of who it was, i just knew it was an angel. what i really remember was one question he asked me... do you know why The LORD delivers people? (He sounded upset with me) i said no. He said because they are addicted. there was another scripture God had shown me about the walls of your understanding... i do not remember it or where it is but in my minds eye when the angel said that i saw walls get knocked down. and it was bright, and i understood addicted means that nothing you can do in your power will get you to stop. like the pictures you see of a smoker with cancer on a breathing machine smoking a cigarette. totally in bondage. well i was addicted. God delivered me and I backslid. The angel poured something over me and then whoomf... was gone and he was moving so fast he was in the stars before you could blink. I never saw Him, but i did see streaks of light as he left. then God came and spoke to me. I do not like to talk about that unless there is a reason. its kind of a lot to explain and its definitely a rebuke like Job got. maybe more severe. probably more severe. I suspect a couple other times i have entertained angels unawares. i cant prove it. if something is not clear ask me. it was a long time ago and sometimes when people ask questions it brings something back to memory.
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Post by John on Dec 26, 2018 4:30:35 GMT -5
off the top of my head i can think of twice when i have heard an angel speak. angels are not like the pictures you see where they are happy walking on clouds, no they are serious business. If they are like that I have never seen that side of them. yes they are messengers... but they are also warriors. i looked for the scripture i spoke of and i do not remember it verbatim so its kinda hard to find. it says something about not being rude to angels because they can tear you to pieces. the first time I just heard an angel speak. I was dying and needed surgery... I heard him speak, get up, get up if you want to live. the voice was not gentle. it was stern. the next time is when God showed me the verse and with in a week I spoke with one. I do not remember everything said. this time i was being corrected. When the angel spoke there was no question of who it was, i just knew it was an angel. what i really remember was one question he asked me... do you know why The LORD delivers people? (He sounded upset with me) i said no. He said because they are addicted. there was another scripture God had shown me about the walls of your understanding... i do not remember it or where it is but in my minds eye when the angel said that i saw walls get knocked down. and it was bright, and i understood addicted means that nothing you can do in your power will get you to stop. like the pictures you see of a smoker with cancer on a breathing machine smoking a cigarette. totally in bondage. well i was addicted. God delivered me and I backslid. The angel poured something over me and then whoomf... was gone and he was moving so fast he was in the stars before you could blink. I never saw Him, but i did see streaks of light as he left. then God came and spoke to me. I do not like to talk about that unless there is a reason. its kind of a lot to explain and its definitely a rebuke like Job got. maybe more severe. probably more severe. I suspect a couple other times i have entertained angels unawares. i cant prove it. if something is not clear ask me. it was a long time ago and sometimes when people ask questions it brings something back to memory. I know from scripture that angels are nothing to mess around with, and that they are warriors. When you said how to talk to angels, I was taking it to mean that the Lord had revealed a way to get in touch with angels. I suppose I made that connection because we were speaking of the language of angels. If I understand you right, you were saying God warned you not to anger angelic beings through scriptures before he allowed you to speak with an angel?
I think I may already know the answer, but my follow up question would be, if you desired to speak to an angel, could you do it, or is that something that only occurs when the Lord wants it to happen for a special reason?
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Post by John on Dec 26, 2018 4:32:44 GMT -5
Just be careful . we never want to worship angels in any way . never pray to them . just remember that . pray ONLY to GOD . I agree. We know that John started to bow down and worship and angel, and he was rebuked for doing so. We are to bring our petitions to God, not angels.
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 26, 2018 5:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 26, 2018 8:44:00 GMT -5
Here is that sentence in context:
Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil. Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few. For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words. When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands? For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God. — Ecclesiastes 5:1-7
This is advising us to be careful about making boasts or promises before God that we can’t live up to.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 26, 2018 8:51:55 GMT -5
I do feel the need to add a bit of balance here, not to oppose Cletus, but to add to what he’s saying. Angels are servants of God who come to us with tasks or messages from His throne. They won’t harm us to satisfy their ego just because we’re a bit obtuse. Many people in Scripture questioned angels, almost to the point of arguing, and the angels didn’t attack them for it. We don’t have to fear angels like they’re some sort of overlord species.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 26, 2018 11:46:33 GMT -5
I think giller asked a real GOOD question . we keep hearing of the increase of angels appearing , sightings with messages specially in these days . On that note , remember that deceptions will get real bad in the last days . So let us remember what paul once said , if even we , an angel or any preaches any other gospel unto that than what you received , let em be accursed . A few years back their were a lot of sightings , and the rather odd thing was the angels seemed to be focused on UNITY and a collective salvation . OOOOOPS , wrong GOSPLE .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 26, 2018 11:50:13 GMT -5
We better test all things any spirit man or whatever has to say . Cause its only going to get far worse and far more deceptive in the days ahead . Remember the person who wrote that book the shung , I mean shack . Rather odd that god spoke a bit on a colletive salvation . THAT WASNT GOD that appeared to that person . And I bet you all can figure out what two words I put together for that book the shack , when I called it shung . Just think of a word that rhymes and starts with D .
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 26, 2018 12:43:47 GMT -5
I will say one thing here in absolute agreement with both Cletus and Frienduff. Flighty visions of an angel like a superhero doing marvelous deeds (or bringing spurious gospel doctrines) are foolish. Scripture tells me, and personal experience has shown me, that angels are indeed very businesslike, task-oriented, and abrupt. They convey to you exactly what you need to know, not one word extra, and they give no heed to themselves. If an angel tells you more about himself than he tells you about Jesus, he didn’t come from God’s throne. If he does a deed that seems really cool but won’t actually grow fruit, he wasn’t sent by God.
We don’t have angelic encounters for the sake of entertainment, nor for the sake of “evolving” the gospel. Angelic encounters minister to us in practical ways as we draw ever closer to Jesus.
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Post by Cletus on Dec 26, 2018 15:38:42 GMT -5
off the top of my head i can think of twice when i have heard an angel speak. angels are not like the pictures you see where they are happy walking on clouds, no they are serious business. If they are like that I have never seen that side of them. yes they are messengers... but they are also warriors. i looked for the scripture i spoke of and i do not remember it verbatim so its kinda hard to find. it says something about not being rude to angels because they can tear you to pieces. the first time I just heard an angel speak. I was dying and needed surgery... I heard him speak, get up, get up if you want to live. the voice was not gentle. it was stern. the next time is when God showed me the verse and with in a week I spoke with one. I do not remember everything said. this time i was being corrected. When the angel spoke there was no question of who it was, i just knew it was an angel. what i really remember was one question he asked me... do you know why The LORD delivers people? (He sounded upset with me) i said no. He said because they are addicted. there was another scripture God had shown me about the walls of your understanding... i do not remember it or where it is but in my minds eye when the angel said that i saw walls get knocked down. and it was bright, and i understood addicted means that nothing you can do in your power will get you to stop. like the pictures you see of a smoker with cancer on a breathing machine smoking a cigarette. totally in bondage. well i was addicted. God delivered me and I backslid. The angel poured something over me and then whoomf... was gone and he was moving so fast he was in the stars before you could blink. I never saw Him, but i did see streaks of light as he left. then God came and spoke to me. I do not like to talk about that unless there is a reason. its kind of a lot to explain and its definitely a rebuke like Job got. maybe more severe. probably more severe. I suspect a couple other times i have entertained angels unawares. i cant prove it. if something is not clear ask me. it was a long time ago and sometimes when people ask questions it brings something back to memory. I know from scripture that angels are nothing to mess around with, and that they are warriors. When you said how to talk to angels, I was taking it to mean that the Lord had revealed a way to get in touch with angels. I suppose I made that connection because we were speaking of the language of angels. If I understand you right, you were saying God warned you not to anger angelic beings through scriptures before he allowed you to speak with an angel?
I think I may already know the answer, but my follow up question would be, if you desired to speak to an angel, could you do it, or is that something that only occurs when the Lord wants it to happen for a special reason?
Yes, to speak to them with respect not a way you can just talk to them any time you want. that would be witchcraft. I was actually visited, and angels are not omnipresent. to my understanding an angels job is to carry out Gods will... not to converse with people when they feel like having a chat. A messenger will deliver a message. A messenger of A King is going to be about the kingdom and following orders. God sends an angel, and a messenger does not have a message of their own.
I am glad you brought that out as so people would not think its some kind of mystical magical goopity-gop about talking to angels. I have actually seen witchcraft books that claimed to be for "good" witches doing "white magic" and it was about angels, and calling on them and these books were in a regular book store. its the same devils, the same angels that fell but disguising themselves as beings of light. any angel that is sent from God is not going to accept any form of worship or prayer. if they did just imagine what effect that would have between them and God... and there is no Savior for angels. no one died for them.
When God showed me that scripture it was my understanding that if you are disrespectful to an angel and they did rip you to pieces, God would not be angered at them for doing so. and why would He? you just insulted The One that sent the message. its being disrespectful to God and His kingdom, throne, authority, etc.
there is no oh i feel like conversing with an angel today and chatting it up... they come when sent.
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